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This Sunday, for the C-stock railtour:
Train 07:32 Cambridge [CBG] London Liverpool St [LST] 08:43 Walk 08:58 London L'pool St [LST] London Fenchurch St [FST] 09:02 Train 09:10 London Fenchurch St [FST] Limehouse [LHS] 09:14 Tube&DLR 09:19 Limehouse [LHS] Moorgate [MOG] 09:35 Alternatively: Train 07:28 Cambridge [CBG] * Finsbury Park [FPK] 08:22 Tube 08:27 Finsbury Park [FPK] Highbury & Islington [HHY] 08:45 Train 08:51 Highbury & Islington [HHY] Shadwell [SDE] 09:06 Tube&DLR 09:11 Shadwell [SDE] Moorgate [MOG] 09:25 Does this indicate that the normal service on the Circle/H&C is suspended, otherwise why wouldn't they just show connecting trains from LST/KGX to MOG? * Train to Kings Cross. -- Roland Perry |
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Thu, 26 Jun 2014, Paul Corfield remarked: This Sunday, for the C-stock railtour: Train 07:32 Cambridge [CBG] London Liverpool St [LST] 08:43 Walk 08:58 London L'pool St [LST] London Fenchurch St [FST] 09:02 Train 09:10 London Fenchurch St [FST] Limehouse [LHS] 09:14 Tube&DLR 09:19 Limehouse [LHS] Moorgate [MOG] 09:35 Alternatively: Train 07:28 Cambridge [CBG] * Finsbury Park [FPK] 08:22 Tube 08:27 Finsbury Park [FPK] Highbury & Islington [HHY] 08:45 Train 08:51 Highbury & Islington [HHY] Shadwell [SDE] 09:06 Tube&DLR 09:11 Shadwell [SDE] Moorgate [MOG] 09:25 Does this indicate that the normal service on the Circle/H&C is suspended, otherwise why wouldn't they just show connecting trains from LST/KGX to MOG? * Train to Kings Cross. I suspect it has got its knickers in a twist. The TfL weekly E mail does not say there is any engineering work on the tube on the Sub Surface lines through Kings Cross. Only the Met is affected out at Amersham which has no relevance to your journey. The Picc and Vic are not affected through F Park. However there is a reduced National Rail service between F Park and KX on Sunday That's the Thameslink junction commissioning again I suppose. The obvious suggestion is LST and walk (it's half as far as Fenchurch St!) Actually, the 4 mins LST-FST is completely wrong, it's 11 minutes. and Thameslink also seems to be suspended across the central area. It looks like Journey Planner is trying v hard to send you via National Rail lines and only resorting to the tube as a last resort. Not really, the second route has only one National Rail leg versus three TFL, in London. Of course, an even sillier thing is that it says you can do those trips using just one ticket (Cambridge to London Terminals), which I very much doubt. -- Roland Perry |
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"Roland Perry" wrote in message
... This Sunday, for the C-stock railtour: Train 07:32 Cambridge [CBG] London Liverpool St [LST] 08:43 Walk 08:58 London L'pool St [LST] London Fenchurch St [FST] 09:02 Train 09:10 London Fenchurch St [FST] Limehouse [LHS] 09:14 Tube&DLR 09:19 Limehouse [LHS] Moorgate [MOG] 09:35 Alternatively: Train 07:28 Cambridge [CBG] * Finsbury Park [FPK] 08:22 Tube 08:27 Finsbury Park [FPK] Highbury & Islington [HHY] 08:45 Train 08:51 Highbury & Islington [HHY] Shadwell [SDE] 09:06 Tube&DLR 09:11 Shadwell [SDE] Moorgate [MOG] 09:25 Does this indicate that the normal service on the Circle/H&C is suspended, otherwise why wouldn't they just show connecting trains from LST/KGX to MOG? * Train to Kings Cross. -- Roland Perry Yet another pointless attempt to break the system. Any normal traveller uses the journey planner to find train times from Cambridge to London, sees the best option is to Kings Cross, and checks a tube map to see that from there it is 3 stops to Moorgate (Northern or Met/Circle as you prefer). If you want more info TfL's planner tells you its 6 minutes either route and fine on Sunday. |
