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In message , at 18:12:24
on Wed, 8 Apr 2015, remarked:
Very few students were registered to vote before the reduction of the voting
age. This was partly because you had to be 21 at the time you qualified to
register to vote (i.e. in October before each May's elections). The voting
age was reduced in 1970 and provision was made to include everyone on the
register from their 18th birthday.

And what with students in those days probably being from a 4yr O-level
stream, not having gap years, and almost always on a 3yr degree course,
not very many undergrads would have been over-21 anyway.
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On Thu, 9 Apr 2015 10:00:13 +0100
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 18:12:24
on Wed, 8 Apr 2015, remarked:
Very few students were registered to vote before the reduction of the voting
age. This was partly because you had to be 21 at the time you qualified to
register to vote (i.e. in October before each May's elections). The voting
age was reduced in 1970 and provision was made to include everyone on the
register from their 18th birthday.

And what with students in those days probably being from a 4yr O-level
stream, not having gap years, and almost always on a 3yr degree course,
not very many undergrads would have been over-21 anyway.

I suspect the majority of students still don't have gap yahs. They tend to
be restricted to those whose parents have deep pockets and can fund them
buggering about in the far east smoking weed for a year.

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In message , at 09:36:08 on Thu, 9 Apr
2015, d remarked:
And what with students in those days probably being from a 4yr O-level
stream, not having gap years, and almost always on a 3yr degree course,
not very many undergrads would have been over-21 anyway.

I suspect the majority of students still don't have gap yahs. They tend to
be restricted to those whose parents have deep pockets and can fund them
buggering about in the far east smoking weed for a year.

The gap years I've heard about aren't leisure. They are a form of
sandwich course - probably no longer available.

Spend a year working for a "sponsor" firm, who then pays you a small
retainer while you do your degree, and then as long as you pass will
give you a further year of "graduate trainee" induction. At the end of
the five years you both decide whether to stay or not.
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In message , at 09:36:08 on Thu, 9 Apr
2015, d remarked:
And what with students in those days probably being from a 4yr O-level
stream, not having gap years, and almost always on a 3yr degree course,
not very many undergrads would have been over-21 anyway.

I suspect the majority of students still don't have gap yahs. They tend to
be restricted to those whose parents have deep pockets and can fund them
buggering about in the far east smoking weed for a year.

The gap years I've heard about aren't leisure. They are a form of sandwich
course - probably no longer available.

Having recently taken an interest in "employing" sandwich students, most
unis [1] now offer them as an optional part of appropriate (usually
engineering) degrees.

If you can find an appropriate placement, you work the third year of your
degree and take your finals in the fourth. If you can't, you just take your
finals in the third year.

tim

[1] that's most of the ones that previously offered them as standard. There
are, of course, many unis that never offered them, and still don't.

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On Thu, 9 Apr 2015 11:38:01 +0100
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 09:36:08 on Thu, 9 Apr
2015, d remarked:
And what with students in those days probably being from a 4yr O-level
stream, not having gap years, and almost always on a 3yr degree course,
not very many undergrads would have been over-21 anyway.

I suspect the majority of students still don't have gap yahs. They tend to
be restricted to those whose parents have deep pockets and can fund them
buggering about in the far east smoking weed for a year.

The gap years I've heard about aren't leisure. They are a form of
sandwich course - probably no longer available.

Ah ok. Arn't sandwich courses still available? I'd have assumed they were
crucial for some courses such as languages.

Spend a year working for a "sponsor" firm, who then pays you a small
retainer while you do your degree, and then as long as you pass will
give you a further year of "graduate trainee" induction. At the end of
the five years you both decide whether to stay or not.

Probably less common now firms can just do zero hours contracts.

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Perry) wrote:

In message , at
18:12:24 on Wed, 8 Apr 2015, remarked:
Very few students were registered to vote before the reduction of the
voting age. This was partly because you had to be 21 at the time you
qualified to register to vote (i.e. in October before each May's
elections). The voting age was reduced in 1970 and provision was made to
include everyone on the register from their 18th birthday.

And what with students in those days probably being from a 4yr
O-level stream, not having gap years, and almost always on a 3yr
degree course, not very many undergrads would have been over-21
anyway.

