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December 19th 14, 11:37 AM
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December 19th 14, 12:37 PM
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On Fri, 19 Dec 2014 05:37:22 -0600
wrote: In article , d () wrote: Still, at least looking at pictures of the trains someone had enough sense to specify 3 sets of doors per carraige, unlike the dorks who specified the 378s on the Overground. They followed the design of the 376s of course, though they were 5-car from the start. The point was that no-one foresaw how busy London Overground would become. Well they should have done really. A short cut from north london to canary wharf (almost) and south of the river via the up and coming areas of Hoxton and Shoreditch I would have thought would be a dead cert for packed trains. -- Spud |
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December 19th 14, 12:39 PM
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On Fri, 19 Dec 2014 11:39:24 +0000
Graeme Wall wrote: On 19/12/2014 11:31, d wrote: On Fri, 19 Dec 2014 11:12:02 +0000 Graeme Wall wrote: On 19/12/2014 09:10, d wrote: Probably moot anyway since the usual lack of foresight means the trains are going to be the standard tiny UK gauge UK gauge is identical to most of the continent. Loading gauge, not track gauge you numpty. Numpty yourself :-) Gauge on its own is taken to mean track gauge in railway terms. Context Watson! Its all about context! -- Spud |
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December 19th 14, 03:01 PM
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() wrote: On Fri, 19 Dec 2014 05:37:22 -0600 wrote: In article , d () wrote: Still, at least looking at pictures of the trains someone had enough sense to specify 3 sets of doors per carraige, unlike the dorks who specified the 378s on the Overground. They followed the design of the 376s of course, though they were 5-car from the start. The point was that no-one foresaw how busy London Overground would become. Well they should have done really. A short cut from north london to canary wharf (almost) and south of the river via the up and coming areas of Hoxton and Shoreditch I would have thought would be a dead cert for packed trains. You have obviously missed your vocation as a seer. -- Colin Rosenstiel |
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December 19th 14, 04:39 PM
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On 19.12.14 11:12, Graeme Wall wrote:
On 19/12/2014 09:10, d wrote: On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 21:26:00 +0000 (UTC) Recliner wrote: wrote: On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 16:55:26 +0000 (UTC) Recliner wrote: Pity the trains won't be sized to match them. RER style double decker trains would be perfect for this route. Given how many billions its cost for the tunnels, I can't see why raising a few bridges on the pre-existing lines would be such a big deal. Perhaps it's planning for the future? The running tunnels are sized for normal UK-gauge trains. Obviously the station tunnels are larger. From the cross sections I've seen the running tunnels are considerably larger than normal UK tunnels. Perhaps to allow for a walkway, as with other modern tunnels? I don't think they're large enough for UIC gauge. Probably moot anyway since the usual lack of foresight means the trains are going to be the standard tiny UK gauge UK gauge is identical to most of the continent. With the exception of the Iberian Peninsula, Ireland, Finland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Belarus, Russia, Ukraine, as well as parts of Italy, France, Poland, Slovakia and Bulgaria. |
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December 19th 14, 04:58 PM
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On 19/12/2014 16:39, wrote:
On 19.12.14 11:12, Graeme Wall wrote: On 19/12/2014 09:10, d wrote: On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 21:26:00 +0000 (UTC) Recliner wrote: wrote: On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 16:55:26 +0000 (UTC) Recliner wrote: Pity the trains won't be sized to match them. RER style double decker trains would be perfect for this route. Given how many billions its cost for the tunnels, I can't see why raising a few bridges on the pre-existing lines would be such a big deal. Perhaps it's planning for the future? The running tunnels are sized for normal UK-gauge trains. Obviously the station tunnels are larger. From the cross sections I've seen the running tunnels are considerably larger than normal UK tunnels. Perhaps to allow for a walkway, as with other modern tunnels? I don't think they're large enough for UIC gauge. Probably moot anyway since the usual lack of foresight means the trains are going to be the standard tiny UK gauge UK gauge is identical to most of the continent. With the exception of the Iberian Peninsula, Ireland, Finland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Belarus, Russia, Ukraine, as well as parts of Italy, France, Poland, Slovakia and Bulgaria. Also Wales. -- Graeme Wall This account not read, substitute trains for rail. Railway Miscellany at http://www.greywall.demon.co.uk/rail |
