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New 'London Connections' map with added LO and new family member,TfL Rail
Picked up a copy of the new "London's Rail & Tube services" map- the one
with London & the South East rail services on the reverse - dunno why they ditched the nifty 'London Connections' name but whatever, I suppose the newer name is more descriptive and perhaps less cryptic. Anyway, it's valid from 31 May 2015, and features the solid orange of London Overground on the West Anglia Metro services - Enfield Town, Cheshunt (via S.S.) and Chingford (I wonder how they're going to name/brand them), and the new solid blue of Crossra... easy, not quite yet(!)... the new solid blue of 'TfL Rail', the interim brand being used on the Shenfield Metro services that are transferring to TfL control (to be operated by MTR) and will in future head into the new tunnel under London heading west. I was at St James Street station (Walthamstow) recently around dusk, and it wasn't doing a very good job of being an attractive proposition of a railway station. I think I shall take that as my measure of comparison for the improvements that LO shall bring. Also, I assume - correctly I very much hope - that the uncared for Hackney Downs station is falling under LO management! The comparison in welcomingness (to coin an awkward word) between that station and Hackney Central (LO territory) around the corner is significant. |
New 'London Connections' map with added LO and new family member, TfL Rail
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Tue, 19 May 2015, Paul Corfield remarked: Picked up a copy of the new "London's Rail & Tube services" map- the one with London & the South East rail services on the reverse - dunno why they ditched the nifty 'London Connections' name but whatever, I suppose the newer name is more descriptive and perhaps less cryptic. Where did you pick it up from? Anyway, it's valid from 31 May 2015, Online it's still the December 2014 edition. -- Roland Perry |
New 'London Connections' map with added LO and new family member, TfL Rail
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In message , at 00:39:30 on Tue, 19 May 2015, Paul Corfield remarked: Picked up a copy of the new "London's Rail & Tube services" map- the one with London & the South East rail services on the reverse - dunno why they ditched the nifty 'London Connections' name but whatever, I suppose the newer name is more descriptive and perhaps less cryptic. Where did you pick it up from? Anyway, it's valid from 31 May 2015, Online it's still the December 2014 edition. Presumably they only put the new one online once it's valid? |
New 'London Connections' map with added LO and new family member, TfL Rail
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-septemb er.org, at 07:49:20 on Tue, 19 May 2015, Recliner remarked: Picked up a copy of the new "London's Rail & Tube services" map- the one with London & the South East rail services on the reverse - dunno why they ditched the nifty 'London Connections' name but whatever, I suppose the newer name is more descriptive and perhaps less cryptic. Where did you pick it up from? Anyway, it's valid from 31 May 2015, Online it's still the December 2014 edition. Presumably they only put the new one online once it's valid? That would certainly be consistent with industry practice of keeping new fares, timetables and route-maps a closely guarded secret until commuters turn up at their stations on the day they come into force. -- Roland Perry |
New 'London Connections' map with added LO and new family member, TfL Rail
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New 'London Connections' map with added LO and new family member, TfL Rail
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In article , (Recliner) wrote: Roland Perry wrote: In message , at 00:39:30 on Tue, 19 May 2015, Paul Corfield remarked: Picked up a copy of the new "London's Rail & Tube services" map- the one with London & the South East rail services on the reverse - dunno why they ditched the nifty 'London Connections' name but whatever, I suppose the newer name is more descriptive and perhaps less cryptic. Where did you pick it up from? Anyway, it's valid from 31 May 2015, Online it's still the December 2014 edition. Presumably they only put the new one online once it's valid? Well, they changed the Victoria Line car line diagrams to show interchange with London Overground at 3 stations late last month. Physical maps take a while to print, distribute and place; online maps can be replaced just in time. |
New 'London Connections' map with added LO and new family member, TfL Rail
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-septemb er.org, at 09:55:36 on Tue, 19 May 2015, Recliner remarked: Physical maps take a while to print, distribute and place; online maps can be replaced just in time. So that's 4am on the 31st? 8am would be "just too late" for people heading to work that morning and wanting to check the map. -- Roland Perry |