Not exactly. All Cambridge students had to do the 7th term entrance exam.
But the real point was that no-one could vote before they were 21 1/2 and
most not until they were nearly 22.

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In message , at 13:29:40 on Thu, 9 Apr 2015,
tim..... remarked:
The gap years I've heard about aren't leisure. They are a form of
sandwich course - probably no longer available.

Having recently taken an interest in "employing" sandwich students,
most unis [1] now offer them as an optional part of appropriate
(usually engineering) degrees.

If you can find an appropriate placement, you work the third year of
your degree and take your finals in the fourth. If you can't, you just
take your finals in the third year.

I understand about those arrangements, but they are very different to
the ones I was describing.
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In message , at 13:07:41 on Thu, 9 Apr
2015, d remarked:
The gap years I've heard about aren't leisure. They are a form of
sandwich course - probably no longer available.

Ah ok. Arn't sandwich courses still available? I'd have assumed they were
crucial for some courses such as languages.

Yes, but they aren't described as a "gap year" - which is between
leaving school and going to Uni.

Spend a year working for a "sponsor" firm, who then pays you a small
retainer while you do your degree, and then as long as you pass will
give you a further year of "graduate trainee" induction. At the end of
the five years you both decide whether to stay or not.

Probably less common now firms can just do zero hours contracts.

The sort of firms I had in mind don't do zero-hours contracts.
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In message , at 08:29:35
on Thu, 9 Apr 2015, remarked:

And what with students in those days probably being from a 4yr
O-level stream, not having gap years, and almost always on a 3yr
degree course, not very many undergrads would have been over-21
anyway.

Not exactly. All Cambridge students

Not all students went to Oxbridge. Difficult to imagine, I know.

had to do the 7th term entrance exam.

As I did, but I'd been accepted already on the basis of my A-level
results, so it was only an examination to see if I could win a
scholarship/exhibition.

I think I'd also studied Latin as a prerequisite for entrance, only to
find that by the time I applied it wasn't necessary any more. Although
in retrospect I found that understanding Latin was very useful in other
ways.

But the real point was that no-one could vote before they were 21 1/2
and most not until they were nearly 22.

And despite experiencing that 2-term "gappy" part-year, after having sat
the exams, I was still not 21yrs old until the very last few weeks of my
final term.
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Perry) wrote:

In message , at
08:29:35 on Thu, 9 Apr 2015, remarked:

And what with students in those days probably being from a 4yr
O-level stream, not having gap years, and almost always on a 3yr
degree course, not very many undergrads would have been over-21
anyway.

Not exactly. All Cambridge students

Not all students went to Oxbridge. Difficult to imagine, I know.

True but note which newsgroup we are in.

had to do the 7th term entrance exam.

As I did, but I'd been accepted already on the basis of my A-level
results, so it was only an examination to see if I could win a
scholarship/exhibition.

True, but everyone had to take it in my day (before yours).

I think I'd also studied Latin as a prerequisite for entrance, only
to find that by the time I applied it wasn't necessary any more.
Although in retrospect I found that understanding Latin was very
useful in other ways.

Indeed, though it was still needed in my day.

But the real point was that no-one could vote before they were 21 1/2
and most not until they were nearly 22.

And despite experiencing that 2-term "gappy" part-year, after having
sat the exams, I was still not 21yrs old until the very last few
weeks of my final term.

I came of age on 1 January 1970, between 18 and 21. My 21st birthday was at
the start of my third year.

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On 09/04/2015 18:17, wrote:

In article ,
(Roland Perry) wrote:
[...]
And what with students in those days probably being from a 4yr
O-level stream, not having gap years, and almost always on a 3yr
degree course, not very many undergrads would have been over-21
anyway.

Not exactly. All Cambridge students

Not all students went to Oxbridge. Difficult to imagine, I know.

True but note which newsgroup we are in.

uk.transport.london

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In article , (Mizter T) wrote:

On 09/04/2015 18:17, wrote:

In article ,
(Roland Perry) wrote:
[...]
And what with students in those days probably being from a 4yr
O-level stream, not having gap years, and almost always on a 3yr
degree course, not very many undergrads would have been over-21
anyway.

Not exactly. All Cambridge students

Not all students went to Oxbridge. Difficult to imagine, I know.

