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No surprise: Crossrail to Tring proposal
From http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-28680186
Proposals to extend Crossrail to Hertfordshire are being considered by the government, the transport secretary is expected to announce later. Extending the service would reduce journey times between London and Hertfordshire by up to 16 minutes. At the Crossrail site at Farringdon in central London, Patrick McLoughlin is expected to outline the benefits of extending the link. Business groups in the area said an extension would drive economic growth. 'Long-term regeneration' Mr McLoughlin is expected to say the proposals would take the pressure off the Tube's busiest sections and make it easier to improve Euston, which will have 11 new platforms built under proposals for the HS2 high-speed rail project between London and the West Midlands. Under the plans, stations likely to get Crossrail services will include Tring, Hemel Hempstead, Watford Junction, Berkhamsted and Harrow and Wealdstone. Yolanda Rugg, chief executive officer at the Hertfordshire Chamber of Commerce, said the announcement would be "a catalyst to drive economic growth" in the area. "It will provide vital high-speed transport connectivity from London to the new Watford Health Campus, and to the financial and creative services sectors," she said. Journey times if Crossrail is extended to Hertfordshire • Tring to Liverpool Street - 57 minutes (a reduction of 13 minutes) • Watford Junction to Canary Wharf - 43 minutes (a reduction of 12 minutes) • Tring to Bond Street - 55 minutes - (a reduction of 16 minutes) • Watford Junction to Liverpool Street - 37 minutes (a reduction of 13 minutes) _____________ I must admit I'm surprised that this long-suggested idea hasn't been adopted much earlier. Instead of having some Crossrail services wastefully reverse at Paddington, it makes much more sense for them to take over some of the paths of LM stoppers into Euston. That will be good for many passengers and businesses and as the article states, take some of the pressure of Euston during the HS2 rebuild. |
No surprise: Crossrail to Tring proposal
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, at 03:00:30 on Thu, 7 Aug 2014, Recliner remarked: From http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-28680186 Proposals to extend Crossrail to Hertfordshire are being considered by the government, the transport secretary is expected to announce later. Extending the service would reduce journey times between London and Hertfordshire by up to 16 minutes. At the Crossrail site at Farringdon in central London, Patrick McLoughlin is expected to outline the benefits of extending the link. Business groups in the area said an extension would drive economic growth. 'Long-term regeneration' Mr McLoughlin is expected to say the proposals would take the pressure off the Tube's busiest sections and make it easier to improve Euston, which will have 11 new platforms built under proposals for the HS2 high-speed rail project between London and the West Midlands. Under the plans, stations likely to get Crossrail services will include Tring, Hemel Hempstead, Watford Junction, Berkhamsted and Harrow and Wealdstone. Yolanda Rugg, chief executive officer at the Hertfordshire Chamber of Commerce, said the announcement would be "a catalyst to drive economic growth" in the area. "It will provide vital high-speed transport connectivity from London to the new Watford Health Campus, and to the financial and creative services sectors," she said. Journey times if Crossrail is extended to Hertfordshire • Tring to Liverpool Street - 57 minutes (a reduction of 13 minutes) • Watford Junction to Canary Wharf - 43 minutes (a reduction of 12 minutes) • Tring to Bond Street - 55 minutes - (a reduction of 16 minutes) • Watford Junction to Liverpool Street - 37 minutes (a reduction of 13 minutes) _____________ I must admit I'm surprised that this long-suggested idea hasn't been adopted much earlier. Instead of having some Crossrail services wastefully reverse at Paddington, it makes much more sense for them to take over some of the paths of LM stoppers into Euston. That will be good for many passengers and businesses and as the article states, take some of the pressure of Euston during the HS2 rebuild. What route will they take west of Paddington, and does it involve any flat-crossings with the busy main line? -- Roland Perry |
No surprise: Crossrail to Tring proposal
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 03:00:30 on Thu, 7 Aug 2014, Recliner remarked: From http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-28680186 Proposals to extend Crossrail to Hertfordshire are being considered by the government, the transport secretary is expected to announce later. Extending the service would reduce journey times between London and Hertfordshire by up to 16 minutes. At the Crossrail site at Farringdon in central London, Patrick McLoughlin is expected to outline the benefits of extending the link. Business groups in the area said an extension would drive economic growth. 