About 11 an I was on a Jubilee line train at Waterloo intending to go to
Prince Regent DLR for EXCEL East, there was a long delay before starting and
then "points failure at North Greenwich " and "there may be delays even when
we start".

So I set off, (W&C to Bank then DLR), and only took 15 extra minutes.


Was there a better alternative ?

Is there any travel planner which accepts things like "not Jubilee" ?

--
Mike D

In message , at 23:33:54 on Sat, 16
Aug 2014, Michael R N Dolbear remarked:

Is there any travel planner which accepts things like "not Jubilee" ?

The TfL journey planner allows a "via", but not an "avoid". However, by
careful choice of "via" you should be able to force the use of specific
lines (eg 'via Bank' in your example).
--
Roland Perry

In message of Sun, 17 Aug 2014 08:06:54
in uk.transport.london, Roland Perry writes
In message , at 23:33:54 on Sat, 16
Aug 2014, Michael R N Dolbear remarked:

Is there any travel planner which accepts things like "not Jubilee" ?

The TfL journey planner allows a "via", but not an "avoid". However, by
careful choice of "via" you should be able to force the use of specific
lines (eg 'via Bank' in your example).

The old one allows via, but often ignores it.
The new one has no obvious support of via.
I include 2 versions of Kennington to Bank via Holborn.
Murphy's Law works and uses the "via" in
http://journeyplanner.tfl.gov.uk/use...type_de stina
tion=stop&name_destination=BANK&type_via=stop&name _via=holborn
[Kennington Station is used as Kennington is viewed as ambiguous. ]

The result of the visually impaired version of that is more easily
transcribed.
http://journeyplanner.tfl.gov.uk/bcl...ype_de stinat
ion=stop&name_destination=BANK&type_via=stop&name_ via=holborn

TfL Journey Planner

Date: 17.08.14
Departure 14:25

From: Kennington Station
To: Bank
Via: : Holborn
Restrictions: max. walking distance set to 20 minutes




Option 1:


14:21 From Kennington Underground Station
Take Northern Line towards High Barnet via Charing Cross
or Northern Line towards Edgware via Charing Cross to Tottenham Court Road Underground Station

Change on foot. Using . Transfer time: 4 minutes

14:34 From Tottenham Court Road Underground Station
Take Central Line towards Newbury Park Underground Station
or Central Line towards Epping Underground Station
or Central Line towards Hainault Underground Station
or Central Line towards Loughton Underground Station to Bank Underground Station

14:41 arrival at Bank Underground Station

Max. Journey Time: 00:20; Interchanges: 1




Option 2:
Etc.

The new Journey Planner does not support via at
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/plan-a-journey/

I have yet to work out how to drive that site by composing a URL.
My first reaction to it was horror; I am now prepared to use it
manually, but it still has some obscene features. e.g. the background is
more than 80% an advert for Evian. A week ago, Harrow & Wealdstone (HAW)
offered 3 pages of alternatives - none was HAW. I reported that and
it is not broken now.

While the old sites work, I won't switch.

I failed miserably in trying to access the developer blog and the
Customer Support Centre at 0343 222 1234 seems to view "We have passed
on your comment" as a complete response.
--
Walter Briscoe

Walter Briscoe wrote on 17 August 2014
14:28:54 ...
The new Journey Planner does not support via at
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/plan-a-journey/

Yes it does. Click on "Travel options & accessibility" and then type
into the box that says "Via another destination".
--
Richard J.
(to email me, swap 'uk' and 'yon' in address)

In article ,
(Walter Briscoe) wrote:

The new Journey Planner does not support via at
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/plan-a-journey/

I have yet to work out how to drive that site by composing a URL.
My first reaction to it was horror; I am now prepared to use it
manually, but it still has some obscene features. e.g. the background is
more than 80% an advert for Evian. A week ago, Harrow & Wealdstone (HAW)
offered 3 pages of alternatives - none was HAW. I reported that and
it is not broken now.

While the old sites work, I won't switch.