True but note which newsgroup we are in.

uk.transport.london

Oops! Seeing Roland I forgot it was not a cam. group!

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In message , at 12:17:17
on Thu, 9 Apr 2015, remarked:

I came of age on 1 January 1970, between 18 and 21. My 21st birthday was at
the start of my third year.

You said the old rule put people on the register in October - so only a
couple of month's worth of each academic year intake.

Under that rule I would not have been able to register until four months
after graduating. And that's having taken a "gappy year". For most
University students the October-after-they-became-21 would be after they
graduated, even if born between 1st Sept and whatever the date in
October was.

I've also found some commentary that says University Students were only
allowed to vote in their Uni town after a case brought by Churchill
College [after, I'm not sure how much after] 1/1/1970.
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Perry) wrote:

In message , at
12:17:17 on Thu, 9 Apr 2015, remarked:

I came of age on 1 January 1970, between 18 and 21. My 21st birthday was
at the start of my third year.

You said the old rule put people on the register in October - so only
a couple of month's worth of each academic year intake.

Under that rule I would not have been able to register until four
months after graduating. And that's having taken a "gappy year". For
most University students the October-after-they-became-21 would be
after they graduated, even if born between 1st Sept and whatever the
date in October was.

I've also found some commentary that says University Students were
only allowed to vote in their Uni town after a case brought by
Churchill College [after, I'm not sure how much after] 1/1/1970.

Only people already 21 on 10th October were registered so they could vote
the following May. My birthday is after 10th October so would not have been
on the register, even in my third year.

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Roland Perry wrote:

Under that rule I would not have been able to register until four months
after graduating. And that's having taken a "gappy year". For most
University students the October-after-they-became-21 would be after they
graduated, even if born between 1st Sept and whatever the date in October
was.

The market is shifting these days for all manner of reasons such that I
suspect most would now be caught for everything from four year courses to
those taking a year out (now more for raising finances than anything else)
to a growth in the mature and postgraduate market. A few years ago I saw an
academic making a traditional assumption about the majority of first year
students being too young to remember X and checked the UCAS figures (which
don't catch all matures) and it suggested said academic doesn't spend much
time on campus.

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In article ,
(Tim Roll-Pickering) wrote:

Roland Perry wrote:

Under that rule I would not have been able to register until four
months after graduating. And that's having taken a "gappy year".
For most University students the October-after-they-became-21 would
be after they graduated, even if born between 1st Sept and whatever
the date in October was.

The market is shifting these days for all manner of reasons such that
I suspect most would now be caught for everything from four year
courses to those taking a year out (now more for raising finances
than anything else) to a growth in the mature and postgraduate
market. A few years ago I saw an academic making a traditional
assumption about the majority of first year students being too young
to remember X and checked the UCAS figures (which don't catch all
matures) and it suggested said academic doesn't spend much time on
campus.

Until the early 60s most male students (other than medics) were older
because they had to do National Service first.

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In article ,
(Tim Roll-Pickering) wrote:

Roland Perry wrote:

Under that rule I would not have been able to register until four
months after graduating. And that's having taken a "gappy year".
For most University students the October-after-they-became-21 would
be after they graduated, even if born between 1st Sept and whatever
the date in October was.

The market is shifting these days for all manner of reasons such that
I suspect most would now be caught for everything from four year
courses to those taking a year out (now more for raising finances
than anything else) to a growth in the mature and postgraduate
market. A few years ago I saw an academic making a traditional
assumption about the majority of first year students being too young
to remember X and checked the UCAS figures (which don't catch all
matures) and it suggested said academic doesn't spend much time on
campus.

Until the early 60s most male students (other than medics) were older
because they had to do National Service first.

I don't think that's true

I used to work with (actually was managed by) a guy who had done his degree
first and was then "eligible" for National Service.

And in order to avoid that National Service (because he was of telly-tubby
proportions) he took a job with a defence contractor which made him exempt

tim

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wrote:

Until the early 60s most male students (other than medics) were older
because they had to do National Service first.

I don't think that's true

I used to work with (actually was managed by) a guy who had done his
degree
first and was then "eligible" for National Service.

