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As predicted, Boris Island sunk
In message , at 13:16:49 on Wed, 3 Sep 2014,
Mizter T remarked: don't forget they just decided to cut the last two trains to London in the evening. I guess you're referring to the 0100 and 0130 trains which only ran on Friday and Saturday mornings, rather than throughout the week. The announcement just said "the current 0100 and 0130 services", no mentions of days of the week. -- Roland Perry |
As predicted, Boris Island sunk
In message , at 12:59:33 on Wed, 3 Sep 2014,
Mizter T remarked: Gatwick is as convenient to get to and from as Heathrow for us in Cambridge. But presumably Stansted is far better than either? Yes, but with very limited destinations. Almost nothing outside Europe. And even then, the last two European trips booked by household members used different airports (in particular Gatwick for one on account of route availability). And of course Stansted is famously no good for the USA, although during the short periods when that continent was available, we did use it. I wouldn't say the destinations reachable from Stansted were "very limited"... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_...port#Passenger How many destinations outside Europe? (OK, I see there's a flight to Las Vegas planned for next year). I used to fly to Geneva a lot (on business all year round) and all they seem to have now is one seasonal route. -- Roland Perry |
As predicted, Boris Island sunk
In message , at 11:46:32 on Wed, 3 Sep
2014, Neil Williams remarked: For me, for instance, driving and parking at Luton for a weekend is usually cheaper than two taxis, the only other viable way to get there/back if travelling on early morning/late evening flights. I used to drive to Luton (where the parking in the mid-stay just outside the tunnel[1], from where you can walk to the terminal) wasn't too bad. Like you, the times of the flights ruled out using public transport. [1] Or sometimes I'd park at the station (not free) and get the shuttle bus. -- Roland Perry |
As predicted, Boris Island sunk
On 03/09/2014 13:43, Roland Perry wrote: In message , at 13:16:49 on Wed, 3 Sep 2014, Mizter T remarked: don't forget they just decided to cut the last two trains to London in the evening. I guess you're referring to the 0100 and 0130 trains which only ran on Friday and Saturday mornings, rather than throughout the week. The announcement just said "the current 0100 and 0130 services", no mentions of days of the week. They only ever ran on Friday and Saturday mornings. Thus the announcement is not inaccurate. |
As predicted, Boris Island sunk
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As predicted, Boris Island sunk
On 03/09/2014 13:50, Roland Perry wrote: [...] Gatwick is as convenient to get to and from as Heathrow for us in Cambridge. But presumably Stansted is far better than either? Yes, but with very limited destinations. Almost nothing outside Europe. And even then, the last two European trips booked by household members used different airports (in particular Gatwick for one on account of route availability). And of course Stansted is famously no good for the USA, although during the short periods when that continent was available, we did use it. I wouldn't say the destinations reachable from Stansted were "very limited"... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_...port#Passenger How many destinations outside Europe? (OK, I see there's a flight to Las Vegas planned for next year). Just because most destinations are in Europe doesn't equate to the airport serving "very limited destinations" - that would mean just a few destinations, and there are in fact many. I used to fly to Geneva a lot (on business all year round) and all they seem to have now is one seasonal route. |
As predicted, Boris Island sunk
On Wed, 03 Sep 2014 13:22:53 +0100, Mizter T
wrote: On 02/09/2014 14:02, Recliner wrote: On Tue, 2 Sep 2014 13:14:48 +0100, Roland Perry wrote: In message , at 13:07:29 on Tue, 2 Sep 2014, Recliner remarked: Basically, BA puts as many flights into Heathrow as will fit, with the overflow left in Gatwick. As long haul is more profitable, it's largely in Heathrow, apart from beach flights. Virgin does exactly the same. Exactly - and it's those beach flights which are the ones least likely to be benefiting from a hub effect. True, but the demand is for more hub flights, which is why it's Heathrow that's bursting at the seams, while LCC-focused Stansted and Gatwick are short of business. With six international airports, London isn't really short of runway capacity, but it desperately needs a bigger hub airport. Stansted might be short of business, but I don't think the same could be said of Gatwick, the world's busiest single runway airport. Easyjet likes Gatwick because of the higher fares it can charge compared to say Stansted or Luton. You might think Gatwick is full, but it's not: From: http://www.ttgdigital.com/news/wtm-2...685816.article Gatwick's chief executive, Stewart Wingate, said his airport had the ability to significantly increase its passenger numbers. “Even off the single runway we have capacity to grow the airport to 45 million passengers and with the current economic environment we see that capacity actually seeing us through until sometime in the mid 2020s,” he said. “When we say that there's a capacity crunch there is a capacity crunch, but it is coming on a London system basis in the mid 2020s to the late 2020s. “To put it in context we have 11 million passengers of spare capacity today at Gatwick, that's more than the entire size of Birmingham airport. If I go around the M25, Stansted has somewhere close to 20 million passengers of spare capacity. And from: https://www.london.gov.uk/media/asse...rused-says-new New research commissioned by the Assembly on the usage of London's airports shows: - Stansted Airport: 47 per cent of runway slots are available - Luton Airport: 51 per cent of runway slots are available - Gatwick Airport: 12 per cent of runway slots are currently available - Heathrow Airport: at 99 per cent capacity, Heathrow's runway capacity is nearly full, but some evidence submitted suggests increasing aircraft size would allow it to increase capacity |
As predicted, Boris Island sunk
On 03/09/2014 14:06, Recliner wrote: [...] True, but the demand is for more hub flights, which is why it's Heathrow that's bursting at the seams, while LCC-focused Stansted and Gatwick are short of business. With six international airports, London isn't really short of runway capacity, but it desperately needs a bigger hub airport. Stansted might be short of business, but I don't think the same could be said of Gatwick, the world's busiest single runway airport. Easyjet likes Gatwick because of the higher fares it can charge compared to say Stansted or Luton. You might think Gatwick is full, but it's not: I didn't say it was full, I said I don't think Gatwick could be described as being "short of business" (your phrase). Not being at capacity doesn't mean it's short of business. |
As predicted, Boris Island sunk
On Wed, 03 Sep 2014 14:01:06 +0100, Mizter T
wrote: On 03/09/2014 13:50, Roland Perry wrote: [...] Gatwick is as convenient to get to and from as Heathrow for us in Cambridge. But presumably Stansted is far better than either? Yes, but with very limited destinations. Almost nothing outside Europe. And even then, the last two European trips booked by household members used different airports (in particular Gatwick for one on account of route availability). And of course Stansted is famously no good for the USA, although during the short periods when that continent was available, we did use it. I wouldn't say the destinations reachable from Stansted were "very limited"... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_...port#Passenger How many destinations outside Europe? (OK, I see there's a flight to Las Vegas planned for next year). Just because most destinations are in Europe doesn't equate to the airport serving "very limited destinations" - that would mean just a few destinations, and there are in fact many. But don't some have very limited schedules (not even daily, let alone multiple times a day)? |
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