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![]() On 05/09/2014 15:26, Recliner wrote: [...] I think that people like Boltar, with a fear of flying, rationalise it by asserting that flying is a bad idea for everyone. That way, they don't feel they're losing out so much. It's hardly a wondrous gift for the environment though. |
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On Fri, 05 Sep 2014 15:28:11 +0100, Mizter T
wrote: On 05/09/2014 15:26, Recliner wrote: [...] I think that people like Boltar, with a fear of flying, rationalise it by asserting that flying is a bad idea for everyone. That way, they don't feel they're losing out so much. It's hardly a wondrous gift for the environment though. True, but making UK passengers fly via a hub in another city doesn't improve matters. Unless we all go back to travelling by sea, which might have to happen one day in the distant future, people are going to fly anyway. |
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![]() On 05/09/2014 15:38, Recliner wrote: On Fri, 05 Sep 2014 15:28:11 +0100, Mizter T wrote: On 05/09/2014 15:26, Recliner wrote: [...] I think that people like Boltar, with a fear of flying, rationalise it by asserting that flying is a bad idea for everyone. That way, they don't feel they're losing out so much. It's hardly a wondrous gift for the environment though. True, but making UK passengers fly via a hub in another city doesn't improve matters. Arguably depends on the efficiencies - aggregating lots of passengers through hubs in say the middle east or Turkey might be more efficient for many journeys. [...] Unless we all go back to travelling by sea, which might have to happen one day in the distant future, people are going to fly anyway. |
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On Fri, 05 Sep 2014 15:52:47 +0100, Mizter T
wrote: On 05/09/2014 15:38, Recliner wrote: On Fri, 05 Sep 2014 15:28:11 +0100, Mizter T wrote: On 05/09/2014 15:26, Recliner wrote: [...] I think that people like Boltar, with a fear of flying, rationalise it by asserting that flying is a bad idea for everyone. That way, they don't feel they're losing out so much. It's hardly a wondrous gift for the environment though. True, but making UK passengers fly via a hub in another city doesn't improve matters. Arguably depends on the efficiencies - aggregating lots of passengers through hubs in say the middle east or Turkey might be more efficient for many journeys. Unless the planes doing that route are significantly more efficient (which would be true if the direct flight is on, say, an old 767 and the indirect hub flight is on a large modern plane such as a 777-300ER or 380), the indirect route is going to be less efficient than a direct route. But it might have other advantages, such as being available at least daily, whereas a thin direct route might only have one or two flights a week. |
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On 2014-09-05 14:52:47 +0000, Mizter T said:
Arguably depends on the efficiencies - aggregating lots of passengers through hubs in say the middle east or Turkey might be more efficient for many journeys. Which probably depends if one A380 is less polluting than two 777-300ERs, which might not be the case given that the former uses 4 engines and the latter 2. There's arguably a lot more inefficiency on shorthaul. Neil -- Neil Williams Put my first name before the @ to reply. |
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Neil Williams wrote:
On 2014-09-05 14:52:47 +0000, Mizter T said: Arguably depends on the efficiencies - aggregating lots of passengers through hubs in say the middle east or Turkey might be more efficient for many journeys. Which probably depends if one A380 is less polluting than two 777-300ERs, which might not be the case given that the former uses 4 engines and the latter 2. There's arguably a lot more inefficiency on shorthaul. The 77W and 38W are both clean and efficient, the latter slightly better than the former. One single 388 would be much cleaner than two 77Ws. But, yes, shorthaul is certainly much less efficient. |
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On Fri, 05 Sep 2014 14:16:48 +0100
JNugent wrote: OTOH, how do I get to the USA or Canada (let's not even mention the Antipodes) except by flying? Or is it your thesis that because you don't accept that I need to go to those places (on your own definition of "need"), nothing should be done which might facilitate my getting there? Well personally I couldn't care less if you could get there or not. But what I'm saying is there should be a limit on flights. If that means people can't go to New York or Ibiza or wherever the next day then thats just too bad. Only children expect to get what they want straight away. Society is infantilised enough already. -- Spud |
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On Fri, 05 Sep 2014 15:26:20 +0100
Recliner wrote: I think that people like Boltar, with a fear of flying, rationalise it Who said anything about a fear of flying? Though it is the most miserable and unpleasent way to travel long distance this side of a NEx bus. by asserting that flying is a bad idea for everyone. That way, they don't feel they're losing out so much. Its a bad idea for the enviroment. -- Spud |
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On Fri, 05 Sep 2014 15:26:20 +0100 Recliner wrote: I think that people like Boltar, with a fear of flying, rationalise it Who said anything about a fear of flying? Though it is the most miserable and unpleasent way to travel long distance this side of a NEx bus. by asserting that flying is a bad idea for everyone. That way, they don't feel they're losing out so much. Its a bad idea for the enviroment. Sure, and if you weren't afraid of flying, you'd be doing it anyway, just as you show off about always having gas guzzling cars. |
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