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New 'London Connections' map with added LO and new family member,
On 2015\05\23 15:39, Mizter T wrote:
On 22/05/2015 19:37, Peter Smyth wrote: Basil Jet wrote: I just looked at the timetable for the Cheshunt/Chingford lines, http://www.tfl.gov.uk/cdn/static/cms...e-may-2015.pdf and during the repeating sections (all day Saturday and Sunday and bits on weekdays), there are 8 tph between Liverpool Street and Hackney Downs, with alternating 1 minute and 14 minute gaps in either direction at Hackney Downs! The problem is if you spread out the slow trains more evenly, they will get in the way of the fast trains to Stansted/Cambridge. Short of building extra tracks between Liverpool Street and Bethnal Green, I don't think there is any easy answer to this problem. Agreed. I don't agree. The fast trains have their own tracks from Hackney Downs to Bethnal Green. From BG to Liverpool Street they can either use the fast Shenfield tracks or interleave with the slow Hackneys, but either way I don't see there being no room for a slow Hackney every 7.5 minutes. Neither the fast line to Shenfield nor Hackney is that heavily used, is it? |
New 'London Connections' map with added LO and new family member,
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New 'London Connections' map with added LO and new family member,
I find it odd that the new Tube map doesn't show Tramlink. I know it's not part of the Tube, but they show DLR, TfL Rail and all of the bits of the Overground including six stations in Hertfordshire and an entire shuttle which never strays far from the M25. They even show the bloody emirates airline, which is fun but frankly barely qualifies as transport at all. I see no difference between DLR and Tramlink significant enough to warrant only one being on the Tube Map. While I'm here, Croydon Tramlink arose from a study called, IIRC, "New transport ideas for London" or some similar title, which contained many other proposed tram lines in other parts of London. Obviously none of the others have emerged. Does this mean that Tramlink is officially considered to have been a failure? Or are other parts of London on a nationwide queue of schemes, and as soon as Metrolink's latest branch is opened will we get a Harrow Tramlink? Now that I've asked the question, I suspect Crossrail has swallowed up the Home Counties' allocation of government spending until about 2050. |
New 'London Connections' map with added LO and new family member,
Basil Jet wrote:
I find it odd that the new Tube map doesn't show Tramlink. I know it's not part of the Tube, but they show DLR, TfL Rail and all of the bits of the Overground including six stations in Hertfordshire and an entire shuttle which never strays far from the M25. They even show the bloody emirates airline, which is fun but frankly barely qualifies as transport at all. I see no difference between DLR and Tramlink significant enough to warrant only one being on the Tube Map. While I'm here, Croydon Tramlink arose from a study called, IIRC, "New transport ideas for London" or some similar title, which contained many other proposed tram lines in other parts of London. Obviously none of the others have emerged. Does this mean that Tramlink is officially considered to have been a failure? Or are other parts of London on a nationwide queue of schemes, and as soon as Metrolink's latest branch is opened will we get a Harrow Tramlink? Now that I've asked the question, I suspect Crossrail has swallowed up the Home Counties' allocation of government spending until about 2050. Tramlink works because most of it runs on old railway formations, or at least segregated tracks. I think the other London tram proposals have included mostly on-street running, or taking over existing roads. That leads to huge opposition from local residents and businesses, and the on-street trams are hardly faster than buses. |
New 'London Connections' map with added LO and new family member,
On 2015\05\24 11:25, Paul Corfield wrote:
The other "Transit" schemes were downgraded from tram or trolleybus operation to bus schemes and even there only a half arsed scheme at Barking Reach has been built with some fancy paving and branded bus shelters. It's still just a double deck operated bus service. This is the only infrastructure I've found... I don't think half-arsed sums that up. It's definitely total-arsed. Is the problem with trams that the tracks are bad for cyclists? I can't see why trams need grooves or flanges in this day and age. A pair of flat metal rails set in the tarmac with sensors which steer the wheels onto the rails would reduce squealing, be safer for cyclists and would allow points to have no moving parts. They would also be impossible to derail. |
New 'London Connections' map with added LO and new family member,
In article , (Roland