ISTR that it was some of those who were the last to do National
Service and had to do so after the date it had stopped for those who
had not been called up by the time it ended at the end of 1960,
Those who had been allowed to defer it when called up to complete
their studies were not let off and had to fulfil the requirement.

ISTR reading that National Service could call at any point. The universities
hated it because students could get called up mid year, creating chaos for
courses and planning places for the following year. The deferral may have
been introduced to filter out this problem.

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In article ,
(tim.....) wrote:

wrote in message
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In article ,
(Tim Roll-Pickering) wrote:

Roland Perry wrote:

Under that rule I would not have been able to register until four
months after graduating. And that's having taken a "gappy year".
For most University students the October-after-they-became-21 would
be after they graduated, even if born between 1st Sept and whatever
the date in October was.

The market is shifting these days for all manner of reasons such that
I suspect most would now be caught for everything from four year
courses to those taking a year out (now more for raising finances
than anything else) to a growth in the mature and postgraduate
market. A few years ago I saw an academic making a traditional
assumption about the majority of first year students being too young
to remember X and checked the UCAS figures (which don't catch all
matures) and it suggested said academic doesn't spend much time on
campus.

Until the early 60s most male students (other than medics) were older
because they had to do National Service first.

I don't think that's true

I used to work with (actually was managed by) a guy who had done his
degree first and was then "eligible" for National Service.

And in order to avoid that National Service (because he was of
telly-tubby proportions) he took a job with a defence contractor
which made him exempt

My source was a friend, now dead, who was a contemporary at Sidney Sussex
College, Cambridge with David Owen who lived across the corridor. He said
Owen was the exception who had not already done National Service.

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In message , at 19:41:26 on Sat, 11
Apr 2015, Tim Roll-Pickering remarked:
Under that rule I would not have been able to register until four months
after graduating. And that's having taken a "gappy year". For most
University students the October-after-they-became-21 would be after they
graduated, even if born between 1st Sept and whatever the date in October
was.

The market is shifting these days for all manner of reasons such that I
suspect most would now be caught for everything from four year courses to
those taking a year out (now more for raising finances than anything else)
to a growth in the mature and postgraduate market.

I'd add "taking five years to GCSE" onto that as well.

But remember that my original calculation required *at least one* of the
three 'delay factors' for a student to be 21 in their final year, and
according to Colin, to qualify to vote your birthday would have to be
before October, so even then most students wouldn't be eligible.
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In article ,
(tim.....) wrote:

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In article ,
(Tim Roll-Pickering) wrote:

Roland Perry wrote:

Under that rule I would not have been able to register until four
months after graduating. And that's having taken a "gappy year".
For most University students the October-after-they-became-21 would
be after they graduated, even if born between 1st Sept and whatever
the date in October was.

The market is shifting these days for all manner of reasons such that
I suspect most would now be caught for everything from four year
courses to those taking a year out (now more for raising finances
than anything else) to a growth in the mature and postgraduate
market. A few years ago I saw an academic making a traditional
assumption about the majority of first year students being too young
to remember X and checked the UCAS figures (which don't catch all
matures) and it suggested said academic doesn't spend much time on
campus.

Until the early 60s most male students (other than medics) were older
because they had to do National Service first.

I don't think that's true

I used to work with (actually was managed by) a guy who had done his
degree first and was then "eligible" for National Service.

And in order to avoid that National Service (because he was of
telly-tubby proportions) he took a job with a defence contractor
which made him exempt

My source was a friend, now dead, who was a contemporary at Sidney Sussex
College, Cambridge with David Owen who lived across the corridor. He said
Owen was the exception who had not already done National Service.

If American, that's the sort of scandal that sees your political career go
down the toilet

tim

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In message , at 12:02:59 on Sun, 12 Apr
2015, tim..... remarked:
My source was a friend, now dead, who was a contemporary at Sidney Sussex
College, Cambridge with David Owen who lived across the corridor. He said
Owen was the exception who had not already done National Service.

If American, that's the sort of scandal that sees your political career
go down the toilet

Someone mentioned study medicine being an exemption, which is what David
Owen was doing.
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In message , at 12:21:36 on Sun, 12
Apr 2015, Roland Perry remarked:
My source was a friend, now dead, who was a contemporary at Sidney Sussex
College, Cambridge with David Owen who lived across the corridor. He said
Owen was the exception who had not already done National Service.