New 'London Connections' map with added LO and new family member,TfL Rail
On 2015\05\18 21:38, Mizter T wrote:
Picked up a copy of the new "London's Rail & Tube services" map- the one with London & the South East rail services on the reverse - dunno why they ditched the nifty 'London Connections' name but whatever, I suppose the newer name is more descriptive and perhaps less cryptic. Anyway, it's valid from 31 May 2015, and features the solid orange of London Overground on the West Anglia Metro services - Enfield Town, Cheshunt (via S.S.) and Chingford (I wonder how they're going to name/brand them), and the new solid blue of Crossra... easy, not quite yet(!)... the new solid blue of 'TfL Rail', the interim brand being used on the Shenfield Metro services that are transferring to TfL control (to be operated by MTR) and will in future head into the new tunnel under London heading west. Presumably the Emerson Park line is orange too. Is Haggerston, Hackney, Tottenham and Walthamstow really just a big mess of orange lines that don't interchange? Very pooer. |
New 'London Connections' map with added LO and new family member, TfL Rail
On Tue, 19 May 2015 11:42:57 +0100, Roland Perry
wrote: In message -septemb er.org, at 09:55:36 on Tue, 19 May 2015, Recliner remarked: Physical maps take a while to print, distribute and place; online maps can be replaced just in time. So that's 4am on the 31st? 8am would be "just too late" for people heading to work that morning and wanting to check the map. A day or two in advance would be ideal. |
New 'London Connections' map with added LO and new family member,TfL Rail
On 19/05/2015 11:42, Roland Perry wrote: In message -septemb er.org, at 09:55:36 on Tue, 19 May 2015, Recliner remarked: Physical maps take a while to print, distribute and place; online maps can be replaced just in time. So that's 4am on the 31st? 8am would be "just too late" for people heading to work that morning and wanting to check the map. Oh Mr P, you do like to pick a fight where there isn't one. None of the services are changing, just the operators. Most commuters don't check the map each morning in case the lines have moved overnight. |
New 'London Connections' map with added LO and new family member, TfL Rail
In message , at 20:49:39 on Tue, 19 May
2015, Mizter T remarked: Physical maps take a while to print, distribute and place; online maps can be replaced just in time. So that's 4am on the 31st? 8am would be "just too late" for people heading to work that morning and wanting to check the map. Oh Mr P, you do like to pick a fight where there isn't one. None of the services are changing, just the operators. No timetable changes, or fares? -- Roland Perry |
New 'London Connections' map with added LO and new family member, TfL Rail
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 20:49:39 on Tue, 19 May 2015, Mizter T remarked: Physical maps take a while to print, distribute and place; online maps can be replaced just in time. So that's 4am on the 31st? 8am would be "just too late" for people heading to work that morning and wanting to check the map. Oh Mr P, you do like to pick a fight where there isn't one. None of the services are changing, just the operators. No timetable changes, or fares? Even if there are, would the map show them? |
New 'London Connections' map with added LO and new family member,TfL Rail
On 19/05/2015 21:17, Roland Perry wrote: In message , at 20:49:39 on Tue, 19 May 2015, Mizter T remarked: Physical maps take a while to print, distribute and place; online maps can be replaced just in time. So that's 4am on the 31st? 8am would be "just too late" for people heading to work that morning and wanting to check the map. Oh Mr P, you do like to pick a fight where there isn't one. None of the services are changing, just the operators. No timetable changes, or fares? Given the summer timetable has just commenced (17 May), there won't be any timetable changes. Fares changes - yes, Brentwood is moving into zone 9, and presumably the TfL-controlled lines will start charging the TfL rate rather than the NR rate for PAYG/contactless fares, meaning the red bits on the West Anglia and GEML on this map will turn green: http://www.tfl.gov.uk/cdn/static/cms/documents/pay-as-you-go-tarrifs-national-rail.pdf |
New 'London Connections' map with added LO and new family member,TfL Rail
On 19/05/2015 21:25, Recliner wrote: Roland Perry wrote: [...] Physical maps take a while to print, distribute and place; online maps can be replaced just in time. So that's 4am on the 31st? 8am would be "just too late" for people heading to work that morning and wanting to check the map. Oh Mr P, you do like to pick a fight where there isn't one. None of the services are changing, just the operators. No timetable changes, or fares? Even if there are, would the map show them? The only change the map shows is Brentwood moving into zone 9, from being in the PAYG area but outside the zones (Shenfield remains in the latter situation - no doubt because Greater Anglia are in charges of the fares from there, much like the situation at Watford Junction with London Midland). |