Perry) wrote: In message , at 20:17:43 on Sat, 23 May 2015, remarked: Will AGA be left with any routes of its own in Greater London? I can't think of any. Services to Stansted Airport, Cambridge[1], Southend, Chelmsford and beyond on the main line. [1] Extended to the Fen Line at peaks. How many of them are in Greater London? They all have one end in Greater London. We are not discussing lines with just "one end in Greater London" but lines which are mostly in Greater London. If you say so. Stratford to Bishops Stortford serves six stations in Greater London, and five beyond. Via the Lea Valley route which we have already identified as the only remaining AGA route in Greater London. Do keep up! -- Colin Rosenstiel |
New 'London Connections' map with added LO and new family member,
In article ,
(Paul Corfield) wrote: On Sun, 24 May 2015 11:56:50 +0100, Basil Jet wrote: On 2015\05\24 11:25, Paul Corfield wrote: The other "Transit" schemes were downgraded from tram or trolleybus operation to bus schemes and even there only a half arsed scheme at Barking Reach has been built with some fancy paving and branded bus shelters. It's still just a double deck operated bus service. This is the only infrastructure I've found... I don't think half-arsed sums that up. It's definitely total-arsed. Is the problem with trams that the tracks are bad for cyclists? I can't see why trams need grooves or flanges in this day and age. A pair of flat metal rails set in the tarmac with sensors which steer the wheels onto the rails would reduce squealing, be safer for cyclists and would allow points to have no moving parts. They would also be impossible to derail. Given that the Netherlands, Belgium, Germany and Switzerland are perfectly capable of having cycle, tram and trolleybus infrastructure working alongside each other with little difficulty I don't think that's an issue. Of course the UK has little experience of such infrastructure and parallel modal working that we will imagine all sorts of risk, crises, accidents etc which is really a load of old ********. We decided that we didn't want to do that "continental rubbish" after the 1950s and 60s so we've wasted nigh on half a century wedding ourselves to the car when we could have achieved a better mix of modes. A further UK-only hazard is the 1870 Tramways Act which still makes tramway operators responsible for maintaining the highway around the tracks at their expense, in effect subsidising their opposition. London is now struggling to install cycle infrastructure that is adequate and appropriate because we don't have the relevant expertise and the plans have been criticised by everyone - cycle lobbyists, business, taxi drivers etc. What is being built now will inevitably be a compromise and unlikely to satisfy anyone. Of course the Embankment cycleway could have been a tramway reserved track as well. -- Colin Rosenstiel |
New 'London Connections' map with added LO and new family member,
In message , at 11:33:37
on Sun, 24 May 2015, remarked: Stratford to Bishops Stortford serves six stations in Greater London, and five beyond. Via the Lea Valley route which we have already identified as the only remaining AGA route in Greater London. Do keep up! Although that was probably in the context of Liverpool St services. -- Roland Perry |
New 'London Connections' map with added LO and new family member,
In article , (Roland
Perry) wrote: In message , at 11:33:37 on Sun, 24 May 2015, remarked: Stratford to Bishops Stortford serves six stations in Greater London, and five beyond. Via the Lea Valley route which we have already identified as the only remaining AGA route in Greater London. Do keep up! Although that was probably in the context of Liverpool St services. AGA will still have London services other than from Liverpool St from 31st May? -- Colin Rosenstiel |
New 'London Connections' map with added LO and new family member,
On 2015\05\24 20:11, Paul Corfield wrote:
On Sun, 24 May 2015 13:29:43 -0500, wrote: In article , (Roland Perry) wrote: In message , at 11:33:37 on Sun, 24 May 2015, remarked: Stratford to Bishops Stortford serves six stations in Greater London, and five beyond. Via the Lea Valley route which we have already identified as the only remaining AGA route in Greater London. Do keep up! Although that was probably in the context of Liverpool St services. AGA will still have London services other than from Liverpool St from 31st May? Yes the aforementioned Lea Valley service that runs from Stratford daily. .... which presumably includes the proposed STAR services, although it seems odd that new services entirely in London should be run by anyone but London Overground. |
New 'London Connections' map with added LO and new family member,
