Bus stop length
 

When the bendybuses were in use, every bus stop that they served was
lengthened to about 100 feet, even those in the middle of nowhere which
were only served by bendybuses at night (such as those at the northern
end of the N29 route). Have any bus stops been shortened since the
bendybuses were removed? Are they waiting until the roads are
re-tarmacked, or are they going to be 100 feet long for ever?

Bus stop length
 

In article , (Basil Jet)
wrote:

When the bendybuses were in use, every bus stop that they served was
lengthened to about 100 feet, even those in the middle of nowhere
which were only served by bendybuses at night (such as those at the
northern end of the N29 route). Have any bus stops been shortened
since the bendybuses were removed? Are they waiting until the roads
are re-tarmacked, or are they going to be 100 feet long for ever?

Who marks the Bus Stops in London? The local highway authority like in the
rest of the country or TfL?

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Bus stop length
 

On 2014-12-17 20:35:01 +0000, Paul Corfield said:

Not sure but TfL recently consulted on the design standards for
accessible bus stops. The document will be on the TfL Consultation
hub. Aha -

https://consultations.tfl.gov.uk/bus...esign-guidance

Interesting that TfL still don't seem to be interested in Kassel kerbs.

Neil
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Bus stop length
 

On 17/12/2014 18:46, wrote:
In article , (Basil Jet)
wrote:

When the bendybuses were in use, every bus stop that they served was
lengthened to about 100 feet, even those in the middle of nowhere
which were only served by bendybuses at night (such as those at the
northern end of the N29 route). Have any bus stops been shortened
since the bendybuses were removed? Are they waiting until the roads
are re-tarmacked, or are they going to be 100 feet long for ever?

Who marks the Bus Stops in London? The local highway authority like in the
rest of the country or TfL?

Transport against London *is* the highway authority.

A corrupt situation.

Bus stop length
 

On 2014\12\18 14:36, JNugent wrote:
On 17/12/2014 18:46, wrote:
In article , (Basil
Jet)
wrote:

When the bendybuses were in use, every bus stop that they served was
lengthened to about 100 feet, even those in the middle of nowhere
which were only served by bendybuses at night (such as those at the
northern end of the N29 route). Have any bus stops been shortened
since the bendybuses were removed? Are they waiting until the roads
are re-tarmacked, or are they going to be 100 feet long for ever?

Who marks the Bus Stops in London? The local highway authority like in
the
rest of the country or TfL?

Transport against London *is* the highway authority.

Only on the red routes.

A corrupt situation.

Eh?

Bus stop length
 

On 18/12/2014 14:36, JNugent wrote:

On 17/12/2014 18:46, wrote:
[...]
Who marks the Bus Stops in London? The local highway authority like in
the rest of the country or TfL?

Transport against London *is* the highway authority.

A corrupt situation.

Ridiculous comment, absent of any meaning.

Bus stop length
 

On 18/12/2014 14:58, Basil Jet wrote:
On 2014\12\18 14:36, JNugent wrote:
On 17/12/2014 18:46, wrote:
In article , (Basil
Jet)
wrote:

When the bendybuses were in use, every bus stop that they served was
lengthened to about 100 feet, even those in the middle of nowhere
which were only served by bendybuses at night (such as those at the
northern end of the N29 route). Have any bus stops been shortened
since the bendybuses were removed? Are they waiting until the roads
are re-tarmacked, or are they going to be 100 feet long for ever?

Who marks the Bus Stops in London? The local highway authority like in
the
rest of the country or TfL?

Transport against London *is* the highway authority.

Only on the red routes.

A corrupt situation.

Eh?

That the operator/regulator of a particular class of transport has the
ability to elbow all other road-users aside, giving preference to its
own vehicles, is outrageous.

There is no-one with a brief for the needs of travellers in or one other
road-modes. Car-users, in particular, are treated abominably in London.

If this were a private company (Stagecoach, for instance) the usual
suspects would up on their hind legs braying of corruption.

Highway authorities should be kept quite separate from PT authorities,
as well as being given a clear duty to cater for all travellers and to
maximise capacity within their budget.

Bus stop length
 

On 18/12/2014 16:47, Paul Corfield wrote:
On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 14:36:27 +0000, JNugent
wrote:

On 17/12/2014 18:46, wrote:
In article , (Basil Jet)
wrote:

When the bendybuses were in use, every bus stop that they served was
lengthened to about 100 feet, even those in the middle of nowhere
which were only served by bendybuses at night (such as those at the
northern end of the N29 route). Have any bus stops been shortened
since the bendybuses were removed? Are they waiting until the roads
are re-tarmacked, or are they going to be 100 feet long for ever?

Who marks the Bus Stops in London? The local highway authority like in the
rest of the country or TfL?

Transport against London *is* the highway authority.

A corrupt situation.

Hardly given the small proportion of the road network TfL actually
manage.

The boroughs have the lion's share.