New 'London Connections' map with added LO and new family member,TfL Rail
On 19/05/2015 00:39, Paul Corfield wrote: On Mon, 18 May 2015 21:38:47 +0100, Mizter T wrote: Picked up a copy of the new "London's Rail & Tube services" map- the one with London & the South East rail services on the reverse - dunno why they ditched the nifty 'London Connections' name but whatever, I suppose the newer name is more descriptive and perhaps less cryptic. Where did you pick it up from? Erm, I think it may have been Beckenham Junction but I wouldn't swear to that. It's not under some sort of embargo is it, so I'm not about to get someone fired by saying that?! For al I know it's elsewhere as well, I haven't really been looking. Distribution and availability of the (printed) map certainly seem rather better these days than they once were, though still somewhat sporadic. Anyway, it's valid from 31 May 2015, and features the solid orange of London Overground on the West Anglia Metro services - Enfield Town, Cheshunt (via S.S.) and Chingford (I wonder how they're going to name/brand them), and the new solid blue of Crossra... easy, not quite yet(!)... the new solid blue of 'TfL Rail', the interim brand being used on the Shenfield Metro services that are transferring to TfL control (to be operated by MTR) and will in future head into the new tunnel under London heading west. I was at St James Street station (Walthamstow) recently around dusk, and it wasn't doing a very good job of being an attractive proposition of a railway station. I think I shall take that as my measure of comparison for the improvements that LO shall bring. Well St James St has never been a byword for an attractive station. It was the first suburban rail station I used in Greater London. It's even worse now given the alterations to remove the need to pass through the ticket hall to reach the street from platform level. I suspect TfL will end up reversing whatever it is that WAGN / National Express / Abellio have done (I've no idea when the changes were made). You certainly can't put ticket gates in the place at the moment and I understand TfL want all the stations gated. That's something of a challenge in itself given the limited space at some stations. I imagine that fares revenue will see a bit of a jump then! I recall some TfL press blurb talking of the jump in passenger numbers on the NLL in something like the first year after the LO takeover - without a doubt 'Overgroundisation' started making the whole service more attractive even a short while after taking control (with small things like, y'know, actually cleaning the trains!) - but the fact there was actually started being a significant attempt to ensure people had tickets (gating stations and RPI checks) might have just had something to do with it, compared to Silverlink's attitude which was essentially that of defeat (apart from passengers interchanging at Willesden Junction, which courtesy of privatisation had been illogically placed in zone 3). I know things are squeezed purse-strings wise (seems like it'll be the case forever more), but I assume there is at least some funding for improvements to the new parts of LO and also the to-be-Crossrail stations on the GEML? They will at least have a custodian who's in it for the long haul. I recall in 2007 there was a memorandum of understanding between the DfT and TfL which basically said that the handover to them of the LO routes was a long term thing - has there been similar in the case of the Wesn Anglia metro routes (it's kinda implicit in terms of the Shenfield line in the context of Crossrail). |
New 'London Connections' map with added LO and new family member, TfL Rail
In article
rg, (Recliner) wrote: wrote: In article rg, (Recliner) wrote: Roland Perry wrote: In message , at 00:39:30 on Tue, 19 May 2015, Paul Corfield remarked: Picked up a copy of the new "London's Rail & Tube services" map- the one with London & the South East rail services on the reverse - dunno why they ditched the nifty 'London Connections' name but whatever, I suppose the newer name is more descriptive and perhaps less cryptic. Where did you pick it up from? Anyway, it's valid from 31 May 2015, Online it's still the December 2014 edition. Presumably they only put the new one online once it's valid? Well, they changed the Victoria Line car line diagrams to show interchange with London Overground at 3 stations late last month. Physical maps take a while to print, distribute and place; online maps can be replaced just in time. No new maps were printed. These are overlay stickers which could easily have been applied in depot nearer the time. -- Colin Rosenstiel |
