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04:41:31 on Fri, 28 Nov 2014, CJB remarked: More expensive per mile than Concorde was ... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/tr...ess-tops-list- tickets-cost-return-flight-MALAGA.html I think you'll find a taxi is even more expensive. -- Roland Perry |
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On 2014-11-28 12:41:31 +0000, CJB said:
More expensive per mile than Concorde was ... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/tr...ht-MALAGA.html It's not even much faster if you're going to/from say Dalston where I am - the Piccadilly is only about 15 mins longer and the changes are easier. E. |
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"Roland Perry" wrote in message ... In message , at 04:41:31 on Fri, 28 Nov 2014, CJB remarked: More expensive per mile than Concorde was ... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/tr...ess-tops-list- tickets-cost-return-flight-MALAGA.html I think you'll find a taxi is even more expensive. and I think they meant the "EU" as Oslo is even more expensive tim |
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On 2014-11-28 19:13:55 +0000, tim..... said:
"Roland Perry" wrote in message ... In message , at 04:41:31 on Fri, 28 Nov 2014, CJB remarked: More expensive per mile than Concorde was ... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/tr...ess-tops-list- tickets-cost-return-flight-MALAGA.html I think you'll find a taxi is even more expensive. and I think they meant the "EU" as Oslo is even more expensive Arlanda (Stockholm) is about £22 one way, a pound more than HEX. I've forked out for this a few times. E. |
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28 Nov 2014, eastender remarked: More expensive per mile than Concorde was ... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/tr...1805/London-fo ur-five-expensive-airport-transfers-Europe-Heathrow-Express-tops-list-t ickets-cost-return-flight-MALAGA.html It's not even much faster if you're going to/from say Dalston where I am - the Piccadilly is only about 15 mins longer and the changes are easier. Such a shame, then, that everyone is forced to use HEx, and no passengers are allowed to use other ways of getting to the airport. -- Roland Perry |
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In message , at 18:15:22 on Fri, 28 Nov 2014, eastender remarked: More expensive per mile than Concorde was ... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/tr...1805/London-fo ur-five-expensive-airport-transfers-Europe-Heathrow-Express-tops-list-t ickets-cost-return-flight-MALAGA.html It's not even much faster if you're going to/from say Dalston where I am - the Piccadilly is only about 15 mins longer and the changes are easier. Such a shame, then, that everyone is forced to use HEx, and no passengers are allowed to use other ways of getting to the airport. I wonder if someone has figures for HEx, HC and Picc loading from Heathrow. HEx has 4tph, HC has 2tph and the PIcc has at least 12tph in the peaks. |
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Nov 2014, Robin9 remarked: Roland Perry;145904 Wrote: In message , at 04:41:31 on Fri, 28 Nov 2014, CJB remarked:- More expensive per mile than Concorde was ... http://tinyurl.com/kt2kplh tickets-cost-return-flight-MALAGA.html- I think you'll find a taxi is even more expensive. If you're travelling alone. If you share the taxi - and the cost- with other people, the cost per person is quite reasonable for the door-to-door convenience. A taxi can also be cheaper than a week's parking at many airports. I'm always surprised when I see entire families travelling to and from airports by public transport. Force of habit, perhaps. -- Roland Perry |
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On 2014-11-29 08:46:45 +0000, Robin9 said:
I'm always surprised when I see entire families travelling to and from airports by public transport. There are other reasons - for instance, in some areas taxi drivers are very unreliable, drive dangerously or both. If you make the comparison with a premium airport car service instead, sometimes the balance may well tip in favour of public transport, particularly coach or if Family Railcards are applicable. Neil -- Neil Williams Put my first name before the @ to reply. |
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-septemb er.org, at 09:49:05 on Sat, 29 Nov 2014, Recliner remarked: More expensive per mile than Concorde was ... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/tr...1805/London-fo ur-five-expensive-airport-transfers-Europe-Heathrow-Express-tops-list-t ickets-cost-return-flight-MALAGA.html It's not even much faster if you're going to/from say Dalston where I am - the Piccadilly is only about 15 mins longer and the changes are easier. Such a shame, then, that everyone is forced to use HEx, and no passengers are allowed to use other ways of getting to the airport. I wonder if someone has figures for HEx, HC and Picc loading from Heathrow. HEx has 4tph, HC has 2tph and the PIcc has at least 12tph in the peaks. I posted all the numbers about six months ago in a previous thread. -- Roland Perry |
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On Sat, 29 Nov 2014 11:59:12 +0000, Roland Perry