Look at the last few pages of the document below - it lists out who is
responsible for what on the road network.

https://consultations.tfl.gov.uk/str...May%202011.pdf

Have you tried driving (a car) along any of London's major arteries
recently?

Bus stop length
 

On 18/12/2014 17:16, Mizter T wrote:

On 18/12/2014 14:36, JNugent wrote:

On 17/12/2014 18:46, wrote:
[...]
Who marks the Bus Stops in London? The local highway authority like in
the rest of the country or TfL?

Transport against London *is* the highway authority.

A corrupt situation.

Ridiculous comment, absent of any meaning.

That you cannot agree that the current situation is a corrupting process
simply means that you approve of it.

Bus stop length
 

On 19/12/2014 15:32, JNugent wrote:

On 18/12/2014 17:16, Mizter T wrote:

On 18/12/2014 14:36, JNugent wrote:

On 17/12/2014 18:46, wrote:
[...]
Who marks the Bus Stops in London? The local highway authority like in
the rest of the country or TfL?

Transport against London *is* the highway authority.

A corrupt situation.

Ridiculous comment, absent of any meaning.

That you cannot agree that the current situation is a corrupting process
simply means that you approve of it.

I do. I've read your explanation of your comments in your other post,
and I think it's utterly absurd and wrong-headed (your explanation, not
the situation).

Bus stop length
 

On 19/12/2014 16:34, Mizter T wrote:

On 19/12/2014 15:32, JNugent wrote:

On 18/12/2014 17:16, Mizter T wrote:

On 18/12/2014 14:36, JNugent wrote:

On 17/12/2014 18:46, wrote:
[...]
Who marks the Bus Stops in London? The local highway authority like in
the rest of the country or TfL?

Transport against London *is* the highway authority.

A corrupt situation.

Ridiculous comment, absent of any meaning.

That you cannot agree that the current situation is a corrupting process
simply means that you approve of it.

I do...

I knew it.

Bus stop length
 

On 19/12/2014 16:59, JNugent wrote:

On 19/12/2014 16:34, Mizter T wrote:
[...]
Who marks the Bus Stops in London? The local highway authority
like in the rest of the country or TfL?

Transport against London *is* the highway authority.

A corrupt situation.

Ridiculous comment, absent of any meaning.

That you cannot agree that the current situation is a corrupting process
simply means that you approve of it.

I do...

I knew it.

Of course, I don't think it's corrupt in the slightest.

Bus stop length
 

On 19/12/2014 17:50, Mizter T wrote:

On 19/12/2014 16:59, JNugent wrote:
On 19/12/2014 16:34, Mizter T wrote:
[...]

Who marks the Bus Stops in London? The local highway authority
like in the rest of the country or TfL?

Transport against London *is* the highway authority.
A corrupt situation.

Ridiculous comment, absent of any meaning.

That you cannot agree that the current situation is a corrupting
process simply means that you approve of it.

I do...

I knew it.

Of course, I don't think it's corrupt in the slightest.

I see what you mean... one competing provider in the market has a whip
hand over all the other competitors and has the power to obliterate
their access to the highway... what could possibly go wrong?

What is the opposite of preaching to the converted? I suspect in this
forum you're preaching to an unsympathetic congregation. For what it's
worth, I agree with you completely. I am a motorist and I regard TfL
as the enemy. I have done since about six months after they started.

Bus stop length
 

"JNugent" wrote in message
...
On 19/12/2014 17:50, Mizter T wrote:

On 19/12/2014 16:59, JNugent wrote:
On 19/12/2014 16:34, Mizter T wrote:
[...]

Who marks the Bus Stops in London? The local highway authority
like in the rest of the country or TfL?

Transport against London *is* the highway authority.
A corrupt situation.

Ridiculous comment, absent of any meaning.

That you cannot agree that the current situation is a corrupting
process simply means that you approve of it.

I do...

I knew it.

Of course, I don't think it's corrupt in the slightest.

I see what you mean... one competing provider in the market has a whip
hand over all the other competitors and has the power to obliterate their
access to the highway... what could possibly go wrong?

just because they can abuse this position doesn't mean that they will
what examples of actual abuse here do you have?

tim

Bus stop length
 

On 19/12/2014 23:07, tim..... wrote:

"JNugent" wrote in message
...
On 19/12/2014 17:50, Mizter T wrote:

On 19/12/2014 16:59, JNugent wrote:
On 19/12/2014 16:34, Mizter T wrote:
[...]

Who marks the Bus Stops in London? The local highway authority
like in the rest of the country or TfL?

Transport against London *is* the highway authority.
A corrupt situation.

Ridiculous comment, absent of any meaning.

That you cannot agree that the current situation is a corrupting
process simply means that you approve of it.

I do...

I knew it.

Of course, I don't think it's corrupt in the slightest.

I see what you mean... one competing provider in the market has a whip
hand over all the other competitors and has the power to obliterate
their access to the highway... what could possibly go wrong?

just because they can abuse this position doesn't mean that they will
what examples of actual abuse here do you have?

