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On 06/09/2014 16:37, Someone Somewhere wrote:
On 02/09/2014 12:08, Roland Perry wrote: In message , at 11:50:51 on Tue, 2 Sep 2014, Someone Somewhere remarked: I haven't looked at the schedules but I can well believe every London airport has several flights a day to particular european destinations that could easily be consolidated into less "movements" in larger, more efficient, planes if that were the case. Heathrow/Gatwick don't have flights to very many European destinations. That market is dominated by low-cost airlines from other airports. I did say "particular" and I did say "every London airport" not just Gatwick and Heathrow. I can imagine that flights to Amsterdam for example are pretty much available from every London airport (not counting piddling ones like Southend) There *are* routes to Amsterdam from Southend, and from City Airport. |
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On Fri, 05 Sep 2014 14:36:44 -0500
Recliner wrote: wrote: On Fri, 05 Sep 2014 15:26:20 +0100 Recliner wrote: I think that people like Boltar, with a fear of flying, rationalise it Who said anything about a fear of flying? Though it is the most miserable and unpleasent way to travel long distance this side of a NEx bus. by asserting that flying is a bad idea for everyone. That way, they don't feel they're losing out so much. Its a bad idea for the enviroment. Sure, and if you weren't afraid of flying, you'd be doing it anyway, just as you show off about always having gas guzzling cars. Oh dear. Is this really the best you can do? I guess because I'm not a great fan of the M25 I'm afraid of cars too, right? -- Spud |
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On Fri, 05 Sep 2014 17:31:16 -0500
Recliner wrote: Neil Williams wrote: On 2014-09-05 19:07:44 +0000, d said: Who said anything about a fear of flying? Though it is the most miserable and unpleasent way to travel long distance this side of a NEx bus. Some of us happen to disagree. I personally quite enjoy it. Me too, but then, unlike Boltar, I'm not afraid of flying. I've also noticed that most people with that fear dress it up in other ways, just as he does. Then, if they go on a fear of flying course, they suddenly change, and are quite happy to fly, forgetting all their previous reasons for not doing so. People I've met with this fear sometimes developed it after a bad flight, while others are just afraid of not being in control when the plane manoeuvres in the sky. When they do fly, they avoid window seats (I love them) and some also have a fear of heights. Poor old recliner. The old straw man arguments are the best eh? -- Spud |
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On Sat, 06 Sep 2014 01:14:39 +0100
JNugent wrote: On 05/09/2014 20:05, d wrote: But what I'm saying is there should be a limit on flights. Why? Are you unable to read or just stupid? Try and figure it out from previous posts. If that means people can't go to New York or Ibiza or wherever the next day then thats just too bad. The market takes care of that. An immediate ticket LHR - JFK costs a LOT of money (more than I'd care to pay). Like the market took care of acid rain, NOx in car exhaust, DDT etc? The market is merely the result of individual self interest. Sometimes that self interest needs to be tempered in the interests of everyone as a whole. Only children expect to get what they want straight away. Society is infantilised enough already. You say that people travelling at short notice to the places they wish to travel to are childish, do you? If its simply for recreation then I'm saying people who get ****ed off because they can't are, yes. I assume you exempt yourself from that. Yup. -- Spud |
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On Sat, 6 Sep 2014 16:41:29 +0100
"tim....." wrote: wrote in message As someone who: Rarely has a car, usually travelling by bus/train/walk/bike Keeps the thermostat down low so as not to over heat the house always takes my own reusable bags to the supermarket Puts everything possible in the recycling bag never disposes of material things until they have worn out and never in my life have I thrown away a food item because I let it get out of date/go stale I have a problem with someone else deciding what particular things I have to do to make my contribution to saving the planet Thats odd given the above reads like a Greenpeace wish list. Did you coincidentaly think it up all by yourself in a vacuum? -- Spud |
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They are extending the Northern Line to a housing development on the site of the old Battersea Power Station instead of to Clapham Junction and Wandsworth even though Wandsworth Council have offered to pay for the extension to Wandsworth. That Clapham Junction is not on the London Underground remains the most absurd anomaly of London's public transport system |
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uses a car at least five days a week makes a point of not heating rooms that are not being used always takes reusable bags to the supermarket recycles everything that can be recycled never wastes food by letting it go stale or "off" and doesn't give a tu'penny-ha'penny damn about other people's contribution to the environment . . . . . . may I point out that throwing away food should be perfectly acceptable to the pseudo-environmentalists as long as the food is "returned to nature" and not added to the general refuse destined for land-fill or incinerator. All food will decompose quickly into high quality topsoil. Your garden's flower beds or a local woodland will be the ideal receptacle for tea leaves, orange peal, apple cores, bread crumbs, coffee grounds, vegetable stalks, banana skins . . . and any food you have let go stale. |
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![]() wrote in message ... On Sat, 6 Sep 2014 16:41:29 +0100 "tim....." wrote: wrote in message As someone who: Rarely has a car, usually travelling by bus/train/walk/bike Keeps the thermostat down low so as not to over heat the house always takes my own reusable bags to the supermarket Puts everything possible in the recycling bag never disposes of material things until they have worn out and never in my life have I thrown away a food item because I let it get out of date/go stale I have a problem with someone else deciding what particular things I have to do to make my contribution to saving the planet Thats odd given the above reads like a Greenpeace wish list. Did you coincidentaly think it up all by yourself in a vacuum? It's the list of things that I do that the press regularly complains that people don't do that wastes energy of course it's going to look like the list of things that people want us to do if I do, in fact, do them. I could have added, "I save energy by not ironing my sheets" which isn't on anybody's list AFAICT if you want me to add some variety tim |
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In message , at 13:26:53 on Sun, 7 Sep
2014, tim..... remarked: never disposes of material things until they have worn out .... It's the list of things that I do that the press regularly complains that people don't do that wastes energy How strictly is "dispose of" correlated with "throw away"? It's also possible to sell things, freecycle/eBay/Gumtree, give to friends/relatives/neighbours/Oxfam and so on. Does a PC that'll only run Windows XP now qualify as "worn out", even if the only thing which has expired is Microsoft's enthusiasm to continue support (I could give numerous similar examples). -- Roland Perry |
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![]() "Roland Perry" wrote in message news ![]() In message , at 13:26:53 on Sun, 7 Sep 2014, tim..... remarked: never disposes of material things until they have worn out ... It's the list of things that I do that the press regularly complains that people don't do that wastes energy How strictly is "dispose of" correlated with "throw away"? I was just making the point that I don't: wear something once and never again or replace electrical goods because they aren't the latest colour, or even because they don't have the most recent number on the front It's also possible to sell things, freecycle/eBay/Gumtree, give to friends/relatives/neighbours/Oxfam and so on. I know, but that isn't always a useful disposal, and if the person who buys it is only going to wear it once and than they throw it away, it hasn't solved the problem Does a PC that'll only run Windows XP now qualify as "worn out", I don't know. I've never got a PC to last longer than about 4 years without "blowing up" in some way. tim |
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