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In article , (Roland Perry)
wrote: In message , at 12:03:25 on Thu, 26 Jun 2014, remarked: This Sunday, for the C-stock railtour: Which journey planner? Train 07:32 Cambridge [CBG] London Liverpool St [LST] 08:43 Walk 08:58 London L'pool St [LST] London Fenchurch St [FST] 09:02 Train 09:10 London Fenchurch St [FST] Limehouse [LHS] 09:14 Tube&DLR 09:19 Limehouse [LHS] Moorgate [MOG] 09:35 Alternatively: Train 07:28 Cambridge [CBG] * Finsbury Park [FPK] 08:22 Tube 08:27 Finsbury Park [FPK] Highbury & Islington [HHY] 08:45 Train 08:51 Highbury & Islington [HHY] Shadwell [SDE] 09:06 Tube&DLR 09:11 Shadwell [SDE] Moorgate [MOG] 09:25 Does this indicate that the normal service on the Circle/H&C is suspended, otherwise why wouldn't they just show connecting trains from LST/KGX to MOG? * Train to Kings Cross. Why not just walk from Liverpool St to Moorgate? I was going to. I will, but I'm boggled by the incompetence of the journey planner. Now I know it's NRE's I'm not. -- Colin Rosenstiel |
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In message , at 21:19:49 on Thu, 26 Jun
2014, MikeS remarked: "Roland Perry" wrote in message ... This Sunday, for the C-stock railtour: Train 07:32 Cambridge [CBG] London Liverpool St [LST] 08:43 Walk 08:58 London L'pool St [LST] London Fenchurch St [FST] 09:02 Train 09:10 London Fenchurch St [FST] Limehouse [LHS] 09:14 Tube&DLR 09:19 Limehouse [LHS] Moorgate [MOG] 09:35 Alternatively: Train 07:28 Cambridge [CBG] * Finsbury Park [FPK] 08:22 Tube 08:27 Finsbury Park [FPK] Highbury & Islington [HHY] 08:45 Train 08:51 Highbury & Islington [HHY] Shadwell [SDE] 09:06 Tube&DLR 09:11 Shadwell [SDE] Moorgate [MOG] 09:25 Does this indicate that the normal service on the Circle/H&C is suspended, otherwise why wouldn't they just show connecting trains from LST/KGX to MOG? * Train to Kings Cross. Yet another pointless attempt It's not pointless at all. I have a very specific journey to make at a rather inconvenient (for the timetabling) time of day. to break the system. There's absolutely no reason why such a simply journey should break it. Any normal traveller uses the journey planner to find train times from Cambridge to London, Two searches, because NRES doesn't do "London Terminals". sees the best option is to Kings Cross, It's using services very early on a Sunday when not only are there no trains yet out of bed at my home station (Ely), but it's not at all obvious which route will be the best to London from Cambridge [partly due to ongoing engineering works just outside Kings Cross]. and checks a tube map to see that from there it is 3 stops to Moorgate (Northern or Met/Circle as you prefer). Except it might be better (if the train times lined up) to change at Tottenham Hale. This isn't the middle of a weekday with a choice of trains every fifteen minutes[1] and in effect a turn-up-and-go service; it's a collection of stoppers about an hour apart and one missed connection could throw the whole day's outing into chaos. If you want more info TfL's planner tells you its 6 minutes either route and fine on Sunday. What's wrong with expecting the official one-stop-shop journey planner to give me the right answer? [1] From Cambridge. But there are from Stansted Airport, even that hour on a Sunday; so it's quite possible the best route into London will involve one of those. -- Roland Perry |
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Roland Perry wrote on 27 June 2014 09:44:42 ...
