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On 09/04/2015 18:17, wrote:

In article ,
(Roland Perry) wrote:
[...]
And what with students in those days probably being from a 4yr
O-level stream, not having gap years, and almost always on a 3yr
degree course, not very many undergrads would have been over-21
anyway.

Not exactly. All Cambridge students

Not all students went to Oxbridge. Difficult to imagine, I know.

True but note which newsgroup we are in.

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In article , (Mizter T) wrote:

On 09/04/2015 18:17, wrote:

In article ,
(Roland Perry) wrote:
[...]
And what with students in those days probably being from a 4yr
O-level stream, not having gap years, and almost always on a 3yr
degree course, not very many undergrads would have been over-21
anyway.

Not exactly. All Cambridge students

Not all students went to Oxbridge. Difficult to imagine, I know.

True but note which newsgroup we are in.

uk.transport.london

Oops! Seeing Roland I forgot it was not a cam. group!

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In message , at 12:17:17
on Thu, 9 Apr 2015, remarked:

I came of age on 1 January 1970, between 18 and 21. My 21st birthday was at
the start of my third year.

You said the old rule put people on the register in October - so only a
couple of month's worth of each academic year intake.

Under that rule I would not have been able to register until four months
after graduating. And that's having taken a "gappy year". For most
University students the October-after-they-became-21 would be after they
graduated, even if born between 1st Sept and whatever the date in
October was.

I've also found some commentary that says University Students were only
allowed to vote in their Uni town after a case brought by Churchill
College [after, I'm not sure how much after] 1/1/1970.
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In article , (Roland
Perry) wrote:

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12:17:17 on Thu, 9 Apr 2015, remarked:

I came of age on 1 January 1970, between 18 and 21. My 21st birthday was
at the start of my third year.

You said the old rule put people on the register in October - so only
a couple of month's worth of each academic year intake.

Under that rule I would not have been able to register until four
months after graduating. And that's having taken a "gappy year". For
most University students the October-after-they-became-21 would be
after they graduated, even if born between 1st Sept and whatever the
date in October was.

I've also found some commentary that says University Students were
only allowed to vote in their Uni town after a case brought by
Churchill College [after, I'm not sure how much after] 1/1/1970.

Only people already 21 on 10th October were registered so they could vote
the following May. My birthday is after 10th October so would not have been
on the register, even in my third year.

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Roland Perry wrote:

Under that rule I would not have been able to register until four months
after graduating. And that's having taken a "gappy year". For most
University students the October-after-they-became-21 would be after they
graduated, even if born between 1st Sept and whatever the date in October
was.

The market is shifting these days for all manner of reasons such that I
suspect most would now be caught for everything from four year courses to
those taking a year out (now more for raising finances than anything else)
to a growth in the mature and postgraduate market. A few years ago I saw an
academic making a traditional assumption about the majority of first year
students being too young to remember X and checked the UCAS figures (which
don't catch all matures) and it suggested said academic doesn't spend much
time on campus.

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In article ,
(Tim Roll-Pickering) wrote:

Roland Perry wrote:

Under that rule I would not have been able to register until four
months after graduating. And that's having taken a "gappy year".
For most University students the October-after-they-became-21 would
be after they graduated, even if born between 1st Sept and whatever
the date in October was.

The market is shifting these days for all manner of reasons such that
I suspect most would now be caught for everything from four year
courses to those taking a year out (now more for raising finances
than anything else) to a growth in the mature and postgraduate
market. A few years ago I saw an academic making a traditional
assumption about the majority of first year students being too young
to remember X and checked the UCAS figures (which don't catch all
matures) and it suggested said academic doesn't spend much time on
campus.

Until the early 60s most male students (other than medics) were older
because they had to do National Service first.

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In article ,
(Tim Roll-Pickering) wrote:

Roland Perry wrote:

Under that rule I would not have been able to register until four
months after graduating. And that's having taken a "gappy year".
For most University students the October-after-they-became-21 would
be after they graduated, even if born between 1st Sept and whatever
the date in October was.

The market is shifting these days for all manner of reasons such that
I suspect most would now be caught for everything from four year
courses to those taking a year out (now more for raising finances
than anything else) to a growth in the mature and postgraduate
market. A few years ago I saw an academic making a traditional
assumption about the majority of first year students being too young
to remember X and checked the UCAS figures (which don't catch all
matures) and it suggested said academic doesn't spend much time on
campus.

Until the early 60s most male students (other than medics) were older
because they had to do National Service first.

I don't think that's true

I used to work with (actually was managed by) a guy who had done his degree
first and was then "eligible" for National Service.

And in order to avoid that National Service (because he was of telly-tubby
proportions) he took a job with a defence contractor which made him exempt

tim

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wrote:

Until the early 60s most male students (other than medics) were older
because they had to do National Service first.

I don't think that's true

I used to work with (actually was managed by) a guy who had done his
degree
first and was then "eligible" for National Service.

ISTR that it was some of those who were the last to do National
Service and had to do so after the date it had stopped for those who
had not been called up by the time it ended at the end of 1960,
Those who had been allowed to defer it when called up to complete
their studies were not let off and had to fulfil the requirement.

ISTR reading that National Service could call at any point. The universities
hated it because students could get called up mid year, creating chaos for
courses and planning places for the following year. The deferral may have
been introduced to filter out this problem.

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In article ,
(Tim Roll-Pickering) wrote:

Roland Perry wrote:

Under that rule I would not have been able to register until four
months after graduating. And that's having taken a "gappy year".
For most University students the October-after-they-became-21 would
be after they graduated, even if born between 1st Sept and whatever
the date in October was.

The market is shifting these days for all manner of reasons such that
I suspect most would now be caught for everything from four year
courses to those taking a year out (now more for raising finances
than anything else) to a growth in the mature and postgraduate
market. A few years ago I saw an academic making a traditional
assumption about the majority of first year students being too young
to remember X and checked the UCAS figures (which don't catch all
matures) and it suggested said academic doesn't spend much time on
campus.

Until the early 60s most male students (other than medics) were older
because they had to do National Service first.

I don't think that's true

I used to work with (actually was managed by) a guy who had done his
degree first and was then "eligible" for National Service.

And in order to avoid that National Service (because he was of
telly-tubby proportions) he took a job with a defence contractor
which made him exempt

My source was a friend, now dead, who was a contemporary at Sidney Sussex
College, Cambridge with David Owen who lived across the corridor. He said
Owen was the exception who had not already done National Service.

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In message , at 19:41:26 on Sat, 11
Apr 2015, Tim Roll-Pickering remarked:
Under that rule I would not have been able to register until four months
after graduating. And that's having taken a "gappy year". For most
University students the October-after-they-became-21 would be after they
graduated, even if born between 1st Sept and whatever the date in October
was.

The market is shifting these days for all manner of reasons such that I
suspect most would now be caught for everything from four year courses to
those taking a year out (now more for raising finances than anything else)
to a growth in the mature and postgraduate market.

I'd add "taking five years to GCSE" onto that as well.

But remember that my original calculation required *at least one* of the
three 'delay factors' for a student to be 21 in their final year, and
according to Colin, to qualify to vote your birthday would have to be
before October, so even then most students wouldn't be eligible.
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