In uk.railway d twisted the electrons to say:
On Sun, 17 May 2015 11:06:24 +0000 (UTC)
Alistair Gunn wrote:
a yes vote. Or to put it another way, no disaster would've occured yet
as even the "agressively optimistic" independence date wouldn't have
occured let alone the much later "sober, realistic" date ...
So you think the oil price will have gone up sufficiently by 2016 for the
SNP to wheel out its knackered economic policy once more and for people to
be dumb enough to fall for it?

Nope, I've no real opinion on the future price of oil (other than it
having a general upward direction). I was commenting on the absurdity of
your apparent belief that Scotland would've been inpendenct already if
the vote had gone the other way back in September.

However you really should try getting your economic "facts" from
somewhere other than the Daily Wail! As it happens it isn't the case
that everyone in Scotland either works in the oil industry, the public
sector or lives on benefits ...
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These opinions might not even be mine ...
Let alone connected with my employer ...

On 16/05/15 18:45, d wrote:
I never mentioned disasters, you did. Clearly as a feeble attempt at
a straw man argument.

What you wrote was "But unfortunately they're outnumbered by the idiots
and you can see what happens when idiots get voted into power - towit
the SNP." I am sill not sure what you think has happened since the SNP
was voted into power.

Around about now with an independent Scotland Sturgeon would be heading
off to Brussels with a begging bowl to join the queue behind greece
and spain.

UK budget deficit last year: £105,000,000,000.

Ian

On 2015-05-17, Robin9 wrote:
On 2015-05-15, The Real Doctor wrote:
On 15/05/15 20:13, d wrote:
There are some good well meaning people in the party who have genuine
concerns about control by Brussels.

Yeah, right, and the Socialist Workers' Party is full of people with a
genuine concern for the poor.

But unfortunately they're outnumbered by the idiots
and you can see what happens when idiots get voted into power - towit the
SNP.

The SNP were almost voted into power in 2007 and formed a minority
government. That was sufficiently popular that they were properly voted
into power as a majority government in 2011. That was sufficiently
popular that they were voted in to represent Scotland in 56 out of 59
Scottish constituencies this month. It's therefore a little hard to see
what disasters you think happened.

Mind you, it's always amusing to here UKIP supporters such as yourself
use precisely opposing arguments to explain why (a) Scotland MUST stay
in the UK and (b) why the UK MUST leave Europe. It sounds like a pretty
good example of cognitive dissonance which is easily resolved by
recognizing that UKIP are a bunch of loony little Englanders who loathe
all foreigners and classify Scots as foreign.

It's never amusing to hear UKIP detractors such as yourself use ill
thought-out generalisations to denigrate people who hold an alternative
opinion.

I voted UKIP ten days ago so I qualify as a UKIP supporter.

a) I do not say Scotland MUST stay in the UK;
b) I do not say UK MUST leave the European Union although I recognise
that it may be eventually become advantageous to do so;

It will never be advantageous for me personally for the UK to leave the
EU. I am sure I am a very, very long way from being the only one.

c) I am not a little Englander and I do not hate all foreigners;
d) I do not classify Scots as foreign.

I live in Leyton, one of the most cosmopolitan areas of London. I could
easily afford to move to an all-white part of the country but I choose
to
stay in Leyton.

I suggest you refrain from glib and specious generalisations and instead
try to understand why around 4 million people voted UKIP in the recent
election.

But your list above doesn't really help in understanding that. So why
did you vote UKIP?

Eric
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ms fnd in a lbry

On 17/05/15 12:35, d wrote:
Lets face it , Scotland has to suck from the teet of somewhere, be it
Westminster or Brussels because it doesn't have much of an economy to speak
of. Its half that of yourshire FFS.

The per capita GVA of Scotland is greater than any part of England
(including Yorkshire) except for London and the South-East.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Countri...GVA_per_capita

Ian

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On Sat, 16 May 2015 19:24:49 +0100
Mizter T wrote:
On 16/05/2015 17:16, d wrote:

On Fri, 15 May 2015 21:51:16 +0100
The Real Doctor wrote:
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Mind you, it's always amusing to here UKIP supporters such as yourself

Actually I vote Tory, but I sympathise with UKIPs main message and
it seems 15 million other people did too.

I've no idea why I'm reading this, but where do you get 15 million
people from?

11 million Tory voters + 4 million UKIP.