wrote: In message -septemb er.org, at 09:49:05 on Sat, 29 Nov 2014, Recliner remarked: More expensive per mile than Concorde was ... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/tr...1805/London-fo ur-five-expensive-airport-transfers-Europe-Heathrow-Express-tops-list-t ickets-cost-return-flight-MALAGA.html It's not even much faster if you're going to/from say Dalston where I am - the Piccadilly is only about 15 mins longer and the changes are easier. Such a shame, then, that everyone is forced to use HEx, and no passengers are allowed to use other ways of getting to the airport. I wonder if someone has figures for HEx, HC and Picc loading from Heathrow. HEx has 4tph, HC has 2tph and the PIcc has at least 12tph in the peaks. I posted all the numbers about six months ago in a previous thread. Yes, I thought you had posted them a while ago, but couldn't remember when. |
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On 2014-11-29 09:49:05 +0000, Recliner said:
Roland Perry wrote: In message , at 18:15:22 on Fri, 28 Nov 2014, eastender remarked: More expensive per mile than Concorde was ... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/tr...1805/London-fo ur-five-expensive-airport-transfers-Europe-Heathrow-Express-tops-list-t ickets-cost-return-flight-MALAGA.html It's not even much faster if you're going to/from say Dalston where I am - the Piccadilly is only about 15 mins longer and the changes are easier. Such a shame, then, that everyone is forced to use HEx, and no passengers are allowed to use other ways of getting to the airport. I wonder if someone has figures for HEx, HC and Picc loading from Heathrow. HEx has 4tph, HC has 2tph and the PIcc has at least 12tph in the peaks. Good point - if you just miss a HEx the time advanatge almost disappears. E. |
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On 2014-11-29 09:49:05 +0000, Recliner said: Roland Perry wrote: In message , at 18:15:22 on Fri, 28 Nov 2014, eastender remarked: More expensive per mile than Concorde was ... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/tr...1805/London-fo ur-five-expensive-airport-transfers-Europe-Heathrow-Express-tops-list-t ickets-cost-return-flight-MALAGA.html It's not even much faster if you're going to/from say Dalston where I am - the Piccadilly is only about 15 mins longer and the changes are easier. Such a shame, then, that everyone is forced to use HEx, and no passengers are allowed to use other ways of getting to the airport. I wonder if someone has figures for HEx, HC and Picc loading from Heathrow. HEx has 4tph, HC has 2tph and the PIcc has at least 12tph in the peaks. Good point - if you just miss a HEx the time advanatge almost disappears. Though, to be fair, the full Picc service is only available from T123; it's only half the frequency from T4 and T5. But then, T4 doesn't have a direct HEx service either, and T5 doesn't get HC. Crossrail will help, but in time, the Picc will also have a more frequent service. |
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On 28.11.14 12:41, CJB wrote:
More expensive per mile than Concorde was ... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/tr...ht-MALAGA.html Southampton to Alderney is probably one of the most expensive flights per mile at about £250 return. |
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minicab drivers. Certainly it is the case that there are some really awful minicab drivers in London who drive dangerously, are rude and/or unhelpful, overcharge and keep neither their cars not themselves clean. Almost every minicab firm in the London area has at least some drivers who do not fit the above description. The prudent customer, when booking the cab, asks that "a nice driver" is allocated to them. If the cab firm is any good, the controller will understand what the customer is worrying about and will provide a decent driver. |
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On 2014-11-29 22:19:01 +0000, Robin9 said:
I assume - please correct me if I'm wrong - that you're referring to some minicab drivers. In London probably yes, and as this is uk.transport.london I should perhaps have been clearer. Outside London it is my experience that it is the black cabs that are generally less reputable. Certainly if anyone is going to try to avoid charging the correct rate in Milton Keynes late at night it's the black cabs. The three main minicab operators (the term "minicab" is a London thing, elsewhere they are referred to as taxis, even if that is technically incorrect) are generally reputable and well-behaved, though you do occasionally encounter the odd exception. Certainly it is the case that there are some really awful minicab drivers in London who drive dangerously, are rude and/or unhelpful, overcharge and keep neither their cars not themselves clean. Almost every minicab firm in the London area has at least some drivers who do not fit the above description. The prudent customer, when booking the cab, asks that "a nice driver" is allocated to them. If the cab firm is any good, the controller will understand what the customer is worrying about and will provide a decent driver. That is laughably ridiculous even if it might work. I shouldn't have to request a driver who complies fully with the law and their contract with their company regarding fares, nor a clean car in a good state of repair. Every driver should do that without being asked. If they don't, they deserve the sack or to be prosecuted, depending on whether they have breached the law or merely their contract. Neil -- Neil Williams Put my first name before the @ to reply. |