New 'London Connections' map with added LO and new family member, TfL Rail
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In article , (Recliner) wrote: wrote: In article , (Recliner) wrote: Roland Perry wrote: In message , at 00:39:30 on Tue, 19 May 2015, Paul Corfield remarked: Picked up a copy of the new "London's Rail & Tube services" map- the one with London & the South East rail services on the reverse - dunno why they ditched the nifty 'London Connections' name but whatever, I suppose the newer name is more descriptive and perhaps less cryptic. Where did you pick it up from? Anyway, it's valid from 31 May 2015, Online it's still the December 2014 edition. Presumably they only put the new one online once it's valid? Well, they changed the Victoria Line car line diagrams to show interchange with London Overground at 3 stations late last month. Physical maps take a while to print, distribute and place; online maps can be replaced just in time. No new maps were printed. These are overlay stickers which could easily have been applied in depot nearer the time. Er, weren't the overlay stickers printed? The line has 376 cars with at least six line diagrams per car. The stickers need to be carefully aligned on the map before being pressed into place, which must mean they take 30 secs or so each. I'd imagine that sort of work is sub-contracted and is probably done by a small team over many days, perhaps when the trains are out of service between the peaks, rather than more expensively overnight. |
New 'London Connections' map with added LO and new family member,
On 20/05/2015 01:12, wrote: In article , (Mizter T) wrote: [snip] Fares changes - yes, Brentwood is moving into zone 9, and presumably the TfL-controlled lines will start charging the TfL rate rather than the NR rate for PAYG/contactless fares, meaning the red bits on the West Anglia and GEML on this map will turn green: http://www.tfl.gov.uk/cdn/static/cms/documents/pay-as-you-go-tarrifs-national-rail.pdf Not the Lea valley line, surely? Sorry, I was being a bit slapdash, you're absolutely correct - the Lea Valley line and its stations stay with Greater Anglia. So no improvements for Angel Rd station on the cards... https://www.flickr.com/photos/dgeezer/6953361031/ |
New 'London Connections' map with added LO and new family member, TfL Rail
On Wed, 20 May 2015 09:34:43 +0100, Paul Corfield
wrote: Sorry but the scale of the restickering task is enormous. I used to be responsible for ordering all of these changes and the work has to fit in alongside all the other work being done on the train fleets. There are thousands of line diagrams, maps, fixed signs, announcements and displays to be amended. How did you keep track of everything that needed to be changed? -- jhk |
New 'London Connections' map with added LO and new family member,
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In article , (Mizter T) wrote: On 19/05/2015 21:17, Roland Perry wrote: In message , at 20:49:39 on Tue, 19 May 2015, Mizter T remarked: Physical maps take a while to print, distribute and place; online maps can be replaced just in time. So that's 4am on the 31st? 8am would be "just too late" for people heading to work that morning and wanting to check the map. Oh Mr P, you do like to pick a fight where there isn't one. None of the services are changing, just the operators. No timetable changes, or fares? Given the summer timetable has just commenced (17 May), there won't be any timetable changes. Fares changes - yes, Brentwood is moving into zone 9, and presumably the TfL-controlled lines will start charging the TfL rate rather than the NR rate for PAYG/contactless fares, meaning the red bits on the West Anglia and GEML on this map will turn green: http://www.tfl.gov.uk/cdn/static/cms...arrifs-nationa l-rail.pdf Not the Lea valley line, surely? I think if you move one line onto the TfL fare scale, you have to move them all as there is no way to tell which line a journey from Cheshunt/Broxbourne to Liverpool Street has used. Peter Smyth |
New 'London Connections' map with added LO and new family member, TfL Rail
In message , at 00:39:30 on
Tue, 19 May 2015, Paul Corfield remarked: Picked up a copy of the new "London's Rail & Tube services" map- the one with London & the South East rail services on the reverse - dunno why they ditched the nifty 'London Connections' name but whatever, I suppose the newer name is more descriptive and perhaps less cryptic. Where did you pick it up from? http://www.standard.co.uk/news/trans...-of-transport- for-londons-newlook-rail-network-map-10262826.html for a story about the new map. -- Roland Perry |
New 'London Connections' map with added LO and new family member,TfL Rail
Do the changes mean I will be able to use my Freedom Pass out to Cheshunt and Brentwood?