In message , at 17:13:15 on Thu, 26 Jun 2014, remarked: I can't reproduce your lot, even with the TfL Journey Planner, Roland. it offers the 0728 to the Cross, then H&C/Circle/Met or the 0732 to LST and walk. NRES, yesterday, and still doing it today. Oh I see. I gave up on NRES years ago. I didn't think the TfL journey planner would stretch out as far as Cambridge (well, Ely really, I'm only starting in Cambridge because the Sunday service from Ely has let me down). The TfL journey planner will handle Ely. Just enter From "Ely", station or stop in "Ely". -- Richard J. (to email me, swap 'uk' and 'yon' in address) |
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In message , at 10:48:33 on Fri, 27
Jun 2014, Richard J. remarked: I didn't think the TfL journey planner would stretch out as far as Cambridge (well, Ely really, I'm only starting in Cambridge because the Sunday service from Ely has let me down). The TfL journey planner will handle Ely. Just enter From "Ely", station or stop in "Ely". Good grief. I'd have tried "in... Cambs". Got nothing, and assumed it didn't go out that far. There's something about the way the TfL planner works that I simply don't get on with (see recent discussion about typing in "Kings Cross" and being offered things like Kingsbury/Blackbird Cross). -- Roland Perry |
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wrote: In message , at 17:13:15 on Thu, 26 Jun 2014, remarked: I can't reproduce your lot, even with the TfL Journey Planner, Roland. it offers the 0728 to the Cross, then H&C/Circle/Met or the 0732 to LST and walk. NRES, yesterday, and still doing it today. Oh I see. I gave up on NRES years ago. I didn't think the TfL journey planner would stretch out as far as Cambridge (well, Ely really, I'm only starting in Cambridge because the Sunday service from Ely has let me down). Neither did I but I guessed you might have used it and therefore tried it and surprised myself (and you too no doubt). -- Colin Rosenstiel |
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wrote in message ... In article , (Roland Perry) wrote: In message , at 17:13:15 on Thu, 26 Jun 2014, remarked: I can't reproduce your lot, even with the TfL Journey Planner, Roland. it offers the 0728 to the Cross, then H&C/Circle/Met or the 0732 to LST and walk. NRES, yesterday, and still doing it today. Oh I see. I gave up on NRES years ago. I didn't think the TfL journey planner would stretch out as far as Cambridge (well, Ely really, I'm only starting in Cambridge because the Sunday service from Ely has let me down). Neither did I but I guessed you might have used it and therefore tried it and surprised myself (and you too no doubt). It always used to surprise me that you could buy tickets from Underground TO to places, like Cambridge, well outside of London based upon there being "barrier" free interchange at Finsbury Park [1] tim [1] Or there was at the time, if there isn't now - it's ages since I actually stood on the platform there -- Colin Rosenstiel |
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In message , at 13:44:13 on Fri, 27
Jun 2014, tim..... remarked: I didn't think the TfL journey planner would stretch out as far as Cambridge (well, Ely really, I'm only starting in Cambridge because the Sunday service from Ely has let me down). Neither did I but I guessed you might have used it and therefore tried it and surprised myself (and you too no doubt). It always used to surprise me that you could buy tickets from Underground TO to places, like Cambridge, well outside of London based upon there being "barrier" free interchange at Finsbury Park [1] I always took that for granted, having grown up in the 60's living in Chelmsford and being able to buy a ticket to there, from a London Underground station. I don't know to what extent that was a result of the cross-platform interchange at Stratford, or whether it was a more general capability. -- Roland Perry |
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on Fri, 27 Jun 2014, remarked: It always used to surprise me that you could buy tickets from Underground TO to places, like Cambridge, well outside of London based upon there being "barrier" free interchange at Finsbury Park [1] .... Gone now, on FCC at least. The barrier free interchange, or the through ticketing? -- Roland Perry |
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In article , (Roland Perry)
wrote: In message , at 09:26:20 on Fri, 27 Jun 2014, remarked: It always used to surprise me that you could buy tickets from Underground TO to places, like Cambridge, well outside of London based upon there being "barrier" free interchange at Finsbury Park [1] ... Gone now, on FCC at least. The barrier free interchange, or the through ticketing? The barrier-free interchange I know. The ticketing I can't comment on though I thought all or most through tickets from LU to NR destinations had ended? -- Colin Rosenstiel |
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wrote on 27 June 2014 11:51:33 ...