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(Paul Corfield) wrote: On Sun, 24 May 2015 13:29:43 -0500, wrote: In article , (Roland Perry) wrote: In message , at 11:33:37 on Sun, 24 May 2015, remarked: Stratford to Bishops Stortford serves six stations in Greater London, and five beyond. Via the Lea Valley route which we have already identified as the only remaining AGA route in Greater London. Do keep up! Although that was probably in the context of Liverpool St services. AGA will still have London services other than from Liverpool St from 31st May? Yes the aforementioned Lea Valley service that runs from Stratford daily. My question was whether there were any other services elsewhere we might have overlooked earlier. The earlier discussion seemed puzzled that the Lea Valley services should be the only London ones left with AGA. -- Colin Rosenstiel |
New 'London Connections' map with added LO and new family member,
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New 'London Connections' map with added LO and new family member,
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New 'London Connections' map with added LO and new family member,
In article , (Roland
Perry) wrote: In message , at 15:54:55 on Sun, 24 May 2015, remarked: AGA will still have London services other than from Liverpool St from 31st May? Yes the aforementioned Lea Valley service that runs from Stratford daily. My question was whether there were any other services elsewhere we might have overlooked earlier. The earlier discussion seemed puzzled that the Lea Valley services should be the only London ones left with AGA. a) They aren't b) Who expected the Lea Valley services to Cambridge and Kings Lynn (let alone Bishops Stortford or Stansted) to be taken over by TfL? Not them of course. It seems there is a clear division, with services terminating at Cheshunt only going via Seven Sisters these days. -- Colin Rosenstiel |
New 'London Connections' map with added LO and new family member,
In article , (Roland
Perry) wrote: In message , at 13:29:43 on Sun, 24 May 2015, remarked: Stratford to Bishops Stortford serves six stations in Greater London, and five beyond. Via the Lea Valley route which we have already identified as the only remaining AGA route in Greater London. Do keep up! Although that was probably in the context of Liverpool St services. AGA will still have London services other than from Liverpool St from 31st May? Yes. Stratford to Bishops Stortford. That is no more a London service than Liverpool St to Hertford East or Bishop's Stortford and beyond with similar proportions of stations inside and outside the zones. Although there are 6 stations within the zones between Stratford and Bishop's Stortford, they aren't all in Greater London. that only covers zones 1-6. -- Colin Rosenstiel |
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called The District Line. I am, of course, aware that most "regulars" in this forum have no regard for cars or motorists, but I must point out that the changes to the Embankment route since TfL was first set up have substantially increased congestion and air pollution in London. I believe public transport enthusiasts affect a concern for the environment? |
New 'London Connections' map with added LO and new family member,
In message , at 17:52:45
on Sun, 24 May 2015, remarked: In article , (Roland Perry) wrote: In message , at 13:29:43 on Sun, 24 May 2015, remarked: Stratford to Bishops Stortford serves six stations in Greater London, and five beyond. Via the Lea Valley route which we have already identified as the only remaining AGA route in Greater London. Do keep up! Although that was probably in the context of Liverpool St services. AGA will still have London services other than from Liverpool St from 31st May? Yes. Stratford to Bishops Stortford. That is no more a London service than Liverpool St to Hertford East or Bishop's Stortford and beyond with similar proportions of stations inside and outside the zones. Although there are 6 stations within the zones between Stratford and Bishop's Stortford, To which it is providing a service. It's not compulsory to end your journey at Harlow or Bishops Startford. they aren't all in Greater London. that only covers zones 1-6. I'm taking my definition of "London" as what's shown on TfL's map of "London rail and tube services" (see the thread title). -- Roland Perry |
New 'London Connections' map with added LO and new family member,
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New 'London Connections' map with added LO and new family member,
In article , (Roland
Perry) wrote: In message , at 17:52:45 on Sun, 24 May 2015, remarked: In article , (Roland Perry) wrote: In message , at 13:29:43 on Sun, 24 May 2015, remarked: Stratford to Bishops Stortford serves six stations in Greater London, and five beyond. Via the Lea Valley route which we have already identified as the only remaining AGA route in Greater London. Do keep up! Although that was probably in the context of Liverpool St services. AGA will still have London services other than from Liverpool St from 31st May? Yes. Stratford to Bishops Stortford. That is no more a London service than Liverpool St to Hertford East or Bishop's Stortford and beyond with similar proportions of stations inside and outside the zones. Although there are 6 stations within the zones between Stratford and Bishop's Stortford, To which it is providing a service. It's not compulsory to end your journey at Harlow or Bishops Startford. they aren't all in Greater London. that only covers zones 1-6. I'm taking my definition of "London" as what's shown on TfL's map of "London rail and tube services" (see the thread title). Zones beyond 6 are only there to allow Oyster to work outside Greater London. Are you asking for Oyster zones all the way to Bishop's Stortford? -- Colin Rosenstiel |