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case; and it is definitely the case that most minicab firms in London are so concerned to have as many drivers as possible that they ignore other considerations. In London it is quite common for customers to request a civilized driver when booking a car for a non-local journey. |
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On 01/12/2014 10:33, Robin9 wrote: [...] Certainly it is the case that there are some really awful minicab drivers in London who drive dangerously, are rude and/or unhelpful, overcharge and keep neither their cars not themselves clean. Almost every minicab firm in the London area has at least some drivers who do not fit the above description. The prudent customer, when booking the cab, asks that "a nice driver" is allocated to them. If the cab firm is any good, the controller will understand what the customer is worrying about and will provide a decent driver.- That is laughably ridiculous even if it might work. I shouldn't have to request a driver who complies fully with the law and their contract with their company regarding fares, nor a clean car in a good state of repair. Every driver should do that without being asked. If they don't, they deserve the sack or to be prosecuted, depending on whether they have breached the law or merely their contract. We're not discussing what should be the case. We're discussing what is the case; and it is definitely the case that most minicab firms in London London are so concerned to have as many drivers as possible that they ignore other considerations. In London it is quite common for customers to request a civilized driver when booking a car for a non-local journey. Is it? This is a bit of a new concept to me - "don't send me the psycho please"! |
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On 2014-12-01 10:33:17 +0000, Robin9 said:
In London it is quite common for customers to request a civilized driver when booking a car for a non-local journey. I don't disbelieve you, I just think it's a joke that it is legal and accepted for this to be the case. Neil -- Neil Williams Put my first name before the @ to reply. |
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On 29/11/2014 10:32, Roland Perry wrote:
Robin9 remarked: Roland Perry;145904 Wrote: CJB remarked:- More expensive per mile than Concorde was ... http://tinyurl.com/kt2kplh tickets-cost-return-flight-MALAGA.html- I think you'll find a taxi is even more expensive. If you're travelling alone. If you share the taxi - and the cost- with other people, the cost per person is quite reasonable for the door-to-door convenience. A taxi can also be cheaper than a week's parking at many airports. You usually have to be living fairly close to the airport (and certainly around its nominal names town or city) for that to be the case. I live over 70m from Heathrow. There is no way that a taxi (both ways) can compete with parking at the airport. At least, not just in cost. |
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I think you'll find a taxi is even more expensive. If you're travelling alone. If you share the taxi - and the cost- with other people, the cost per person is quite reasonable for the door-to-door convenience. A taxi can also be cheaper than a week's parking at many airports. You usually have to be living fairly close to the airport (and certainly around its nominal names town or city) for that to be the case. I live over 70m from Heathrow. There is no way that a taxi (both ways) can compete with parking at the airport. At least, not just in cost. Perhaps we need a optimiser ? Cheap parking at the airport often needs an extra car to shuttle bus interchange. So near-to-airport parking plus taxi is worth pricing as is long-term hotel parking included in the overnight rate. And does anyone offer a valet to drive your car from hotel to airport when you leave and park it afterwards ? -- -- Mike D |
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wrote: On 28.11.14 12:41, CJB wrote: More expensive per mile than Concorde was ... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/tr...1805/London-fo ur-five-expensive-airport-transfers-Europe-Heathrow-Express-tops-list-t ickets-cost-return-flight-MALAGA.html Southampton to Alderney is probably one of the most expensive flights per mile at about £250 return. Does WRY to PPW still operate? That might well be the record price. -- Clive D.W. Feather | Home: Mobile: +44 7973 377646 | Web: http://www.davros.org Please reply to the Reply-To address, which is: |