In article , (Roland Perry) wrote: In message , at 10:48:33 on Fri, 27 Jun 2014, Richard J. remarked: I didn't think the TfL journey planner would stretch out as far as Cambridge (well, Ely really, I'm only starting in Cambridge because the Sunday service from Ely has let me down). The TfL journey planner will handle Ely. Just enter From "Ely", station or stop in "Ely". Good grief. I'd have tried "in... Cambs". Got nothing, and assumed it didn't go out that far. There's something about the way the TfL planner works that I simply don't get on with (see recent discussion about typing in "Kings Cross" and being offered things like Kingsbury/Blackbird Cross). I know what you mean. I still haven't worked out what to type it to stop it asking me if I mean Caledonian Road or something. It does expect you to spell things properly. Type King's Cross. The lack of an apostrophe is your problem. The new Journey Planner interface at http://www.tfl.gov.uk/plan-a-journey/ is much better in this regard. You have only to type Kin and you get options that include King's Cross Rail Station and King's Cross St Pancras. -- Richard J. (to email me, swap 'uk' and 'yon' in address) |
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wrote in message ... In article , (Roland Perry) wrote: In message , at 09:26:20 on Fri, 27 Jun 2014, remarked: It always used to surprise me that you could buy tickets from Underground TO to places, like Cambridge, well outside of London based upon there being "barrier" free interchange at Finsbury Park [1] ... Gone now, on FCC at least. The barrier free interchange, or the through ticketing? The barrier-free interchange I know. The ticketing I can't comment on though I thought all or most through tickets from LU to NR destinations had ended? The point will be moot when the TOs shut I'm pretty certain that you can't buy them at the Machines tim -- Colin Rosenstiel |
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"Roland Perry" wrote in message ... In message , at 09:26:20 on Fri, 27 Jun 2014, remarked: It always used to surprise me that you could buy tickets from Underground TO to places, like Cambridge, well outside of London based upon there being "barrier" free interchange at Finsbury Park [1] ... Gone now, on FCC at least. The barrier free interchange, Oh how stupid of me The barrier free access of which I speak was from the Moorgate-FP shuttle which IIRC ran into the ground level platforms? So in theory it's still there, but it's no longer a tube line tim |
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(tim.....) wrote: wrote in message ... In article , (Roland Perry) wrote: In message , at 09:26:20 on Fri, 27 Jun 2014, remarked: It always used to surprise me that you could buy tickets from Underground TO to places, like Cambridge, well outside of London based upon there being "barrier" free interchange at Finsbury Park [1] ... Gone now, on FCC at least. The barrier free interchange, or the through ticketing? The barrier-free interchange I know. The ticketing I can't comment on though I thought all or most through tickets from LU to NR destinations had ended? The point will be moot when the TOs shut I'm pretty certain that you can't buy them at the Machines Not even close to interchanges, e.g. Wimbledon Park to local SWT stations? -- Colin Rosenstiel |
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(Richard J.) wrote: wrote on 27 June 2014 11:51:33 ... In article , (Roland Perry) wrote: In message , at 10:48:33 on Fri, 27 Jun 2014, Richard J. remarked: I didn't think the TfL journey planner would stretch out as far as Cambridge (well, Ely really, I'm only starting in Cambridge because the Sunday service from Ely has let me down). The TfL journey planner will handle Ely. Just enter From "Ely", station or stop in "Ely". Good grief. I'd have tried "in... Cambs". Got nothing, and assumed it didn't go out that far. There's something about the way the TfL planner works that I simply don't get on with (see recent discussion about typing in "Kings Cross" and being offered things like Kingsbury/Blackbird Cross). I know what you mean. I still haven't worked out what to type it to stop it asking me if I mean Caledonian Road or something. It does expect you to spell things properly. Type King's Cross. The lack of an apostrophe is your problem. Did that. The new Journey Planner interface at http://www.tfl.gov.uk/plan-a-journey/ is much better in this regard. You have only to type Kin and you get options that include King's Cross Rail Station and King's Cross St Pancras. Yes and no. I had the old planner still bookmarked and it still comes up with the same nonsense. Trying the new planner, it does as you say for King's Cross but when I put in "Moorgate", it accepted it and then asked to choose between 5 alternatives. So it's still rubbish. -- Colin Rosenstiel |