New 'London Connections' map with added LO and new family member,
In message , at 07:28:17
on Mon, 25 May 2015, remarked: I'm taking my definition of "London" as what's shown on TfL's map of "London rail and tube services" (see the thread title). Zones beyond 6 are only there to allow Oyster to work outside Greater London. Are you asking for Oyster zones all the way to Bishop's Stortford? No, just for the stations on the "London rail and tube services" map to be generally understood as being in London. -- Roland Perry |
New 'London Connections' map with added LO and new family member,
In article , (Roland
Perry) wrote: In message , at 07:28:17 on Mon, 25 May 2015, remarked: I'm taking my definition of "London" as what's shown on TfL's map of "London rail and tube services" (see the thread title). Zones beyond 6 are only there to allow Oyster to work outside Greater London. Are you asking for Oyster zones all the way to Bishop's Stortford? No, just for the stations on the "London rail and tube services" map to be generally understood as being in London. You say. I doubt they would agree with you in Hertfordshire. And the STAR service could not be handed over to LO unless its stations were added to the Oyster zones. -- Colin Rosenstiel |
New 'London Connections' map with added LO and new family member,
In message , at 09:00:46
on Mon, 25 May 2015, remarked: I'm taking my definition of "London" as what's shown on TfL's map of "London rail and tube services" (see the thread title). Zones beyond 6 are only there to allow Oyster to work outside Greater London. Are you asking for Oyster zones all the way to Bishop's Stortford? No, just for the stations on the "London rail and tube services" map to be generally understood as being in London. You say. I doubt they would agree with you in Hertfordshire. The stations in question are inside the green belt (although some might say anomalously so). http://londongreenbeltcouncil.org.uk...gbmapleaflet15 ..02.15.pdf -- Roland Perry |
New 'London Connections' map with added LO and new family member,
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New 'London Connections' map with added LO and new family member,
"Roland Perry" wrote No, just for the stations on the "London rail and tube services" map to be generally understood as being in London. You say. I doubt they would agree with you in Hertfordshire. The stations in question are inside the green belt (although some might say anomalously so). http://londongreenbeltcouncil.org.uk...gbmapleaflet15 ..02.15.pdf http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metropolitan_Green_Belt Goes out to Guildford, Windsor and more so Metropolitan-but outside-London -- Mike D |
New 'London Connections' map with added LO and new family member,
In article , (Peter Smyth) wrote:
wrote: Given that the Netherlands, Belgium, Germany and Switzerland are perfectly capable of having cycle, tram and trolleybus infrastructure working alongside each other with little difficulty I don't think that's an issue. Of course the UK has little experience of such infrastructure and parallel modal working that we will imagine all sorts of risk, crises, accidents etc which is really a load of old ********. We decided that we didn't want to do that "continental rubbish" after the 1950s and 60s so we've wasted nigh on half a century wedding ourselves to the car when we could have achieved a better mix of modes. A further UK-only hazard is the 1870 Tramways Act which still makes tramway operators responsible for maintaining the highway around the tracks at their expense, in effect subsidising their opposition. That seems reasonable enough. I would assume in almost every case the road was there before the tram came along? The rest of the world doesn't expect the areas outside the tracks to be maintained as well as those incidental to the actual tracks. -- Colin Rosenstiel |
New 'London Connections' map with added LO and new family member,
In article , (Roland
Perry) wrote: In message , at 09:00:46 on Mon, 25 May 2015, remarked: I'm taking my definition of "London" as what's shown on TfL's map of "London rail and tube services" (see the thread title). Zones beyond 6 are only there to allow Oyster to work outside Greater London. Are you asking for Oyster zones all the way to Bishop's Stortford? No, just for the stations on the "London rail and tube services" map to be generally understood as being in London. You say. I doubt they would agree with you in Hertfordshire. The stations in question are inside the green belt (although some might say anomalously so). http://londongreenbeltcouncil.org.uk...leaflet15.02.1 5.pdf Hertford East and Bishop's Stortford? Doesn't look like it to me. -- Colin Rosenstiel |
