In message , at 13:21:04
on Tue, 14 Apr 2015, remarked:

It's modern paranoia about child
protection that's scaring off universities that's much harder to handle.

Why is it more difficult than schools (boarding schools if you like).

They're not geared up for it, given that only a tiny minority of students
are affected.

Since when did sex offenders only go after 17yr olds and not 18yr olds?
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Roland Perry

In uk.transport.london message A_-dnZGBpahDL7TInZ2dnUVZ8jidnZ2d@giganew
s.com, Sat, 11 Apr 2015 18:48:46,
posted:

In article ,
(tim.....) wrote:

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In article ,
(Tim Roll-Pickering) wrote:

Roland Perry wrote:

Under that rule I would not have been able to register until four
months after graduating. And that's having taken a "gappy year".
For most University students the October-after-they-became-21 would
be after they graduated, even if born between 1st Sept and whatever
the date in October was.

The market is shifting these days for all manner of reasons such that
I suspect most would now be caught for everything from four year
courses to those taking a year out (now more for raising finances
than anything else) to a growth in the mature and postgraduate
market. A few years ago I saw an academic making a traditional
assumption about the majority of first year students being too young
to remember X and checked the UCAS figures (which don't catch all
matures) and it suggested said academic doesn't spend much time on
campus.

Until the early 60s most male students (other than medics) were older
because they had to do National Service first.

I don't think that's true

See
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Cleese#Early_life_and_education,
para 3. He was over three years older than the youngest of his College
intake, who did not do N.S.


I used to work with (actually was managed by) a guy who had done his
degree first and was then "eligible" for National Service.

And in order to avoid that National Service (because he was of
telly-tubby proportions) he took a job with a defence contractor
which made him exempt

My source was a friend, now dead, who was a contemporary at Sidney Sussex
College, Cambridge with David Owen who lived across the corridor. He said
Owen was the exception who had not already done National Service.


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In article id,
lid (Dr J R Stockton) wrote:

In uk.transport.london message
, Sat, 11 Apr 2015
18:48:46, posted:

In article ,
(tim.....) wrote:

wrote in message
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Until the early 60s most male students (other than medics) were older
because they had to do National Service first.

I don't think that's true

See
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Cleese#Early_life_and_education,
para 3. He was over three years older than the youngest of his College
intake, who did not do N.S.

3 years wasn't that hard even without N.S. I passed 19 within my first month
at Cambridge while Simon Norton came up at 16.

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Colin Rosenstiel

In message id, at
23:44:47 on Tue, 14 Apr 2015, Dr J R Stockton
..uk.invalid remarked:
Until the early 60s most male students (other than medics) were older
because they had to do National Service first.

I don't think that's true

See
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Cleese#Early_life_and_education,
para 3. He was over three years older than the youngest of his College
intake, who did not do N.S.

So he took two gap years, having also spent a year doing Cambridge
scholarship exams. What does this one person's history tell us about the
general case?

Incidentally, I don't think Footlights would have had a stall at the
Society's Fair, because it was invitation-only; but a much overlooked
club called CULES (Cambridge University Light Entertainment Society)
did. I joined the latter as a stage-hand (I had spent quite a bit of
time working in sound/lighting backstage previously) and looking at the
scripts which were performed it was clear that much of the material had
been written by the future ISERTA crowd, who progressed from CULES to
Footlights.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambrid...ntertainment_S
ociety
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Roland Perry

On 2015-04-14 17:26:14 +0000, Clank said:

(I've had an enhanced CRB - it's not a difficult process, but it is a
paperwork ballache, it costs a not insignificant amount, and it is slow.)

The latter not any more. The last 2 I had processed (for Scouting)
took 2 business days each once sent to the DBS.

Neil
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Neil Williams wrote:
On 2015-04-14 17:26:14 +0000, Clank said:

(I've had an enhanced CRB - it's not a difficult process, but it is a
paperwork ballache, it costs a not insignificant amount, and it is slow.)

The latter not any more. The last 2 I had processed (for Scouting) took
2 business days each once sent to the DBS.

The last one I had processed, last autumn, took about a month. It may be
that some can be more quickly performed than others (e.g. if you've not had
a lot of addresses & therefore not a lot of police forces who need to be
contacted.) Or it may indeed depend on individual forces how efficient
they are...

In message , Roland Perry
wrote:
Whatever the check is (I think Enhanced CRB is an old one) there are
certainly checks like that done on Uni students who are volunteers. And
apparently are still not transferable, and have to be done over and
over again for every few hours volunteering.

You're out of date. According to what I've been told, any organization
can accept an existing DBS check rather than doing its own. Obviously it
needs to consider the risks in doing so, and needs to do the identity
check.

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In message , at 01:37:13 on Thu, 16
Apr 2015, Clive D. W. Feather remarked:
Whatever the check is (I think Enhanced CRB is an old one) there are
certainly checks like that done on Uni students who are volunteers.
And apparently are still not transferable, and have to be done over
and over again for every few hours volunteering.

You're out of date. According to what I've been told, any organization
can accept an existing DBS check rather than doing its own. Obviously
it needs to consider the risks in doing so, and needs to do the
identity check.

Perhaps I identified the wrong failure mode. On second thoughts more
likely it's because at the application stage (to multiple organisations
for a summer of bits-and-pieces volunteering) the first DBS check hasn't
come through yet.
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Roland Perry

On 2015-04-15 18:48:07 +0000, Clank said:

The last one I had processed, last autumn, took about a month. It may be
that some can be more quickly performed than others (e.g. if you've not had
a lot of addresses & therefore not a lot of police forces who need to be
contacted.) Or it may indeed depend on individual forces how efficient
they are...

Possibly so. Thames Valley are known to respond to them very quickly.

Neil
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Neil Williams
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Neil Williams wrote:
On 2015-04-15 18:48:07 +0000, Clank said:

The last one I had processed, last autumn, took about a month. It may be
that some can be more quickly performed than others (e.g. if you've not had
a lot of addresses & therefore not a lot of police forces who need to be
contacted.) Or it may indeed depend on individual forces how efficient
they are...

Possibly so. Thames Valley are known to respond to them very quickly.

That would explain it then; West Yorkshire Police are not known to respond
to anything quickly (least of all an incident.)