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(tim.....) wrote: "Roland Perry" wrote in message ... In message , at 09:26:20 on Fri, 27 Jun 2014, remarked: It always used to surprise me that you could buy tickets from Underground TO to places, like Cambridge, well outside of London based upon there being "barrier" free interchange at Finsbury Park [1] ... Gone now, on FCC at least. The barrier free interchange, Oh how stupid of me The barrier free access of which I speak was from the Moorgate-FP shuttle which IIRC ran into the ground level platforms? So in theory it's still there, but it's no longer a tube line Of course! Yes, there is still barrier-free access between deep-level platforms at Highbury & Islington. -- Colin Rosenstiel |
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"Roland Perry" wrote in message ... In message , at 21:19:49 on Thu, 26 Jun 2014, MikeS remarked: "Roland Perry" wrote in message ... SNIP What's wrong with expecting the official one-stop-shop journey planner to give me the right answer? -- Roland Perry The National Rail Enquiries journey planner mostly works fine for rail journies through London requiring a tube connection between two national rail stations. It rarely gives the easiest (or even a sensible) route if you specify a national rail destination in London for which the best option is a rail journey to another rail station followed by the tube. I have no idea if this is a fault or by design (assuming that if you specify a national rail destination you want to arrive at it by national rail). I have never expected to use it in the way you describe any more than I would expect it to tell me the correct use of a bus in some other city when completing a journey by national rail is possible but not a sensible option. |
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() wrote: In article , (Richard J.) wrote: The new Journey Planner interface at http://www.tfl.gov.uk/plan-a-journey/ is much better in this regard. You have only to type Kin and you get options that include King's Cross Rail Station and King's Cross St Pancras. Yes and no. I had the old planner still bookmarked and it still comes up with the same nonsense. Trying the new planner, it does as you say for King's Cross but when I put in "Moorgate", it accepted it and then asked to choose between 5 alternatives. So it's still rubbish. I also notice that the old planner won't cover National Rail outside London like Cambridge, while the old one does. -- Colin Rosenstiel |
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In article , () wrote: In article , (Richard J.) wrote: The new Journey Planner interface at http://www.tfl.gov.uk/plan-a-journey/ is much better in this regard. You have only to type Kin and you get options that include King's Cross Rail Station and King's Cross St Pancras. Yes and no. I had the old planner still bookmarked and it still comes up with the same nonsense. Trying the new planner, it does as you say for King's Cross but when I put in "Moorgate", it accepted it and then asked to choose between 5 alternatives. So it's still rubbish. I also notice that the old planner won't cover National Rail outside London like Cambridge, while the old one does. Er, which does? |
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() wrote: In article , () wrote: In article , (Richard J.) wrote: The new Journey Planner interface at http://www.tfl.gov.uk/plan-a-journey/ is much better in this regard. You have only to type Kin and you get options that include King's Cross Rail Station and King's Cross St Pancras. Yes and no. I had the old planner still bookmarked and it still comes up with the same nonsense. Trying the new planner, it does as you say for King's Cross but when I put in "Moorgate", it accepted it and then asked to choose between 5 alternatives. So it's still rubbish. Oops! new of course I also notice that the old planner won't cover National Rail outside ^ London like Cambridge, while the old one does. In fact the /new/ planner does get places outside London but you have to persuade it to offer the option. -- Colin Rosenstiel |
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, (Recliner) wrote: wrote: In article , () wrote: In article , (Richard J.) wrote: The new Journey Planner interface at http://www.tfl.gov.uk/plan-a-journey/ is much better in this regard. You have only to type Kin and you get options that include King's Cross Rail Station and King's Cross St Pancras. Yes and no. I had the old planner still bookmarked and it still comes up with the same nonsense. Trying the new planner, it does as you say for King's Cross but when I put in "Moorgate", it accepted it and then asked to choose between 5 alternatives. So it's still rubbish. I also notice that the old planner won't cover National Rail outside London like Cambridge, while the old one does. Er, which does? Sorry, my typo which I have updated separately. I was wrong anyway. -- Colin Rosenstiel |