If American, that's the sort of scandal that sees your political
career go down the toilet

Someone mentioned study medicine being an exemption, which is what
David Owen was doing.

And he was 21 on 2nd July 1959, about a fortnight after the end of his
last term, so would never have been able to vote in Cambridge (even if
being student had passed the residence test).
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Roland Perry wrote:

The market is shifting these days for all manner of reasons such that I
suspect most would now be caught for everything from four year courses to
those taking a year out (now more for raising finances than anything else)
to a growth in the mature and postgraduate market.

I'd add "taking five years to GCSE" onto that as well.

It's two - or are you including every year from the start of secondary?

But remember that my original calculation required *at least one* of the
three 'delay factors' for a student to be 21 in their final year, and
according to Colin, to qualify to vote your birthday would have to be
before October, so even then most students wouldn't be eligible.

Ah - were students going off to uni at a younger age then? The standard
entry these days is 18 or higher.

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In article , (Roland
Perry) wrote:

In message , at 12:02:59 on Sun, 12 Apr
2015, tim..... remarked:
My source was a friend, now dead, who was a contemporary at Sidney
Sussex College, Cambridge with David Owen who lived across the
corridor. He said Owen was the exception who had not already done
National Service.

If American, that's the sort of scandal that sees your political career
go down the toilet

Someone mentioned study medicine being an exemption, which is what
David Owen was doing.

Precisely! It was all entirely legitimate. Owen was a GP before he was
elected to Parliament.

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In article , (Roland
Perry) wrote:

In message , at 12:21:36 on Sun,
12 Apr 2015, Roland Perry remarked:
My source was a friend, now dead, who was a contemporary at Sidney
Sussex College, Cambridge with David Owen who lived across the
corridor. He said Owen was the exception who had not already done
National Service.

If American, that's the sort of scandal that sees your political
career go down the toilet

Someone mentioned study medicine being an exemption, which is what
David Owen was doing.

And he was 21 on 2nd July 1959, about a fortnight after the end of
his last term, so would never have been able to vote in Cambridge
(even if being student had passed the residence test).

Indeed but my friend, the late Chris Bradford who would have been 21 in
November 1955, would have been able to vote.

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Perry) wrote:

In message , at 19:41:26 on Sat, 11
Apr 2015, Tim Roll-Pickering remarked:
Under that rule I would not have been able to register until four
months after graduating. And that's having taken a "gappy year". For
most University students the October-after-they-became-21 would be
after they graduated, even if born between 1st Sept and whatever the
date in October was.

10th then. 15th now.

The market is shifting these days for all manner of reasons such that I
suspect most would now be caught for everything from four year courses to
those taking a year out (now more for raising finances than anything
else) to a growth in the mature and postgraduate market.

I'd add "taking five years to GCSE" onto that as well.

But remember that my original calculation required *at least one* of
the three 'delay factors' for a student to be 21 in their final year,
and according to Colin, to qualify to vote your birthday would have
to be before October, so even then most students wouldn't be eligible.

So we can all now understand why the question of students being registered
to vote at their term time addresses only arose when the voting age was
lowered in 1970.

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In message , at 05:03:27
on Mon, 13 Apr 2015, remarked:
My source was a friend, now dead, who was a contemporary at Sidney
Sussex College, Cambridge with David Owen who lived across the
corridor. He said Owen was the exception who had not already done
National Service.

If American, that's the sort of scandal that sees your political
career go down the toilet

Someone mentioned study medicine being an exemption, which is what
David Owen was doing.

And he was 21 on 2nd July 1959, about a fortnight after the end of
his last term, so would never have been able to vote in Cambridge
(even if being student had passed the residence test).

Indeed but my friend, the late Chris Bradford who would have been 21 in
November 1955, would have been able to vote.

But November is after October, and you said that the roll was drawn up
from people already 21 in October. Or is this an election in 1957 (for
which he may have qualified in October 1956).
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In message , at 05:03:27
on Mon, 13 Apr 2015, remarked:

Owen was a GP before he was elected to Parliament.