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2014, Michael R N Dolbear remarked: A taxi can also be cheaper than a week's parking at many airports. You usually have to be living fairly close to the airport (and certainly around its nominal names town or city) for that to be the case. I live over 70m from Heathrow. There is no way that a taxi (both ways) can compete with parking at the airport. At least, not just in cost. There's obviously going to be a break-even point, although 140m in a car is going to cost £30 on top of the parking, just counting marginal costs. I looked up long stay parking at Heathrow just now, and it's £145 a week, with an "offer" of £77 at the moment. When I used to fly from Birmingham it was 50m each way and a taxi was cheaper than a week in their mid-stay car park. And of course the car was available for other people to use at home, while I was away. The other solution is for them to give you a lift to the airport, if they have the odd three hours to spare, twice. -- Roland Perry |
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On 02.12.14 7:02, Clive D. W. Feather wrote:
In message , " wrote: On 28.11.14 12:41, CJB wrote: More expensive per mile than Concorde was ... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/tr...1805/London-fo ur-five-expensive-airport-transfers-Europe-Heathrow-Express-tops-list-t ickets-cost-return-flight-MALAGA.html Southampton to Alderney is probably one of the most expensive flights per mile at about £250 return. Does WRY to PPW still operate? That might well be the record price. Yes, it does, though I don't know the price. |
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On Mon, Dec 01, 2014 at 11:33:17AM +0100, Robin9 wrote:
In London it is quite common for customers to request a civilized driver when booking a car for a non-local journey. If it were common I think I would have heard of it at least once in the last nearly twenty years. I haven't. I've heard of cab firms getting requests for drivers of particular races, but that is of course not the same as requesting a driver who knows how to drive and keeps his car clean. -- David Cantrell | Cake Smuggler Extraordinaire Human Rights left unattended may be removed, destroyed, or damaged by the security services. |
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On 02.12.14 7:02, Clive D. W. Feather wrote:
In message , " wrote: On 28.11.14 12:41, CJB wrote: More expensive per mile than Concorde was ... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/tr...1805/London-fo ur-five-expensive-airport-transfers-Europe-Heathrow-Express-tops-list-t ickets-cost-return-flight-MALAGA.html Southampton to Alderney is probably one of the most expensive flights per mile at about £250 return. Does WRY to PPW still operate? That might well be the record price. It wouldn't surprise me if the ticket price from WRY to PPW is much different for locals than for outsiders -- mostly people looking to say that they did the world's shortest flight. I know that residents of Alderney pay a much lower fare to travel by air to Guernsey than non-residents do. The same also applies for flights between St. Pierre and Miquelon. IIRC, the ferry from St. Peter Port to Sark also had a double fare structure. |
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On 02.12.14 7:02, Clive D. W. Feather wrote: In message , " wrote: On 28.11.14 12:41, CJB wrote: More expensive per mile than Concorde was ... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/tr...1805/London-fo ur-five-expensive-airport-transfers-Europe-Heathrow-Express-tops-list-t ickets-cost-return-flight-MALAGA.html Southampton to Alderney is probably one of the most expensive flights per mile at about £250 return. Does WRY to PPW still operate? That might well be the record price. Yes, GBP17 one way: http://www.loganair.co.uk/xtra_files/OrkneyFares.pdf It wouldn't surprise me if the ticket price from WRY to PPW is much different for locals than for outsiders -- mostly people looking to say that they did the world's shortest flight. There's an Island Saver discounted return fare to Kirkwall originating in the North Isles, which you don't get if you do it the other way return. Though the Excursion fare (stay at least one night) is decent value for originating there. Theo |
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On 01/12/2014 20:26, Michael R N Dolbear wrote:
"JNugent" wrote I think you'll find a taxi is even more expensive. If you're travelling alone. If you share the taxi - and the cost- with other people, the cost per person is quite reasonable for the door-to-door convenience. A taxi can also be cheaper than a week's parking at many airports. You usually have to be living fairly close to the airport (and certainly around its nominal names town or city) for that to be the case. I live over 70m from Heathrow. There is no way that a taxi (both ways) can compete with parking at the airport. At least, not just in cost. Perhaps we need a optimiser ? Cheap parking at the airport often needs an extra car to shuttle bus interchange. That (the bus) is always provided at major airport car-parks. So near-to-airport parking plus taxi is worth pricing as is long-term hotel parking included in the overnight rate. Not necessary. And does anyone offer a valet to drive your car from hotel to airport when you leave and park it afterwards ? The place I use offers that as an extra service, at an extra charge. |
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