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In message of Fri, 27 Jun 2014 09:44:42
in uk.transport.london, Roland Perry writes In message , at 17:13:15 on Thu, 26 Jun 2014, remarked: I can't reproduce your lot, even with the TfL Journey Planner, Roland. it offers the 0728 to the Cross, then H&C/Circle/Met or the 0732 to LST and walk. NRES, yesterday, and still doing it today. Oh I see. I gave up on NRES years ago. I didn't think the TfL journey planner would stretch out as far as Cambridge (well, Ely really, I'm only starting in Cambridge because the Sunday service from Ely has let me down). The boundaries of TfL journey planners are not well defined. When I flag issues to Customer Services, they take a practical "Who Cares?" attitude and technical people are protected from this perverse user. Glasgow Central Rail Station sometimes works. (Enter that datum and clear "Station or stop in ..." for it to do so, today. I have just constructed the following URL: http://journeyplanner.tfl.gov.uk/use...language=en&se ssionID=0&ptOptionsActive=-1&type_destination=stop&name_destination=Camb ridge Rail Stationl&type_origin=stop&name_origin=Oval The journey Planner gives 3 alternative names. Selecting "Cambridge Rail Station" returns plausible data. Much nearer to home, I can't get Oval - Radlett to work. ;) http://journeyplanner.tfl.gov.uk/use...language=en&se ssionID=0&ptOptionsActive=-1&type_destination=stop&name_destination=Moor gate&type_origin=stop&name_origin=Ely, Ely Rail Station works. Howwever "Ely, Ely Rail Station" is transformed to "Ely Rail Station" on editing and that does not work. To make it work by typing in a browser, 1) in From, enter "Ely, Ely Rail Station" and clear London or 2) use "Ely Rail Station" and "Ely (Cambs)". That (Cambs) is needed. ;) I hope C stock travellers have a companionable day. I should have offered coffee at my MGT gaff to UTL contributors. ;( -- Walter Briscoe |
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In message , at 21:35:41 on Fri, 27 Jun
2014, MikeS remarked: The National Rail Enquiries journey planner mostly works fine for rail journies through London requiring a tube connection between two national rail stations. It rarely gives the easiest (or even a sensible) route if you specify a national rail destination in London for which the best option is a rail journey to another rail station followed by the tube. If you ask it for trips from Stansted Airport to Kings Cross it will default to a train plus change to the tube at Tottenham Hale. Or Cambridge to Liverpool St where two of the hourly suggestions is to go via Kings Cross and tube. And I'm familiar with both of these appearing in results. On a weekday it happily suggests Cambridge-Moorgate via a change at Finsbury Park, but the latter NR service doesn't run on Sundays. I have no idea if this is a fault or by design (assuming that if you specify a national rail destination you want to arrive at it by national rail). The problem with my Sunday journey to Moorgate might be the existence of "Moorgate Und 0645 ZMG" in addition to "Moorgate 6005 MOG", and unfortunately the NRES planner doesn't recognise the former as a destination. Which I suspect is a fault rather than 'design'. Especially given the alleged inter-availability of "London Terminals" tickets to Moorgate on both NR and on the Circle. I have never expected to use it in the way you describe any more than I would expect it to tell me the correct use of a bus in some other city when completing a journey by national rail is possible but not a sensible option. Despite your misgivings, it does have numerous tube-only destinations available. Try Holborn for example: Train 10:15 Cambridge [CBG] London Kings Cross [KGX] 11:05 Tube 11:20 London Kings Cross [KGX] Holborn London Und 11:24 -- Roland Perry |
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"Roland Perry" wrote in message ... In message , at 21:35:41 on Fri, 27 Jun 2014, MikeS remarked: SNIP. Despite your misgivings, it does have numerous tube-only destinations available. Try Holborn for example: Train 10:15 Cambridge [CBG] London Kings Cross [KGX] 11:05 Tube 11:20 London Kings Cross [KGX] Holborn London Und 11:24 -- Roland Perry As already explained the problems mostly arise when you specify a final destination which has *both* tube and national rail services - as in your original complaint about the suggested routes to Moorgate. It always pays to think (and read) before you post ... |