Wonkypedia says he was a Registrar at St Thomas's.
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In message , at 11:03:00 on Mon, 13
Apr 2015, Tim Roll-Pickering remarked:
Roland Perry wrote:

The market is shifting these days for all manner of reasons such that I
suspect most would now be caught for everything from four year courses to
those taking a year out (now more for raising finances than anything else)
to a growth in the mature and postgraduate market.

I'd add "taking five years to GCSE" onto that as well.

It's two - or are you including every year from the start of secondary?

Yes, every year from entry age (nowadays 11).

The Direct Grant school I attended had the legacy of a start-at-ten
regime, and hence we entered into the second form. We took our O-Levels
in the fifth form, after four years. Unless in the slower streams, which
is where the "the Remove" (as in 'Bunter of') come in. Pupils in that
stream went 2-3-remove-4-5, taking five years.

But remember that my original calculation required *at least one* of the
three 'delay factors' for a student to be 21 in their final year, and
according to Colin, to qualify to vote your birthday would have to be
before October, so even then most students wouldn't be eligible.

Ah - were students going off to uni at a younger age then? The standard
entry these days is 18 or higher.

I was only just 18 (like David Owen in fact) having done 4yrs to
O-level, two to A-level and then a year spent partly doing the Cambridge
Exhibition/Scholarship exams. I wasn't doing the entrance exam because I
had applied to one of the approximately third of colleges which had
migrated to a regime of offering places based on A-Levels, although the
offers didn't come through until some way into Michaelmas term.

Those following the path above were in what was called the "7th form",
whereas the handful of people re-sitting their A-levels were in the
"Third year sixth".

Contemporaries who had also been in the non-remove stream (which was
three of the five-form-entry) but not applying to Oxbridge, could have
been going to University at 17.

Most of the 7th form traditionally left at Xmas, which was awkward
financially for the school because the numbers for grant-awarding
purposes were totted up at some date in the Spring. I was one of I think
four who stayed on, and did various 'special projects' one of which was
teaching myself to pass the Computer Science A-level which happened to
be the first year it was set. The school was keen for the stayers-on to
do at least one external exam as a sort of justification.

One final wrinkle was that our particular 6th Form concentrated on Maths
and Physics, and we took A-Level Maths as a kind of "serious mock" in
our Lower 6th year. That's the same age as most children today are doing
their GCSE maths.
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GCSE Maths being significantly easier than O-Level Maths.

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In article ,
(Tim Roll-Pickering) wrote:

Roland Perry wrote:

The market is shifting these days for all manner of reasons such that I
suspect most would now be caught for everything from four year courses
to those taking a year out (now more for raising finances than anything
else) to a growth in the mature and postgraduate market.

I'd add "taking five years to GCSE" onto that as well.

It's two - or are you including every year from the start of
secondary?

But remember that my original calculation required *at least one*
of the three 'delay factors' for a student to be 21 in their final
year, and according to Colin, to qualify to vote your birthday
would have to be before October, so even then most students
wouldn't be eligible.

Ah - were students going off to uni at a younger age then? The
standard entry these days is 18 or higher.

Some were, especially a few mathematicians. Child protection issues have
largely stopped unis from accepting under-18s.

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In article , (Roland
Perry) wrote:

In message , at
05:03:27 on Mon, 13 Apr 2015, remarked:
My source was a friend, now dead, who was a contemporary at Sidney
Sussex College, Cambridge with David Owen who lived across the
corridor. He said Owen was the exception who had not already done
National Service.

If American, that's the sort of scandal that sees your political
career go down the toilet

Someone mentioned study medicine being an exemption, which is what
David Owen was doing.

And he was 21 on 2nd July 1959, about a fortnight after the end of
his last term, so would never have been able to vote in Cambridge
(even if being student had passed the residence test).

Indeed but my friend, the late Chris Bradford who would have been 21 in
November 1955, would have been able to vote.

But November is after October, and you said that the roll was drawn
up from people already 21 in October. Or is this an election in 1957
(for which he may have qualified in October 1956).

My point it that he would have been able to vote before July 1959.

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In article , (Roland
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In message , at
05:03:27 on Mon, 13 Apr 2015, remarked:

Owen was a GP before he was elected to Parliament.

Wonkypedia says he was a Registrar at St Thomas's.

