Nigel Emery wrote:
On Thu, 30 Apr 2015 12:54:53 +0100, roger
wrote:

http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/servic...ons/95974.aspx


BBC Report - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-32531004

Do you think Network Rail and the TOCs are ever going to learn lessons
about trains that require external power for basic ventilation. There
seriously needs to be better contingency plans in place for this sort
of incident. Expect another lessons have been learned type enquiry
that changes nothing.

For once, we can congratulate the DfT: the electric IEPs will have one
diesel engine that can power the air-conditioning and lights if the OHLE
isn't delivering. It can also be used to move the train (slowly) if the
line is clear.

On Thu, 30 Apr 2015 13:12:38 +0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
Nigel Emery wrote:
On Thu, 30 Apr 2015 12:54:53 +0100, roger
wrote:

http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/servic...ons/95974.aspx


BBC Report - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-32531004

Do you think Network Rail and the TOCs are ever going to learn lessons
about trains that require external power for basic ventilation. There
seriously needs to be better contingency plans in place for this sort
of incident. Expect another lessons have been learned type enquiry
that changes nothing.

For once, we can congratulate the DfT: the electric IEPs will have one
diesel engine that can power the air-conditioning and lights if the OHLE
isn't delivering. It can also be used to move the train (slowly) if the
line is clear.

Or an alternative radical idea would be to provide windows that open.

--
Spud

In article , d
() wrote:

On Thu, 30 Apr 2015 13:12:38 +0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
Nigel Emery wrote:
On Thu, 30 Apr 2015 12:54:53 +0100, roger
wrote:

http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/servic...ons/95974.aspx


BBC Report - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-32531004

Do you think Network Rail and the TOCs are ever going to learn lessons
about trains that require external power for basic ventilation. There
seriously needs to be better contingency plans in place for this sort
of incident. Expect another lessons have been learned type enquiry
that changes nothing.

For once, we can congratulate the DfT: the electric IEPs will have one
diesel engine that can power the air-conditioning and lights if the OHLE
isn't delivering. It can also be used to move the train (slowly) if the
line is clear.

Or an alternative radical idea would be to provide windows that open.

Trouble with that idea is that passengers open them. Opening windows are a
very bad idea at 100MPH or when rushing through tunnels, as Great Northern
passengers have discovered with the class 365 EMUs.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

wrote:
In article , d
() wrote:

On Thu, 30 Apr 2015 13:12:38 +0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
Nigel Emery wrote:
On Thu, 30 Apr 2015 12:54:53 +0100, roger
wrote:

http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/servic...ons/95974.aspx


BBC Report - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-32531004

Do you think Network Rail and the TOCs are ever going to learn lessons
about trains that require external power for basic ventilation. There
seriously needs to be better contingency plans in place for this sort
of incident. Expect another lessons have been learned type enquiry
that changes nothing.

For once, we can congratulate the DfT: the electric IEPs will have one
diesel engine that can power the air-conditioning and lights if the OHLE
isn't delivering. It can also be used to move the train (slowly) if the
line is clear.

Or an alternative radical idea would be to provide windows that open.

Trouble with that idea is that passengers open them. Opening windows are a
very bad idea at 100MPH or when rushing through tunnels, as Great Northern
passengers have discovered with the class 365 EMUs.

Opening windows rarely feature in aircon stock, which usually have sealed,
double-glazed windows. They also contribute to the stiffness of the body.

In message , at 18:00:38
on Thu, 30 Apr 2015, remarked:
BBC Report - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-32531004

Do you think Network Rail and the TOCs are ever going to learn lessons
about trains that require external power for basic ventilation. There
seriously needs to be better contingency plans in place for this sort
of incident. Expect another lessons have been learned type enquiry
that changes nothing.

For once, we can congratulate the DfT: the electric IEPs will have one
diesel engine that can power the air-conditioning and lights if the OHLE
isn't delivering. It can also be used to move the train (slowly) if the
line is clear.

Or an alternative radical idea would be to provide windows that open.

Trouble with that idea is that passengers open them. Opening windows are a
very bad idea at 100MPH or when rushing through tunnels, as Great Northern
passengers have discovered with the class 365 EMUs.

But those windows are the only source of ventilation. If the need to
open them *only* arises when the aircon has failed[1] then I expect
they'll stay shut most of the time.