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In message , at 12:45:03 on Sat, 28 Jun
2014, MikeS remarked: Despite your misgivings, it does have numerous tube-only destinations available. Try Holborn for example: Train 10:15 Cambridge [CBG] London Kings Cross [KGX] 11:05 Tube 11:20 London Kings Cross [KGX] Holborn London Und 11:24 As already explained the problems mostly arise when you specify a final destination which has *both* tube and national rail services - as in your original complaint about the suggested routes to Moorgate. It always pays to think (and read) before you post ... Take your own advice: remember what I said about Cambridge-Liverpool St via Kings Cross and Stansted-Kings Cross via Tottenham Hale. -- Roland Perry |
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Walter Briscoe wrote:
In message of Fri, 27 Jun 2014 09:44:42 in uk.transport.london, Roland Perry writes In message , at 17:13:15 on Thu, 26 Jun 2014, remarked: I can't reproduce your lot, even with the TfL Journey Planner, Roland. it offers the 0728 to the Cross, then H&C/Circle/Met or the 0732 to LST and walk. NRES, yesterday, and still doing it today. Oh I see. I gave up on NRES years ago. I didn't think the TfL journey planner would stretch out as far as Cambridge (well, Ely really, I'm only starting in Cambridge because the Sunday service from Ely has let me down). The boundaries of TfL journey planners are not well defined. When I flag issues to Customer Services, they take a practical "Who Cares?" attitude and technical people are protected from this perverse user. Glasgow Central Rail Station sometimes works. (Enter that datum and clear "Station or stop in ..." for it to do so, today. I have just constructed the following URL: http://journeyplanner.tfl.gov.uk/use...language=en&se ssionID=0&ptOptionsActive=-1&type_destination=stop&name_destination=Camb ridge Rail Stationl&type_origin=stop&name_origin=Oval The journey Planner gives 3 alternative names. Selecting "Cambridge Rail Station" returns plausible data. Much nearer to home, I can't get Oval - Radlett to work. ;) http://journeyplanner.tfl.gov.uk/use...language=en&se ssionID=0&ptOptionsActive=-1&type_destination=stop&name_destination=Moor gate&type_origin=stop&name_origin=Ely, Ely Rail Station works. Howwever "Ely, Ely Rail Station" is transformed to "Ely Rail Station" on editing and that does not work. To make it work by typing in a browser, 1) in From, enter "Ely, Ely Rail Station" and clear London or 2) use "Ely Rail Station" and "Ely (Cambs)". That (Cambs) is needed. ;) I hope C stock travellers have a companionable day. I should have offered coffee at my MGT gaff to UTL contributors. ;( It's German software, isn't it? Presumably it's database driven, and perhaps not many people in TfL know what's in the database. |
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I just tried using the new journey planner again for a journey to 1 Birdcage
Walk one morning next week. It insists I go via St James's Park, one stop further on the District and Circle lines than Westminster but estimates the walking distance (fast walking) as 7 minutes from St James's Park and 5 minutes from Westminster! WTF? -- Colin Rosenstiel |
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I just tried using the new journey planner again for a journey to 1 Birdcage Walk one morning next week. It insists I go via St James's Park, one stop further on the District and Circle lines than Westminster but estimates the walking distance (fast walking) as 7 minutes from St James's Park and 5 minutes from Westminster! WTF? It thinks it's a nicer walk? |
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Journey planner having a fit - again
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In article , (Recliner) wrote: wrote: I just tried using the new journey planner again for a journey to 1 Birdcage Walk one morning next week. It insists I go via St James's Park, one stop further on the District and Circle lines than Westminster but estimates the walking distance (fast walking) as 7 minutes from St James's Park and 5 minutes from Westminster! WTF? It thinks it's a nicer walk? Not much in it. Neither are through the park! I should have added that if you ask for Westminster station to 1 Birdcage Walk it actually tells you to take the train to St James's Park (1 minute) then walk (7 minutes) and also tells me I can "Walk this in 5mins"! It's also step-free from Westminster, but not from St James's Park. Perhaps the Tube thinks people prefer to travel via its HQ? |
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