OK. I was going from memory and forgot to check which sort of doctor he was.

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In message , at 20:14:08
on Mon, 13 Apr 2015, remarked:
Ah - were students going off to uni at a younger age then? The
standard entry these days is 18 or higher.

Some were, especially a few mathematicians. Child protection issues have
largely stopped unis from accepting under-18s.

I wonder if there's also an issue with minors signing up for student
loans.
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In article , (Roland
Perry) wrote:

In message , at
20:14:08 on Mon, 13 Apr 2015, remarked:
Ah - were students going off to uni at a younger age then? The
standard entry these days is 18 or higher.

Some were, especially a few mathematicians. Child protection issues have
largely stopped unis from accepting under-18s.

I wonder if there's also an issue with minors signing up for student
loans.

I doubt that. Parents have to stand behind their student children, even over
18. So that is easy to fix. It's modern paranoia about child protection
that's scaring off universities that's much harder to handle.

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In message , at 05:42:48
on Tue, 14 Apr 2015, remarked:
Ah - were students going off to uni at a younger age then? The
standard entry these days is 18 or higher.

Some were, especially a few mathematicians. Child protection issues have
largely stopped unis from accepting under-18s.

I wonder if there's also an issue with minors signing up for student
loans.

I doubt that. Parents have to stand behind their student children, even over
18. So that is easy to fix. It's modern paranoia about child protection
that's scaring off universities that's much harder to handle.

Why is it more difficult than schools (boarding schools if you like).
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Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 05:42:48
on Tue, 14 Apr 2015, remarked:
Ah - were students going off to uni at a younger age then? The
standard entry these days is 18 or higher.

Some were, especially a few mathematicians. Child protection issues have
largely stopped unis from accepting under-18s.

I wonder if there's also an issue with minors signing up for student
loans.

I doubt that. Parents have to stand behind their student children, even over
18. So that is easy to fix. It's modern paranoia about child protection
that's scaring off universities that's much harder to handle.

Why is it more difficult than schools (boarding schools if you like).

It seems like child protection is somewhat unavoidable for schools. On the
other hand is a university going to want to Enhanced-CRB check its entire
staff (including every student who volunteers to help in a tutorial or
similar) just to admit one precocious teenager who could easily wait a
year? And will all the student societies need to CRB check their officers
as well, I wonder?

(I've had an enhanced CRB - it's not a difficult process, but it is a
paperwork ballache, it costs a not insignificant amount, and it is slow.)

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In article , (Roland
Perry) wrote:

In message , at
05:42:48 on Tue, 14 Apr 2015, remarked:
Ah - were students going off to uni at a younger age then? The
standard entry these days is 18 or higher.

Some were, especially a few mathematicians. Child protection issues
have largely stopped unis from accepting under-18s.

I wonder if there's also an issue with minors signing up for student
loans.

I doubt that. Parents have to stand behind their student children, even
over 18. So that is easy to fix. It's modern paranoia about child
protection that's scaring off universities that's much harder to handle.

Why is it more difficult than schools (boarding schools if you like).

They're not geared up for it, given that only a tiny minority of students
are affected. The majority threw off the "in loco parentis" stuff 45 years
ago.

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In message
-septem
ber.org, at 17:26:14 on Tue, 14 Apr 2015, Clank
remarked:
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 05:42:48
on Tue, 14 Apr 2015, remarked:
Ah - were students going off to uni at a younger age then? The
standard entry these days is 18 or higher.

Some were, especially a few mathematicians. Child protection issues have
largely stopped unis from accepting under-18s.

I wonder if there's also an issue with minors signing up for student
loans.

I doubt that. Parents have to stand behind their student children, even over
18. So that is easy to fix. It's modern paranoia about child protection
that's scaring off universities that's much harder to handle.

Why is it more difficult than schools (boarding schools if you like).

It seems like child protection is somewhat unavoidable for schools. On the
other hand is a university going to want to Enhanced-CRB check its entire
staff (including every student who volunteers to help in a tutorial or
similar)

Whatever the check is (I think Enhanced CRB is an old one) there are
certainly checks like that done on Uni students who are volunteers. And
apparently are still not transferable, and have to be done over and over
again for every few hours volunteering.
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