[1] For whatever reason - I was once on a Voyager where the aircon had
failed in one carriage, and it was uninhabitably hot.
--
Roland Perry

On Thu, 30 Apr 2015 18:00:38 -0500
wrote:
In article , d
() wrote:

On Thu, 30 Apr 2015 13:12:38 +0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
Nigel Emery wrote:
On Thu, 30 Apr 2015 12:54:53 +0100, roger
wrote:

http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/servic...ons/95974.aspx


BBC Report - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-32531004

Do you think Network Rail and the TOCs are ever going to learn lessons
about trains that require external power for basic ventilation. There
seriously needs to be better contingency plans in place for this sort
of incident. Expect another lessons have been learned type enquiry
that changes nothing.

For once, we can congratulate the DfT: the electric IEPs will have one
diesel engine that can power the air-conditioning and lights if the OHLE
isn't delivering. It can also be used to move the train (slowly) if the
line is clear.

Or an alternative radical idea would be to provide windows that open.

Trouble with that idea is that passengers open them. Opening windows are a
very bad idea at 100MPH or when rushing through tunnels, as Great Northern
passengers have discovered with the class 365 EMUs.

Thats a fair point, but there's no reason not to have windows that could be
opened in an emergency either by the driver or the passengers themselves.
Remove flap - pull lever type scenario.

--
Spud

In article , (Roland
Perry) wrote:

In message , at
18:00:38 on Thu, 30 Apr 2015, remarked:
BBC Report - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-32531004

Do you think Network Rail and the TOCs are ever going to learn
lessons about trains that require external power for basic
ventilation. There seriously needs to be better contingency plans in
place for this sort of incident. Expect another lessons have been
learned type enquiry that changes nothing.

For once, we can congratulate the DfT: the electric IEPs will have one
diesel engine that can power the air-conditioning and lights if the
OHLE isn't delivering. It can also be used to move the train (slowly)
if the line is clear.

Or an alternative radical idea would be to provide windows that open.

Trouble with that idea is that passengers open them. Opening windows are
a very bad idea at 100MPH or when rushing through tunnels, as Great
Northern passengers have discovered with the class 365 EMUs.

But those windows are the only source of ventilation. If the need to
open them *only* arises when the aircon has failed[1] then I expect
they'll stay shut most of the time.

Wrong! Too many passengers open them unnecessarily. The forced air vents are
better at providing fresh air except at speeds when the noise from open
windows becomes a nuisance.

[1] For whatever reason - I was once on a Voyager where the aircon had
failed in one carriage, and it was uninhabitably hot.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

In message , at 06:24:03
on Fri, 1 May 2015, remarked:
Trouble with that idea is that passengers open them. Opening windows are
a very bad idea at 100MPH or when rushing through tunnels, as Great
Northern passengers have discovered with the class 365 EMUs.

But those windows are the only source of ventilation. If the need to
open them *only* arises when the aircon has failed[1] then I expect
they'll stay shut most of the time.

Wrong! Too many passengers open them unnecessarily. The forced air vents are
better at providing fresh air except at speeds when the noise from open
windows becomes a nuisance.

An air conditioned train with noisy open windows will soon have people
closing them.
--
Roland Perry

On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 04:00:49PM +0000, d wrote:
On Thu, 30 Apr 2015 13:12:38 +0000 (UTC) Recliner wrote:
For once, we can congratulate the DfT: the electric IEPs will have one
diesel engine that can power the air-conditioning and lights if the OHLE
isn't delivering. It can also be used to move the train (slowly) if the
line is clear.
Or an alternative radical idea would be to provide windows that open.

That won't do much good when there's no air flow because the train isn't
moving.

--
David Cantrell | Minister for Arbitrary Justice

Sobol's Law of Telecom Utilities:
Telcos are malicious; cablecos are simply clueless.

On Fri, 01 May 2015 06:24:03 -0500
wrote:
In article , (Roland
Perry) wrote:
open them *only* arises when the aircon has failed[1] then I expect
they'll stay shut most of the time.

Wrong! Too many passengers open them unnecessarily. The forced air vents are
better at providing fresh air except at speeds when the noise from open
windows becomes a nuisance.

Except when there's no power. Which rather brings us full circle.

--
Spud