On 06/09/2014 16:37, Someone Somewhere wrote:
On 02/09/2014 12:08, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 11:50:51 on Tue, 2 Sep
2014, Someone Somewhere remarked:
I haven't looked at the schedules but I can well believe every London
airport has several flights a day to particular european destinations
that could easily be consolidated into less "movements" in larger,
more efficient, planes if that were the case.

Heathrow/Gatwick don't have flights to very many European destinations.
That market is dominated by low-cost airlines from other airports.

I did say "particular" and I did say "every London airport" not just
Gatwick and Heathrow. I can imagine that flights to Amsterdam for
example are pretty much available from every London airport (not
counting piddling ones like Southend)

There *are* routes to Amsterdam from Southend, and from City Airport.

On Fri, 05 Sep 2014 14:36:44 -0500
Recliner wrote:
wrote:
On Fri, 05 Sep 2014 15:26:20 +0100
Recliner wrote:
I think that people like Boltar, with a fear of flying, rationalise it

Who said anything about a fear of flying? Though it is the most miserable
and
unpleasent way to travel long distance this side of a NEx bus.

by asserting that flying is a bad idea for everyone. That way, they
don't feel they're losing out so much.

Its a bad idea for the enviroment.

Sure, and if you weren't afraid of flying, you'd be doing it anyway, just
as you show off about always having gas guzzling cars.

Oh dear. Is this really the best you can do? I guess because I'm not a great
fan of the M25 I'm afraid of cars too, right?

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Spud

On Fri, 05 Sep 2014 17:31:16 -0500
Recliner wrote:
Neil Williams wrote:
On 2014-09-05 19:07:44 +0000, d said:

Who said anything about a fear of flying? Though it is the most miserable
and
unpleasent way to travel long distance this side of a NEx bus.

Some of us happen to disagree. I personally quite enjoy it.

Me too, but then, unlike Boltar, I'm not afraid of flying. I've also
noticed that most people with that fear dress it up in other ways, just as
he does. Then, if they go on a fear of flying course, they suddenly change,
and are quite happy to fly, forgetting all their previous reasons for not
doing so.

People I've met with this fear sometimes developed it after a bad flight,
while others are just afraid of not being in control when the plane
manoeuvres in the sky. When they do fly, they avoid window seats (I love
them) and some also have a fear of heights.

Poor old recliner. The old straw man arguments are the best eh?

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Spud

On Sat, 06 Sep 2014 01:14:39 +0100
JNugent wrote:
On 05/09/2014 20:05, d wrote:
But what
I'm saying is there should be a limit on flights.

Why?

Are you unable to read or just stupid? Try and figure it out from previous
posts.

If that means people can't
go to New York or Ibiza or wherever the next day then thats just too bad.

The market takes care of that. An immediate ticket LHR - JFK costs a LOT
of money (more than I'd care to pay).

Like the market took care of acid rain, NOx in car exhaust, DDT etc?

The market is merely the result of individual self interest. Sometimes that
self interest needs to be tempered in the interests of everyone as a whole.

Only children expect to get what they want straight away. Society is
infantilised enough already.

You say that people travelling at short notice to the places they wish
to travel to are childish, do you?

If its simply for recreation then I'm saying people who get ****ed off because
they can't are, yes.

I assume you exempt yourself from that.

Yup.

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Spud

On Sat, 6 Sep 2014 16:41:29 +0100
"tim....." wrote:
wrote in message
As someone who:

Rarely has a car, usually travelling by bus/train/walk/bike

Keeps the thermostat down low so as not to over heat the house

always takes my own reusable bags to the supermarket

Puts everything possible in the recycling bag

never disposes of material things until they have worn out

and never in my life have I thrown away a food item because I let it get out
of date/go stale

I have a problem with someone else deciding what particular things I have to
do to make my contribution to saving the planet

Thats odd given the above reads like a Greenpeace wish list. Did you
coincidentaly think it up all by yourself in a vacuum?

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Spud

Has Boris Johnson or London Underground ever heard of Clapham Junction?
They are extending the Northern Line to a housing development on the site of
the old Battersea Power Station instead of to Clapham Junction and
Wandsworth even though Wandsworth Council have offered to pay for the
extension to Wandsworth.

That Clapham Junction is not on the London Underground remains the most
absurd anomaly of London's public transport system

As someone who:

uses a car at least five days a week

makes a point of not heating rooms that are not being used

always takes reusable bags to the supermarket

recycles everything that can be recycled

never wastes food by letting it go stale or "off"

and doesn't give a tu'penny-ha'penny damn about other people's contribution
to the environment . . .

. . . may I point out that throwing away food should be perfectly acceptable
to the pseudo-environmentalists as long as the food is "returned to nature"
and not added to the general refuse destined for land-fill or incinerator.

All food will decompose quickly into high quality topsoil. Your garden's flower
beds or a local woodland will be the ideal receptacle for tea leaves, orange
peal, apple cores, bread crumbs, coffee grounds, vegetable stalks, banana
skins . . . and any food you have let go stale.

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On Sat, 6 Sep 2014 16:41:29 +0100
"tim....." wrote:
wrote in message
As someone who:

Rarely has a car, usually travelling by bus/train/walk/bike

Keeps the thermostat down low so as not to over heat the house

always takes my own reusable bags to the supermarket

Puts everything possible in the recycling bag

never disposes of material things until they have worn out

and never in my life have I thrown away a food item because I let it get
out
of date/go stale

I have a problem with someone else deciding what particular things I have
to
do to make my contribution to saving the planet

Thats odd given the above reads like a Greenpeace wish list. Did you
coincidentaly think it up all by yourself in a vacuum?

It's the list of things that I do that the press regularly complains that
people don't do that wastes energy

of course it's going to look like the list of things that people want us to
do if I do, in fact, do them.

I could have added, "I save energy by not ironing my sheets" which isn't on
anybody's list AFAICT if you want me to add some variety

tim

In message , at 13:26:53 on Sun, 7 Sep
2014, tim..... remarked:

never disposes of material things until they have worn out

....

It's the list of things that I do that the press regularly complains
that people don't do that wastes energy

How strictly is "dispose of" correlated with "throw away"?

It's also possible to sell things, freecycle/eBay/Gumtree, give to
friends/relatives/neighbours/Oxfam and so on.

Does a PC that'll only run Windows XP now qualify as "worn out", even if
the only thing which has expired is Microsoft's enthusiasm to continue
support (I could give numerous similar examples).
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Roland Perry

"Roland Perry" wrote in message
news
In message , at 13:26:53 on Sun, 7 Sep
2014, tim..... remarked:

never disposes of material things until they have worn out

...

It's the list of things that I do that the press regularly complains that
people don't do that wastes energy

How strictly is "dispose of" correlated with "throw away"?

I was just making the point that I don't:

wear something once and never again

or replace electrical goods because they aren't the latest colour,

or even because they don't have the most recent number on the front

It's also possible to sell things, freecycle/eBay/Gumtree, give to
friends/relatives/neighbours/Oxfam and so on.

I know, but that isn't always a useful disposal, and if the person who buys
it is only going to wear it once and than they throw it away, it hasn't
solved the problem


Does a PC that'll only run Windows XP now qualify as "worn out",

I don't know.

I've never got a PC to last longer than about 4 years without "blowing up"
in some way.

tim