New 'London Connections' map with added LO and new family member,
wrote:
In article , (Peter Smyth) wrote: wrote: Given that the Netherlands, Belgium, Germany and Switzerland are perfectly capable of having cycle, tram and trolleybus infrastructure working alongside each other with little difficulty I don't think that's an issue. Of course the UK has little experience of such infrastructure and parallel modal working that we will imagine all sorts of risk, crises, accidents etc which is really a load of old ********. We decided that we didn't want to do that "continental rubbish" after the 1950s and 60s so we've wasted nigh on half a century wedding ourselves to the car when we could have achieved a better mix of modes. A further UK-only hazard is the 1870 Tramways Act which still makes tramway operators responsible for maintaining the highway around the tracks at their expense, in effect subsidising their opposition. That seems reasonable enough. I would assume in almost every case the road was there before the tram came along? The rest of the world doesn't expect the areas outside the tracks to be maintained as well as those incidental to the actual tracks. They are only required to maintain the road within 18 inches either side of the tracks. Peter Smyth |
New 'London Connections' map with added LO and new family member,
In article , (Peter Smyth) wrote:
wrote: In article , (Peter Smyth) wrote: wrote: Given that the Netherlands, Belgium, Germany and Switzerland are perfectly capable of having cycle, tram and trolleybus infrastructure working alongside each other with little difficulty I don't think that's an issue. Of course the UK has little experience of such infrastructure and parallel modal working that we will imagine all sorts of risk, crises, accidents etc which is really a load of old ********. We decided that we didn't want to do that "continental rubbish" after the 1950s and 60s so we've wasted nigh on half a century wedding ourselves to the car when we could have achieved a better mix of modes. A further UK-only hazard is the 1870 Tramways Act which still makes tramway operators responsible for maintaining the highway around the tracks at their expense, in effect subsidising their opposition. That seems reasonable enough. I would assume in almost every case the road was there before the tram came along? The rest of the world doesn't expect the areas outside the tracks to be maintained as well as those incidental to the actual tracks. They are only required to maintain the road within 18 inches either side of the tracks. Exactly. Do they have to do that in Netherlands, Germany, Switzerland or Austria? I know that strict cost allocation helped cross-subsidise German tramways while we were ripping ours up. -- Colin Rosenstiel |
New 'London Connections' map with added LO and new family member,
In message , at 20:18:25 on Mon, 25
May 2015, Michael R N Dolbear remarked: "Roland Perry" wrote No, just for the stations on the "London rail and tube services" map to be generally understood as being in London. You say. I doubt they would agree with you in Hertfordshire. The stations in question are inside the green belt (although some might say anomalously so). http://londongreenbeltcouncil.org.uk...gbmapleaflet15 .02.15.pdf http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metropolitan_Green_Belt Goes out to Guildford, Windsor and more so Metropolitan-but outside-London Did you look at the flyer I posted? It shows that the area adjacent to the railway line, all the way to Broxbourne, isn't designated green belt. -- Roland Perry |
New 'London Connections' map with added LO and new family member,
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New 'London Connections' map with added LO and new family member,
In article , (Roland
Perry) wrote: In message , at 15:21:21 on Mon, 25 May 2015, remarked: No, just for the stations on the "London rail and tube services" map to be generally understood as being in London. You say. I doubt they would agree with you in Hertfordshire. The stations in question are inside the green belt (although some might say anomalously so). http://londongreenbeltcouncil.org.uk...apleaflet15.02 ..15.pdf Hertford East and Bishop's Stortford? Doesn't look like it to me. Those aren't on the "London rail and tube services" map either. So the routes there rightly remain with Greater Anglia then? -- Colin Rosenstiel |
New 'London Connections' map with added LO and new family member,
In message , at 02:50:06