Peter |
New 'London Connections' map with added LO and new family member,TfL Rail
Do the changes mean I will be able to use my Freedom Pass out to Cheshunt and Brentwood?
Peter |
New 'London Connections' map with added LO and new family member, TfL Rail
In article ,
(Paul Corfield) wrote: On Tue, 19 May 2015 19:12:57 -0500, wrote: In article -september. org, (Recliner) wrote: wrote: In article rg, (Recliner) wrote: Roland Perry wrote: In message , at 00:39:30 on Tue, 19 May 2015, Paul Corfield remarked: Picked up a copy of the new "London's Rail & Tube services" map- the one with London & the South East rail services on the reverse - dunno why they ditched the nifty 'London Connections' name but whatever, I suppose the newer name is more descriptive and perhaps less cryptic. Where did you pick it up from? Anyway, it's valid from 31 May 2015, Online it's still the December 2014 edition. Presumably they only put the new one online once it's valid? Well, they changed the Victoria Line car line diagrams to show interchange with London Overground at 3 stations late last month. Physical maps take a while to print, distribute and place; online maps can be replaced just in time. No new maps were printed. These are overlay stickers which could easily have been applied in depot nearer the time. Sorry but the scale of the restickering task is enormous. I used to be responsible for ordering all of these changes and the work has to fit in alongside all the other work being done on the train fleets. There are thousands of line diagrams, maps, fixed signs, announcements and displays to be amended. You also need to bear in mind the high utilisation level of 09 stock given the intensity of service now operated daily on the Vic Line. At least the rolling stock there has a modern DVA / VID system meaning the revised announcements and in car displays will probably just flip over on the day. Other fleets are an enormous pain to change. It's hardly the end of the world if some stickers go up a fortnight early. Better to be a bit early than weeks late. I would agree if the fortnight was not more like 6 weeks. -- Colin Rosenstiel |
New 'London Connections' map with added LO and new family member,TfL Rail
On Thursday, May 21, 2015 at 1:16:38 PM UTC+1, Paul Corfield wrote:
On Thu, 21 May 2015 00:42:24 -0700 (PDT), peter wrote: Do the changes mean I will be able to use my Freedom Pass out to Cheshunt and Brentwood? TfL have now issued a press release about the revised fares. My reading of it is that the 60+ and Freedom Pass become available on the transferred services all day. However this ONLY applies in respect of LOROL and TfL Rail operated services. http://www.tfl.gov.uk/info-for/media...ses/2015/fares One other interesting change is the adoption of the TfL PAYG farescale for journeys on the T Hale line even though services there are operated by Greater Anglia. -- Paul C Looks like it: "All TfL concessions and discounts that currently apply to London Underground, the Docklands Light Railway, and London Overground will apply on the rail services transferring to TfL. This will include: Free travel for under 11s accompanied by an adult Lower ZIP photocard fares for under 16s Free travel for customers with a 60+ London Oyster photocard, Freedom Pass or Veterans Oyster photocard" Thanks for digging this out. Peter |
New 'London Connections' map with added LO and new family member,
On 20/05/2015 23:42, Peter Smyth wrote: wrote: In article , (Mizter T) wrote: [...] Fares changes - yes, Brentwood is moving into zone 9, and presumably the TfL-controlled lines will start charging the TfL rate rather than the NR rate for PAYG/contactless fares, meaning the red bits on the West Anglia and GEML on this map will turn green: http://www.tfl.gov.uk/cdn/static/cms/documents/pay-as-you-go-tarrifs-national-rail.pdf Not the Lea valley line, surely? I think if you move one line onto the TfL fare scale, you have to move them all as there is no way to tell which line a journey from Cheshunt/Broxbourne to Liverpool Street has used. Yes, of course - it's obvious once you think about it! I see that Paul C has posted a link to a TfL release states the Lea Valley line will move across to the TfL fare scale as well, which is the simplest solution to this issue (apart from introducing a unified fare scale... don't hold your breath!). I guess there's some sort of commercial agreement underlying this between TfL and the franchisee (AGA). |