'Long-term regeneration' Mr McLoughlin is expected to say the proposals would take the pressure off the Tube's busiest sections and make it easier to improve Euston, which will have 11 new platforms built under proposals for the HS2 high-speed rail project between London and the West Midlands. Under the plans, stations likely to get Crossrail services will include Tring, Hemel Hempstead, Watford Junction, Berkhamsted and Harrow and Wealdstone. Yolanda Rugg, chief executive officer at the Hertfordshire Chamber of Commerce, said the announcement would be "a catalyst to drive economic growth" in the area. "It will provide vital high-speed transport connectivity from London to the new Watford Health Campus, and to the financial and creative services sectors," she said. Journey times if Crossrail is extended to Hertfordshire • Tring to Liverpool Street - 57 minutes (a reduction of 13 minutes) • Watford Junction to Canary Wharf - 43 minutes (a reduction of 12 minutes) • Tring to Bond Street - 55 minutes - (a reduction of 16 minutes) • Watford Junction to Liverpool Street - 37 minutes (a reduction of 13 minutes) _____________ I must admit I'm surprised that this long-suggested idea hasn't been adopted much earlier. Instead of having some Crossrail services wastefully reverse at Paddington, it makes much more sense for them to take over some of the paths of LM stoppers into Euston. That will be good for many passengers and businesses and as the article states, take some of the pressure of Euston during the HS2 rebuild. What route will they take west of Paddington, and does it involve any flat-crossings with the busy main line? I guess there will be grade-separated junctions near OOC and Willesden Junction. The link will be between the GWR relief and slow WCML lines. Maybe more will be revealed later today? |
No surprise: Crossrail to Tring proposal
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No surprise: Crossrail to Tring proposal
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, Recliner wrote: I guess there will be grade-separated junctions near OOC and Willesden Junction. The link will be between the GWR relief and slow WCML lines. An earlier suggestion was a tunnel from OOC to somewhere south of Wembley Central. Crossrail would take over the DC lines from there, with the Bakerloo and Overground services terminating in new platforms on the east side of Wembley Central station (there's already tracks there). -- Clive D.W. Feather | Home: Mobile: +44 7973 377646 | Web: http://www.davros.org Please reply to the Reply-To address, which is: |
No surprise: Crossrail to Tring proposal
"Clive D. W. Feather" wrote:
In message , Recliner wrote: I guess there will be grade-separated junctions near OOC and Willesden Junction. The link will be between the GWR relief and slow WCML lines. An earlier suggestion was a tunnel from OOC to somewhere south of Wembley Central. Crossrail would take over the DC lines from there, with the Bakerloo and Overground services terminating in new platforms on the east side of Wembley Central station (there's already tracks there). That makes no sense -- Crossrail needs to be on the slow lines to get to Tring, not the DC lines, which will also be accommodating the Met to Watford Junction. |
No surprise: Crossrail to Tring proposal
An earlier suggestion was a tunnel from OOC to somewhere south of Wembley
Central. Crossrail would take over the DC lines from there, with the Bakerloo and Overground services terminating in new platforms on the east side of Wembley Central station (there's already tracks there). That makes no sense -- Crossrail needs to be on the slow lines to get to Tring, not the DC lines, which will also be accommodating the Met to Watford Junction. Presumably the earlier suggestion was to terminate at WJ providing a proper metro service from the north west suburbs into Crossrail. This is a problem with public projects that you start with a perfectly good idea, in this case a fast metro service from the inner home counties, and then every two bit local politician wants a finger in the pie and we get some serious scope creep. Then we get the complaints that its not suitable for the purpose that it wasn't originally designed for and yet more money has to be spent adapting things. (How long before they decide that half the new rolling stock must be reconfigured for long distance use?) |
No surprise: Crossrail to Tring proposal
On Tue, 12 Aug 2014 04:10:14 -0700 (PDT), Piatkow
wrote: An earlier suggestion was a tunnel from OOC to somewhere south of Wembley Central. Crossrail would take over the DC lines from there, with the Bakerloo and Overground services terminating in new platforms on the east side of Wembley Central station (there's already tracks there). That makes no sense -- Crossrail needs to be on the slow lines to get to Tring, not the DC lines, which will also be accommodating the Met to Watford Junction. Presumably the earlier suggestion was to terminate at WJ providing a proper metro service from the north west suburbs into Crossrail. That would have been some years ago, before the Met planned to go to WJ, and before the Overground. I don't think Crossrail would have provided a better service on the DC lines than the Overground and LU combination. This is a problem with public projects that you start with a perfectly good idea, in this case a fast metro service from the inner home counties, and then every two bit local politician wants a finger in the pie and we get some serious scope creep. Then we get the complaints that its not suitable for the purpose that it wasn't originally designed for and yet more money has to be spent adapting things. (How long before they decide that half the new rolling stock must be reconfigured for long distance use?) I think Crossrail had always been planned to go further out than WJ, and it's long made more sense for it to go to somewhere like Tring. It's been discussed here in the past, and even Tony Polson agreed it was a good idea. But, yes, people are already suggesting long distance trains through the tunnel, but as it's a TfL project, I don't think that demand will get very far. |
No surprise: Crossrail to Tring proposal
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