on Tue, 26 May 2015, remarked: No, just for the stations on the "London rail and tube services" map to be generally understood as being in London. You say. I doubt they would agree with you in Hertfordshire. The stations in question are inside the green belt (although some might say anomalously so). http://londongreenbeltcouncil.org.uk...apleaflet15.02 .15.pdf Hertford East and Bishop's Stortford? Doesn't look like it to me. Those aren't on the "London rail and tube services" map either. So the routes there rightly remain with Greater Anglia then? Yes, they do, but they also serve whichever definition of London we take. For intermediate journeys as well as out to the countryside. Of course, the Overground to Watford Junction is also straying into Herts. -- Roland Perry |
New 'London Connections' map with added LO and new family member,
In article , (Roland
Perry) wrote: In message , at 02:50:06 on Tue, 26 May 2015, remarked: No, just for the stations on the "London rail and tube services" map to be generally understood as being in London. You say. I doubt they would agree with you in Hertfordshire. The stations in question are inside the green belt (although some might say anomalously so). http://londongreenbeltcouncil.org.uk...mapleaflet15.0 2.15.pdf Hertford East and Bishop's Stortford? Doesn't look like it to me. Those aren't on the "London rail and tube services" map either. So the routes there rightly remain with Greater Anglia then? Yes, they do, but they also serve whichever definition of London we take. For intermediate journeys as well as out to the countryside. Of course, the Overground to Watford Junction is also straying into Herts. And there are London Midland services going well beyond London, just like Greater Anglia. -- Colin Rosenstiel |
New 'London Connections' map with added LO and new family member,
In message , at 04:36:31
on Tue, 26 May 2015, remarked: No, just for the stations on the "London rail and tube services" map to be generally understood as being in London. You say. I doubt they would agree with you in Hertfordshire. The stations in question are inside the green belt (although some might say anomalously so). http://londongreenbeltcouncil.org.uk...mapleaflet15.0 2.15.pdf Hertford East and Bishop's Stortford? Doesn't look like it to me. Those aren't on the "London rail and tube services" map either. So the routes there rightly remain with Greater Anglia then? Yes, they do, but they also serve whichever definition of London we take. For intermediate journeys as well as out to the countryside. Of course, the Overground to Watford Junction is also straying into Herts. And there are London Midland services going well beyond London, just like Greater Anglia. Not sure what that statement is trying to prove. -- Roland Perry |
New 'London Connections' map with added LO and new family member,
In article , (Roland
Perry) wrote: In message , at 04:36:31 on Tue, 26 May 2015, remarked: No, just for the stations on the "London rail and tube services" map to be generally understood as being in London. You say. I doubt they would agree with you in Hertfordshire. The stations in question are inside the green belt (although some might say anomalously so). http://londongreenbeltcouncil.org.uk...leaflet15.02.1 5.pdf Hertford East and Bishop's Stortford? Doesn't look like it to me. Those aren't on the "London rail and tube services" map either. So the routes there rightly remain with Greater Anglia then? Yes, they do, but they also serve whichever definition of London we take. For intermediate journeys as well as out to the countryside. Of course, the Overground to Watford Junction is also straying into Herts. And there are London Midland services going well beyond London, just like Greater Anglia. Not sure what that statement is trying to prove. That the STAR service should rightly be run by the Greater Anglia TOC and not be taken over by TfL. -- Colin Rosenstiel |
New 'London Connections' map with added LO and new family member,
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New 'London Connections' map with added LO and new family member,
In article , (Roland
Perry) wrote: In message , at 07:29:45 on Tue, 26 May 2015, remarked: Of course, the Overground to Watford Junction is also straying into Herts. And there are London Midland services going well beyond London, just like Greater Anglia. Not sure what that statement is trying to prove. That the STAR service should rightly be run by the Greater Anglia TOC and not be taken over by TfL. So not refuting that AGA's Stratford-Bishops Stortford service also serves Londoners? So do Hertford East services, including those via Seven Sisters. -- Colin Rosenstiel |
New 'London Connections' map with added LO and new family member,TfL Rail
As of now (Saturday 19:30) https://tfl.gov.uk/maps links to a tube map that does show the new Overground lines, but a London connections map that doesn't, and an Overground map that doesn't. Very poor! |
New 'London Connections' map with added LO and new family member,
In article , (Basil Jet)
wrote: As of now (Saturday 19:30) https://tfl.gov.uk/maps links to a tube map that does show the new Overground lines, but a London connections map that doesn't, and an Overground map that doesn't. Very poor! Surely the new map only comes into effect tomorrow? -- Colin Rosenstiel |
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