You seem very trusting of oppressive dictators.

Have you never heard the name "Livingstone"?

Bus stop length
 

On 19/12/2014 22:53, Paul Corfield wrote:
On Fri, 19 Dec 2014 15:30:52 +0000, JNugent
wrote:

On 18/12/2014 16:47, Paul Corfield wrote:
On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 14:36:27 +0000, JNugent
wrote:

On 17/12/2014 18:46, wrote:
In article , (Basil Jet)
wrote:

When the bendybuses were in use, every bus stop that they served was
lengthened to about 100 feet, even those in the middle of nowhere
which were only served by bendybuses at night (such as those at the
northern end of the N29 route). Have any bus stops been shortened
since the bendybuses were removed? Are they waiting until the roads
are re-tarmacked, or are they going to be 100 feet long for ever?

Who marks the Bus Stops in London? The local highway authority like in the
rest of the country or TfL?

Transport against London *is* the highway authority.

A corrupt situation.

Hardly given the small proportion of the road network TfL actually
manage.

The boroughs have the lion's share.

Look at the last few pages of the document below - it lists out who is
responsible for what on the road network.

https://consultations.tfl.gov.uk/str...May%202011.pdf

Have you tried driving (a car) along any of London's major arteries
recently?

No but I don't see how that remark automatically means TfL are a
corrupt organisation which is what you implied. There is no point in
turning London's roads into motorways given the decline in car usage
over the last decade.

Do you think that having £10 a day purloined from your bank account
might have an effect on "car usage"?

Bus stop length
 

On 19/12/2014 18:38, JNugent wrote:

On 19/12/2014 17:50, Mizter T wrote:
[...]
Transport against London *is* the highway authority.
A corrupt situation.

Ridiculous comment, absent of any meaning.

That you cannot agree that the current situation is a corrupting
process simply means that you approve of it.

I do...

I knew it.

Of course, I don't think it's corrupt in the slightest.

I see what you mean... one competing provider in the market has a whip
hand over all the other competitors and has the power to obliterate
their access to the highway... what could possibly go wrong?

An awful lot if you had your way. Thankfully, you don't!

Bus stop length
 

On 18/12/2014 00:13, Neil Williams wrote:

On 2014-12-17 20:35:01 +0000, Paul Corfield said:
Not sure but TfL recently consulted on the design standards for
accessible bus stops. The document will be on the TfL Consultation
hub. Aha -

https://consultations.tfl.gov.uk/bus...esign-guidance

Interesting that TfL still don't seem to be interested in Kassel kerbs.

A number of London bus stops do have them.

Who has suggested turning London's roads into motorways?

Bus stop length
 

On 2014-12-22 08:03:52 +0000, Mizter T said:

A number of London bus stops do have them.

Though not many compared with other cities.

Neil
--
Neil Williams
Put my first name before the @ to reply.

Kassel_kerb was Bus stop length
 

"Neil Williams" wrote

On 2014-12-22 08:03:52 +0000, Mizter T said:

A number of London bus stops do have them.

Though not many compared with other cities.

Unfamiliar term to me though I recognise the item visually.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kassel_kerb


--
Mike D

Bus stop length
 

On 22.12.14 8:03, Mizter T wrote:

On 18/12/2014 00:13, Neil Williams wrote:

On 2014-12-17 20:35:01 +0000, Paul Corfield said:
Not sure but TfL recently consulted on the design standards for
accessible bus stops. The document will be on the TfL Consultation
hub. Aha -

https://consultations.tfl.gov.uk/bus...esign-guidance


Interesting that TfL still don't seem to be interested in Kassel kerbs.

A number of London bus stops do have them.

I wonder if there has been either in London, or anywhere else in Europe,
which requires activation of a lamp or any sort of signal beacon to let
a bus or even train know that there are passengers wishing to board at a
particular stop.

Bus stop length
 

On 2014-12-22 15:16:39 +0000, said:

I wonder if there has been either in London, or anywhere else in
Europe, which requires activation of a lamp or any sort of signal
beacon to let a bus or even train know that there are passengers
wishing to board at a particular stop.

Yes, you get that in the Netherlands at bus stops on main roads
sometimes. The Swiss also have a similar system at some railway
request stops, e.g. on the Vevey-Puidoux "Train des Vignes".

Neil
--
Neil Williams
Put my first name before the @ to reply.

Bus stop length
 

On Mon, 22 Dec 2014 15:16:39 +0000, "
wrote:

I wonder if there has been either in London, or anywhere else in Europe,
which requires activation of a lamp or any sort of signal beacon to let
a bus or even train know that there are passengers wishing to board at a
particular stop.

The stop named Kopstadkrysset on the Nor-Way Bus Express line 190
(Kristiansand - Oslo) has such an arrangement. Passengers press a
button at the stop and a signal is lit on the main road.

Reference (Norwegian only):
http://www.nor-way.no/artikler-for-k...3697-5075.html

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jhk