On Wed, 25 Jun 2014 19:31:06 +0100, Paul Corfield
wrote:
I understand your "weariness" about ITSO but I do get a sense we are
on the final run in to some people being able to use ITSO spec cards
on the TfL estate.

Just in time for me to abandon my Oyster in favour of my credit card.

I still think NR would have been better spending the money on barcode
readers.

Neil

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"Paul Corfield" wrote in message
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On Wed, 25 Jun 2014 23:00:36 +0100, "
wrote:

What are the plans for expanding contactless into other cities or
further afield on NR?

I think the Rail Delivery Group are considering the technology but
beyond that I don't know. I am not aware that any of the city regions
are considering contactless bank cards - they're all struggling to get
ITSO based schemes into service.

The only other scheme was First Group's move into smartcards for its
buses - that scheme was based on bank card acceptance first plus ITSO
for concessionary tickets. However progress has been very slow and I
don't know if they even have a trial area operating.

What is odd is that the technology should be very straightforward
given there are known standards and a competitive supplier base.


But the savings are not there for a rural bus service.

Unless you have flat fares, you either have to have a card on/card off
system (which I suspect will drive punters away from using it) or you still
have the "negotiate the correct fare with the driver" part of the
transaction. If you still have that wasted 45 seconds in the transaction
the 2 second saving made from paying by contactless card is not worth having

tim

"Scott" wrote in message
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On Tue, 24 Jun 2014 20:48:45 +0100, (Mark Bestley)
wrote:

Scott wrote:

On Tue, 24 Jun 2014 12:18:07 -0700 (PDT), CJB
wrote:

From RISKS-LIST: Risks-Forum Digest Tuesday 24 June 2014 Volume 28 :
Issue 04

Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2014 19:41:13 +0100 From: Wm redacted

Subject: London transport authority acknowledges contactless technology
risk

How many organisations have warned users of their cards about the risks
vs how many have been discovered and reported ?

I was checking the balance on my Oyster card [1] on-line and noticed
this:

http://tfl.gov.uk/fares-and-payments...ter/card-clash

= = = =

Card clash

Keeping your Oyster card in your wallet or purse with other cards could
cause card clash.


This all looks like commonsense to me - and I only visit the capital
occasionally.

Yes but I currently have one holder for all cards - who will pay for the
extra holders I need now?

I thought Oyster card holders were issued free of charge.

you can't put you non-Oyster card in an Oyster wallet. You'd never know
which was which

tim

"Tony Dragon" wrote in message
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On 25/06/2014 15:30, Steve Fitzgerald wrote:
In message , Tony Dragon
writes

The Freedom Pass also can clash (error 94 on the reader)

That's (very) rarely a clash but a mis-read when someone waves their
card about and expected the reader to magically read it. Freedom pass
users are one of the worst offenders at this but not unique.

A proper CPC clash is 70 or 71 which is reporting it's detected 2 cards
or a read error.

Those more observant of you may have noticed that recently the UTS gates
have had a software upgrade and many of these codes now report a 'plain
text' translation of the error code on the second text line.

Lets see, Freedom Pass in wallet, Debit Card in wallet, gates don't open.
Remove either, gates open.

That is, of course, the solution that the punter wants

It isn't the solution that the operator wants :-(

tim

On Thursday, 26 June 2014 00:55:51 UTC+1, Paul Corfield wrote:
On Wed, 25 Jun 2014 23:00:36 +0100, "

wrote:



What are the plans for expanding contactless into other cities or

further afield on NR?



I think the Rail Delivery Group are considering the technology but

beyond that I don't know. I am not aware that any of the city regions

are considering contactless bank cards - they're all struggling to get

ITSO based schemes into service.




GMPTE is the only other area that I know of that is planning to introduce CPC.

http://www.getmethere.com/about-getm...p#a-card-types

On Wednesday, 25 June 2014 23:03:14 UTC+1, wrote:
On 25/06/2014 15:30, Steve Fitzgerald wrote:

In message , Tony Dragon

writes



The Freedom Pass also can clash (error 94 on the reader)



That's (very) rarely a clash but a mis-read when someone waves their

card about and expected the reader to magically read it. Freedom pass

users are one of the worst offenders at this but not unique.



A proper CPC clash is 70 or 71 which is reporting it's detected 2 cards

or a read error.



Those more observant of you may have noticed that recently the UTS gates

have had a software upgrade and many of these codes now report a 'plain

text' translation of the error code on the second text line.



What does Error 80 mean, BTW? That is the code that I have experienced

once or twice on the Contactless pilot programme.

Code 80 is "Card not approved by issuer"

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/reque...%20request.pdf

TfL say "Advise the customer to sign in to their online account to resolve the issue. They may also need to contact their card issuer
Note: When an issue is resolved and the card is re-approved for travel, it can take up to 30 minutes for all readers across the network to be updated. Until then, the card could be rejected by the readers. Customers should be advised to use a different payment method (such as an Oyster card, pay cash fare or another contactless payment card) if they want to travel immediately"

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/reque...ing%20No.2.pdf

In article ,
(Paul Corfield) wrote:

On Wed, 25 Jun 2014 23:00:36 +0100, "
wrote:

What are the plans for expanding contactless into other cities or
further afield on NR?

I think the Rail Delivery Group are considering the technology but
beyond that I don't know. I am not aware that any of the city regions
are considering contactless bank cards - they're all struggling to get
ITSO based schemes into service.

The only other scheme was First Group's move into smartcards for its
buses - that scheme was based on bank card acceptance first plus ITSO
for concessionary tickets. However progress has been very slow and I
don't know if they even have a trial area operating.

What is odd is that the technology should be very straightforward
given there are known standards and a competitive supplier base. There
must be horrendous issues with company processes, security and
deployment issues given how incredibly slow the progress is with so
many schemes - even when only in one company. Multi operator schemes
in deregulated areas will always be hard as no one can force the bus
companies to take part and there's always the issue of "who pays?".

Except for ITSO concession cards. Stagecoach have implemented limited
smartcard facilities and handle bus passes automatically, as do Whippet
round here.

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Colin Rosenstiel

In message , at 11:17:55 on Thu, 26
Jun 2014, tim..... remarked:
I thought Oyster card holders were issued free of charge.

you can't put you non-Oyster card in an Oyster wallet. You'd never
know which was which

Never heard of marker pens?
--
Roland Perry

In message , at 05:54:10
on Thu, 26 Jun 2014, remarked:

Stagecoach have implemented limited smartcard facilities and handle bus
passes automatically,

That's the Stagecoach whose ITSO cards for SWT, EMT and Cambridgeshire
buses are in no way interoperable?

as do Whippet round here.

Whippet *and* Whippet, surely.
--
Roland Perry

you can't put you non-Oyster card in an Oyster wallet. You'd never
know which was which

Never heard of marker pens?

I have two Oyster wallets with different designs.