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December 19th 14, 04:59 PM
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On Fri, 19 Dec 2014 09:01:10 -0600
wrote: In article , d () wrote: On Fri, 19 Dec 2014 05:37:22 -0600 wrote: In article , d () wrote: Still, at least looking at pictures of the trains someone had enough sense to specify 3 sets of doors per carraige, unlike the dorks who specified the 378s on the Overground. They followed the design of the 376s of course, though they were 5-car from the start. The point was that no-one foresaw how busy London Overground would become. Well they should have done really. A short cut from north london to canary wharf (almost) and south of the river via the up and coming areas of Hoxton and Shoreditch I would have thought would be a dead cert for packed trains. You have obviously missed your vocation as a seer. Oh come on, this is a "new" metro line in London linking to a huge business district, not some speculative tram system in a midlands town. Anyone who didn't see it coming was frankly an idiot. -- Spud |
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December 19th 14, 05:52 PM
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On 19.12.14 16:58, Graeme Wall wrote:
On 19/12/2014 16:39, wrote: On 19.12.14 11:12, Graeme Wall wrote: On 19/12/2014 09:10, d wrote: On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 21:26:00 +0000 (UTC) Recliner wrote: wrote: On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 16:55:26 +0000 (UTC) Recliner wrote: Pity the trains won't be sized to match them. RER style double decker trains would be perfect for this route. Given how many billions its cost for the tunnels, I can't see why raising a few bridges on the pre-existing lines would be such a big deal. Perhaps it's planning for the future? The running tunnels are sized for normal UK-gauge trains. Obviously the station tunnels are larger. From the cross sections I've seen the running tunnels are considerably larger than normal UK tunnels. Perhaps to allow for a walkway, as with other modern tunnels? I don't think they're large enough for UIC gauge. Probably moot anyway since the usual lack of foresight means the trains are going to be the standard tiny UK gauge UK gauge is identical to most of the continent. With the exception of the Iberian Peninsula, Ireland, Finland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Belarus, Russia, Ukraine, as well as parts of Italy, France, Poland, Slovakia and Bulgaria. Also Wales. How so in the case of Wales? |
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December 19th 14, 07:14 PM
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On 19/12/2014 17:52, wrote:
On 19.12.14 16:58, Graeme Wall wrote: On 19/12/2014 16:39, wrote: On 19.12.14 11:12, Graeme Wall wrote: On 19/12/2014 09:10, d wrote: On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 21:26:00 +0000 (UTC) Recliner wrote: wrote: On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 16:55:26 +0000 (UTC) Recliner wrote: Pity the trains won't be sized to match them. RER style double decker trains would be perfect for this route. Given how many billions its cost for the tunnels, I can't see why raising a few bridges on the pre-existing lines would be such a big deal. Perhaps it's planning for the future? The running tunnels are sized for normal UK-gauge trains. Obviously the station tunnels are larger. From the cross sections I've seen the running tunnels are considerably larger than normal UK tunnels. Perhaps to allow for a walkway, as with other modern tunnels? I don't think they're large enough for UIC gauge. Probably moot anyway since the usual lack of foresight means the trains are going to be the standard tiny UK gauge UK gauge is identical to most of the continent. With the exception of the Iberian Peninsula, Ireland, Finland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Belarus, Russia, Ukraine, as well as parts of Italy, France, Poland, Slovakia and Bulgaria. Also Wales. How so in the case of Wales? Tallyllyn, Festiniog, Snowdon Mountain, etc -- Graeme Wall This account not read, substitute trains for rail. Railway Miscellany at http://www.greywall.demon.co.uk/rail |
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