I failed miserably in trying to access the developer blog and the
Customer Support Centre at 0343 222 1234 seems to view "We have passed
on your comment" as a complete response.

The new one does auto-recognise stations from partial names. The old one can
be infuriatingly obtuse sometimes.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

"Michael R N Dolbear" wrote in message
...
SNIP
Is there any travel planner which accepts things like "not Jubilee" ?

--
Mike D
I find that a Tube map (paper or on my smartphone) works rather well as a
Tube route planner.

In message , at 14:28:54 on Sun, 17
Aug 2014, Walter Briscoe remarked:
The TfL journey planner allows a "via", but not an "avoid". However, by
careful choice of "via" you should be able to force the use of specific
lines (eg 'via Bank' in your example).

The old one allows via, but often ignores it.
The new one has no obvious support of via.

I'm not sure what these "old" and "new" ones are. I simply looked at
whatever TfL journey planner popped up this morning when I searched for
it.
--
Roland Perry

In article , (MikeS)
wrote:

"Michael R N Dolbear" wrote in message
...
SNIP
Is there any travel planner which accepts things like "not Jubilee"
?

I find that a Tube map (paper or on my smartphone) works rather well
as a Tube route planner.

That could get very confusing if you believe it, though. How about Bayswater
to Queensway?

--
Colin Rosenstiel

"Paul Corfield" wrote

On Sat, 16 Aug 2014 23:33:54 +0100, "Michael R N Dolbear"
wrote:

About 11 an I was on a Jubilee line train at Waterloo intending to go to
Prince Regent DLR for EXCEL East, there was a long delay before starting
and
then "points failure at North Greenwich " and "there may be delays even
when
we start".

So I set off, (W&C to Bank then DLR), and only took 15 extra minutes.

Was there a better alternative ?

.. I doubt it. The only other options that sping to mind would be
Waterloo East - Greenwich for the DLR and then a change at Canary
Wharf and Poplar.

.. Or Waterloo East - Woolwich Arsenal then DLR to Canning Town and
change.

.. Another tube option would be to Bank then Central Line to Stratford
then DLR from there (long way round for a short cut).

.. Both options would get you there but not sure about frequency or
engineering works on a weekend.

Is there any travel planner which accepts things like "not Jubilee" ?

.. No idea - I hardly ever Journey Planners for trips in London. I use my
head and a map!

Yes but I want a method that works when tired and forgetful

And gives me an estimate of the 'best' re-route.

Like what that would be on a Sunday (no W&C) ?


--
Mike D

In message , at 01:57:03 on Mon, 18
Aug 2014, Michael R N Dolbear remarked:
"Paul Corfield" wrote

On Sat, 16 Aug 2014 23:33:54 +0100, "Michael R N Dolbear"
wrote:

About 11 an I was on a Jubilee line train at Waterloo intending to go to
Prince Regent DLR for EXCEL East, there was a long delay before
starting and
then "points failure at North Greenwich " and "there may be delays
even when
we start".

So I set off, (W&C to Bank then DLR), and only took 15 extra minutes.

Was there a better alternative ?

. I doubt it. The only other options that sping to mind would be
Waterloo East - Greenwich for the DLR and then a change at Canary
Wharf and Poplar.

. Or Waterloo East - Woolwich Arsenal then DLR to Canning Town and
change.

. Another tube option would be to Bank then Central Line to Stratford
then DLR from there (long way round for a short cut).

. Both options would get you there but not sure about frequency or
engineering works on a weekend.

Is there any travel planner which accepts things like "not Jubilee" ?

. No idea - I hardly ever Journey Planners for trips in London. I use my
head and a map!

Yes but I want a method that works when tired and forgetful

And gives me an estimate of the 'best' re-route.

Like what that would be on a Sunday (no W&C) ?

On a Sunday, and given that Embankment Station, Northern Line is closed
at the moment, I think I'd walk to Embankment, take the District to
Tower Hill then the DLR.
--
Roland Perry