One faulty train at Hoxton has knocked out the entire Highbury-New
Cross-Clapham-West Croydon-Crystal Place network.

E.

. . . which suggests that they need a turn-round capability or two elsewhere
on the line. As trains run at about six minutes intervals on that stretch, this
would involve very smart working. My guess is that L.O. will consider it more
trouble than it's worth.

On Wed, 4 Mar 2015 10:21:13 +0100
Robin9 wrote:
'eastender[_5_ Wrote:
;147051']One faulty train at Hoxton has knocked out the entire
Highbury-New
Cross-Clapham-West Croydon-Crystal Place network.

E.

. . . which suggests that they need a turn-round capability or two
elsewhere
on the line. As trains run at about six minutes intervals on that
stretch, this
would involve very smart working. My guess is that L.O. will consider it
more
trouble than it's worth.

How much hassle it is for them should be irrelevant. Convenience for the
travelling public should be their first and foremost priority. But thats
obviously in an ideal world, the real world where people can't be arsed is
another matter.

--
Spud

wrote:
On Wed, 4 Mar 2015 10:21:13 +0100
Robin9 wrote:
'eastender[_5_ Wrote:
;147051']One faulty train at Hoxton has knocked out the entire
Highbury-New
Cross-Clapham-West Croydon-Crystal Place network.

E.

. . . which suggests that they need a turn-round capability or two
elsewhere
on the line. As trains run at about six minutes intervals on that
stretch, this
would involve very smart working. My guess is that L.O. will consider it
more
trouble than it's worth.

How much hassle it is for them should be irrelevant. Convenience for the
travelling public should be their first and foremost priority. But thats
obviously in an ideal world, the real world where people can't be arsed is
another matter.

It would probably be more useful to either reduce the chances of a fault
grounding a train, or making it easier for another train to rescue it.

d wrote:
On Wed, 4 Mar 2015 10:21:13 +0100
Robin9 wrote:
'eastender[_5_ Wrote:
;147051']One faulty train at Hoxton has knocked out the entire
Highbury-New
Cross-Clapham-West Croydon-Crystal Place network.

E.

. . . which suggests that they need a turn-round capability or two
elsewhere
on the line. As trains run at about six minutes intervals on that
stretch, this
would involve very smart working. My guess is that L.O. will
consider it more
trouble than it's worth.

How much hassle it is for them should be irrelevant. Convenience for
the travelling public should be their first and foremost priority.
But thats obviously in an ideal world, the real world where people
can't be arsed is another matter.

I had assumed that "trouble" was shorthand for "significant works
requiring corresponding funds for both capital and on-going, current
expenditure". If so, I am one London taxpayer and traveller who is glad
they don't take a "money no object" approach.
--
Robin
reply to address is (meant to be) valid

On Wed, 4 Mar 2015 12:50:34 -0000
"Robin" wrote:
wrote:
How much hassle it is for them should be irrelevant. Convenience for
the travelling public should be their first and foremost priority.
But thats obviously in an ideal world, the real world where people
can't be arsed is another matter.

I had assumed that "trouble" was shorthand for "significant works
requiring corresponding funds for both capital and on-going, current
expenditure". If so, I am one London taxpayer and traveller who is glad
they don't take a "money no object" approach.

If there are no sets of reversing points between new cross and dalston
junction them someone ****ed up badly in the track design and they need to
put some in in case this sort of thing happens again.

--
Spud

wrote:
On Wed, 4 Mar 2015 12:50:34 -0000
"Robin" wrote:
d wrote:
How much hassle it is for them should be irrelevant. Convenience for
the travelling public should be their first and foremost priority.
But thats obviously in an ideal world, the real world where people
can't be arsed is another matter.

I had assumed that "trouble" was shorthand for "significant works
requiring corresponding funds for both capital and on-going, current
expenditure". If so, I am one London taxpayer and traveller who is glad
they don't take a "money no object" approach.

If there are no sets of reversing points between new cross and dalston
junction them someone ****ed up badly in the track design and they need to
put some in in case this sort of thing happens again.

I think there's crossovers at Shadwell and Canada Water.

On Wed, 04 Mar 2015 16:02:12 +0000
Paul Corfield wrote:
Clearly there are several places where there are crossovers but the
intensity of the service is such that you'd probably have trains at

I'm not sure I'd describe the service as "intense". One train every 3 to 5
minutes (in reality, never mind the timetable) is hardly at victoria line
levels.

The other difficulty will be the ripple effect if Overground trains
are forced to sit still on shared sections of track thereby buggering
up Southern and South Eastern services into London Bridge / Victoria /
Blackfriars. Services into London Bridge are regularly a complete
disaster and that has transferred vast numbers on to London Overground
and Jubilee Line services.

Was a stupid idea to extend onto NR tracks anyway as it means the overground
timetable is frequently up the bloody spout. One of the reasons I gave up
using it along with the nonsensical reversing of 2 out of 3 trains at Dalston
so providing a **** poor service to Highbury where 80% of northbound passangers
actually want to go.

--
Spud

On 04/03/2015 16:29, d wrote:

On Wed, 04 Mar 2015 16:02:12 +0000
Paul Corfield wrote:
Clearly there are several places where there are crossovers but the
intensity of the service is such that you'd probably have trains at

I'm not sure I'd describe the service as "intense". One train every 3 to 5
minutes (in reality, never mind the timetable) is hardly at victoria line
levels.

The other difficulty will be the ripple effect if Overground trains
are forced to sit still on shared sections of track thereby buggering
up Southern and South Eastern services into London Bridge / Victoria /
Blackfriars. Services into London Bridge are regularly a complete
disaster and that has transferred vast numbers on to London Overground
and Jubilee Line services.

Was a stupid idea to extend onto NR tracks anyway as it means the overground
timetable is frequently up the bloody spout. One of the reasons I gave up
using it along with the nonsensical reversing of 2 out of 3 trains at Dalston
so providing a **** poor service to Highbury where 80% of northbound passangers
actually want to go.

IME the Overground timetable is not "frequently up the bloody spout".

On 03/03/2015 18:31, eastender wrote:
One faulty train at Hoxton has knocked out the entire Highbury-New
Cross-Clapham-West Croydon-Crystal Place network.


I received the following email from TfL this afternoon, with the subject
of"London Overground services yesterday evening":

---quote---
Dear Mizter T,

I am writing to apologise for the major disruption to London Overground
services yesterday evening, Tuesday 3 March.

Our services were significantly disrupted by a southbound train failure
at Hoxton on the Highbury & Islington to Clapham Junction line. As a
result, many trains were cancelled or delayed.

We are examining the train to find the root cause of the failure and
what can be done to prevent such significant disruption happening again.

As this fault was within our control, you can apply for a service delay
refund. You must do this within the next 13 days. For more information,
please visit tfl.gov.uk/refunds


Yours sincerely,
Mike Stubbs
Director London Overground, Transport for London
---quote---