New site?

http://crossrail2.co.uk

Latest consulation report published here - can'ts e it adds anything much.

E.

On 2014\10\28 20:26, eastender wrote:
New site?

http://crossrail2.co.uk

Latest consulation report published here - can'ts e it adds anything much.

E.

If the Kings Cross station is going to stretch to Euston at one end, why
cant the Tottenham Court Road station stretch to Piccadilly Circus at
one end?

Terminus at New Southgate? LOL. What are they playing at? If they are
going to Ally Pally at all, they should send half the trains to Gordon
Hill and half to New Barnet, and put a new station by the North London
Business Park while they are at it.

In message , at 21:00:50 on Tue, 28 Oct
2014, Basil Jet remarked:
http://crossrail2.co.uk

Latest consulation report published here - can'ts e it adds anything much.

If the Kings Cross station is going to stretch to Euston at one end,
why cant the Tottenham Court Road station stretch to Piccadilly Circus
at one end?

Is the TCR station allowed for in the design of Crossrail 1, or will
they have to dig it all up again?
--
Roland Perry

Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 21:00:50 on Tue, 28 Oct 2014,
Basil Jet remarked:
http://crossrail2.co.uk

Latest consulation report published here - can'ts e it adds anything much.

If the Kings Cross station is going to stretch to Euston at one end,
why cant the Tottenham Court Road station stretch to Piccadilly Circus at one end?

Is the TCR station allowed for in the design of Crossrail 1, or will they
have to dig it all up again?

Even if they've made some provision, squeezing in another set of large
platform and escalator tunnels under Tottenham Court Rd won't be easy.
Remember the "threading the needle" bit of the Crossrail documentary? That
suggests there isn't much spare space for more tunnels down there, so
presumably CR2 will have to go very deep, below the London clay.

In message

, at 03:15:37 on Wed, 29 Oct 2014, Recliner
remarked:
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 21:00:50 on Tue, 28 Oct 2014,
Basil Jet remarked:
http://crossrail2.co.uk

Latest consulation report published here - can'ts e it adds anything much.

If the Kings Cross station is going to stretch to Euston at one end,
why cant the Tottenham Court Road station stretch to Piccadilly
Circus at one end?

Is the TCR station allowed for in the design of Crossrail 1, or will they
have to dig it all up again?

Even if they've made some provision, squeezing in another set of large
platform and escalator tunnels under Tottenham Court Rd won't be easy.
Remember the "threading the needle" bit of the Crossrail documentary?

Yes, I had that in mind, although that was east-west and Crossrail 2 is
north-south, so perhaps it could run parallel to the Northern Line and
above Crossrail (which we know by the "eye of needle" thing is the same
depth as the Northern), and I think that means above the Central (at TCR
there's one set of escalators down to the central and an intermediate
concourse, then another set down to the Northern).

That suggests there isn't much spare space for more tunnels down there,
so presumably CR2 will have to go very deep, below the London clay.

--
Roland Perry

Roland Perry wrote:
In message
, at 03:15:37 on Wed, 29 Oct 2014, Recliner remarked:
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 21:00:50 on Tue, 28 Oct 2014,
Basil Jet remarked:
http://crossrail2.co.uk

Latest consulation report published here - can'ts e it adds anything much.

If the Kings Cross station is going to stretch to Euston at one end,
why cant the Tottenham Court Road station stretch to Piccadilly
Circus at one end?

Is the TCR station allowed for in the design of Crossrail 1, or will they
have to dig it all up again?

Even if they've made some provision, squeezing in another set of large
platform and escalator tunnels under Tottenham Court Rd won't be easy.
Remember the "threading the needle" bit of the Crossrail documentary?

Yes, I had that in mind, although that was east-west and Crossrail 2 is
north-south, so perhaps it could run parallel to the Northern Line and
above Crossrail (which we know by the "eye of needle" thing is the same
depth as the Northern), and I think that means above the Central (at TCR
there's one set of escalators down to the central and an intermediate
concourse, then another set down to the Northern).