And while you might say that perhaps some of those Tory voters don't give
a monkeys about a EU referendum I would suggest most do and the difference
will be made up by the large amount of Labour voters who also do.

I think that's a nonsense claim to make

you haven't a shred of evidence that it is true

most people voted Tory because they wanted them to continue running the
government, the fact that they offered a referendum is purely incidental to
their choice.

And I would go so far as to suggest that a large percentage of the people
who voted UKIP aren't bothered either

It is clear from the transfer of votes from LD to UKIP that UKIP have became
the recipient of the protest votes that the LDs have traditionally collected

On 17/05/2015 12:35, d wrote:
On Sun, 17 May 2015 11:06:24 +0000 (UTC)
Alistair Gunn wrote:
a yes vote. Or to put it another way, no disaster would've occured yet
as even the "agressively optimistic" independence date wouldn't have
occured let alone the much later "sober, realistic" date ...

So you think the oil price will have gone up sufficiently by 2016 for the
SNP to wheel out its knackered economic policy once more and for people to be
dumb enough to fall for it?

Lets face it , Scotland has to suck from the teet of somewhere, be it
Westminster or Brussels because it doesn't have much of an economy to speak
of. Its half that of yourshire FFS. The SNP knows this which is why its so
pro EU because once its waved bye bye to westminster and the hand outs stop
it'll need Brussels to provide the money. Of course the privosos that will
come with it will be far worse than Westminster would ever ask for but by
then Salmond and Sturgeon will be doing the after dinner circuit basking in
their self righteousnous and won't give a ****.

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Spud


As Orwell wrote in a different context, Scotland is no more capable of
being independent than a cat or a dog. I am not hostile to the people,
but they are being led.

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Myth, after all, is what we believe naturally. History is what we must
painfully learn and struggle to remember. -Albert Goldman

On Sun, 17 May 2015 15:58:45 +0100
The Real Doctor wrote:
On 16/05/15 18:45, d wrote:
I never mentioned disasters, you did. Clearly as a feeble attempt at
a straw man argument.

What you wrote was "But unfortunately they're outnumbered by the idiots
and you can see what happens when idiots get voted into power - towit
the SNP." I am sill not sure what you think has happened since the SNP
was voted into power.

Can't you use google? Lets start with the NHS:

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/sc...endum-snp-cut-
nhs-420702

Around about now with an independent Scotland Sturgeon would be heading
off to Brussels with a begging bowl to join the queue behind greece
and spain.

UK budget deficit last year: £105,000,000,000.

We're far from being the worst in europe:

http://www.debtclocks.eu/public-debt...n-of-the-eu-me
mber-states.html

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Spud

On Sun, 17 May 2015 18:46:25 +0100
"tim....." wrote:
wrote in message
And while you might say that perhaps some of those Tory voters don't give
a monkeys about a EU referendum I would suggest most do and the difference
will be made up by the large amount of Labour voters who also do.

I think that's a nonsense claim to make

Really? Well we'll have to disagree on that then.

you haven't a shred of evidence that it is true

No URL I can point you at no, but I do know people who vote Labour and
Brussels advancing its power bothers them too.

most people voted Tory because they wanted them to continue running the
government, the fact that they offered a referendum is purely incidental to
their choice.

So where's your evidence for that statement?

And I would go so far as to suggest that a large percentage of the people
who voted UKIP aren't bothered either

Now you're just talking out your arse.

It is clear from the transfer of votes from LD to UKIP that UKIP have became
the recipient of the protest votes that the LDs have traditionally collected

Lib Dems lost votes to UKIP? Well thats a new one. Got anything to back that
up either?

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Spud

On Mon, 18 May 2015 07:43:46 +0100
Martin Edwards wrote:
As Orwell wrote in a different context, Scotland is no more capable of
being independent than a cat or a dog. I am not hostile to the people,
but they are being led.

The cat analogy is probably quite good. Has the pretence of independence until
its meal time, when its back at the bowl looking mournful and waiting for the
handout.

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Spud

My "list" was a response, not an attempt to educate.

I voted UKIP because I refuse on principle to vote Tory, Labour or Liberal-
Democrat, all three of whom have no real concern either for the practicality
of running this country properly or for the well-being of the British people.

I regard the three main parties as akin to the war lords in Afghanistan:
interested in power for its own sake.