Of course, CR2 also has to cross the Northern line somewhere in that area.
Hopefully the much enlarged new concourse and interchange areas will be
able to cope with the extra CR2 load.

In message

, at 04:58:23 on Wed, 29 Oct 2014, Recliner
remarked:
http://crossrail2.co.uk

Latest consulation report published here - can'ts e it adds anything much.

If the Kings Cross station is going to stretch to Euston at one end,
why cant the Tottenham Court Road station stretch to Piccadilly
Circus at one end?

Is the TCR station allowed for in the design of Crossrail 1, or will they
have to dig it all up again?

Even if they've made some provision, squeezing in another set of large
platform and escalator tunnels under Tottenham Court Rd won't be easy.
Remember the "threading the needle" bit of the Crossrail documentary?

Yes, I had that in mind, although that was east-west and Crossrail 2 is
north-south, so perhaps it could run parallel to the Northern Line and
above Crossrail (which we know by the "eye of needle" thing is the same
depth as the Northern), and I think that means above the Central (at TCR
there's one set of escalators down to the central and an intermediate
concourse, then another set down to the Northern).

Of course, CR2 also has to cross the Northern line somewhere in that area.

And the Piccadilly (and further south the Circle and Victoria), but all
crossings could be arranged to be away from subterranean hot-spots like
TCR.

Hopefully the much enlarged new concourse and interchange areas will be
able to cope with the extra CR2 load.

--
Roland Perry

Roland Perry wrote:
In message
, at 04:58:23 on Wed, 29 Oct 2014, Recliner remarked:
http://crossrail2.co.uk

Latest consulation report published here - can'ts e it adds anything much.

If the Kings Cross station is going to stretch to Euston at one end,
why cant the Tottenham Court Road station stretch to Piccadilly
Circus at one end?

Is the TCR station allowed for in the design of Crossrail 1, or will they
have to dig it all up again?

Even if they've made some provision, squeezing in another set of large
platform and escalator tunnels under Tottenham Court Rd won't be easy.
Remember the "threading the needle" bit of the Crossrail documentary?

Yes, I had that in mind, although that was east-west and Crossrail 2 is
north-south, so perhaps it could run parallel to the Northern Line and
above Crossrail (which we know by the "eye of needle" thing is the same
depth as the Northern), and I think that means above the Central (at TCR
there's one set of escalators down to the central and an intermediate
concourse, then another set down to the Northern).

Of course, CR2 also has to cross the Northern line somewhere in that area.

And the Piccadilly (and further south the Circle and Victoria), but all
crossings could be arranged to be away from subterranean hot-spots like TCR.

There's also underground rivers, sewers, gas and water mains, power and
telecoms cables, deep building foundations, various secret government
tunnels...

On 2014\10\29 08:15, Recliner wrote:
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 21:00:50 on Tue, 28 Oct 2014,
Basil Jet remarked:
http://crossrail2.co.uk

Latest consulation report published here - can'ts e it adds anything much.

If the Kings Cross station is going to stretch to Euston at one end,
why can't the Tottenham Court Road station stretch to Piccadilly Circus at one end?

Is the TCR station allowed for in the design of Crossrail 1, or will they
have to dig it all up again?

Even if they've made some provision, squeezing in another set of large
platform and escalator tunnels under Tottenham Court Rd won't be easy.
Remember the "threading the needle" bit of the Crossrail documentary? That
suggests there isn't much spare space for more tunnels down there, so
presumably CR2 will have to go very deep, below the London clay.

I don't think so... some years ago, they were saying that if CR2 was
going to be tube gauge it was going to have a station at Piccadilly
Circus, but that if it was going to mainline gauge it couldn't, because
there wouldn't be room for the larger station tunnels... which suggest
that the tunnels will weave through at approximately the same height as
unmoveable stuff already there, such as the Bakerloo and Piccadilly lines.

It certainly doesn't add to the Hackney/Tottenham Hale route the possibility of
a connection with London Overground at South Tottenham. Why not? Hasn't
TfL heard of London Overground? Is not the single biggest weakness of London
Overground the fact that it doesn't connect very often with other rail routes?