New 'London Connections' map with added LO and new family member,TfL Rail
On 18/05/2015 21:38, Mizter T wrote: Picked up a copy of the new "London's Rail & Tube services" map [...] The new Tube map incorporating the new parts of LO and also TfL Rail can be seen in PDF format via this link: http://www.tfl.gov.uk/cdn/static/cms/documents/tube-map-may-2015.pdf It's also now shown on the Tube map page on the TfL site here... http://www.tfl.gov.uk/maps/track/tube ....though the linked PDF (left hand side) still brings up the current/old map. |
New 'London Connections' map with added LO and new family member,TfL Rail
On 21/05/2015 13:16, Paul Corfield wrote: On Thu, 21 May 2015 00:42:24 -0700 (PDT), peter wrote: Do the changes mean I will be able to use my Freedom Pass out to Cheshunt and Brentwood? TfL have now issued a press release about the revised fares. My reading of it is that the 60+ and Freedom Pass become available on the transferred services all day. However this ONLY applies in respect of LOROL and TfL Rail operated services. http://www.tfl.gov.uk/info-for/media...ses/2015/fares One other interesting change is the adoption of the TfL PAYG farescale for journeys on the T Hale line even though services there are operated by Greater Anglia. This bit of the press release is interesting... ---quote--- Some fares will come down but will remain at a level consistent with National Rail to ensure the Crossrail Sponsors' Agreement and the Government's fare policy requirements are adhered to. For example, the pay as you go peak fare from Brentwood to Zone 1 will come down by £1.50 to £8.20 and the off-peak fare by £2.30 to £5.30 - significantly lower than the current fares but higher than the standard Zone 1-9 Tube fare. ---/quote--- So, Brentwood will be in zone 9, but my (quite possibly incorrect) reading of the situation is that it'll have more expensive *single* fares than the other zone 9 stations (a category that only consists of Chesham and Amersham) - however, the zone 1-9 caps and Travelcard prices will be the same. Also under the notes to editors is a clear and unambiguous statement regarding who will set what fares from (or indeed to) Shenfield station: ---quote--- Shenfield * Although the train services transferring to TfL Rail in May 2015 terminate at Shenfield, the station will continue to be served primarily by fast main line services. Abellio Greater Anglia will continue to manage the station and set most fares, including the pay as you go fares from Shenfield to Zone 1 and beyond, and all through fares to the rest of the National Rail network in the same way they do today. * All non-Zone 1 fares from Shenfield to the rest of the TfL rail network will be set by TfL; Abellio Greater Anglia will no longer set fares to east London including Docklands and Stratford. * Prices will not change for any single or return paper ticket. ---/quote--- Much like - if not the same as - the situation at Watford Junction with London Midland then. |
New 'London Connections' map with added LO and new family member,
In article , (Mizter T) wrote:
On 20/05/2015 23:42, Peter Smyth wrote: wrote: In article , (Mizter T) wrote: [...] Fares changes - yes, Brentwood is moving into zone 9, and presumably the TfL-controlled lines will start charging the TfL rate rather than the NR rate for PAYG/contactless fares, meaning the red bits on the West Anglia and GEML on this map will turn green: http://www.tfl.gov.uk/cdn/static/cms...arrifs-nationa l-rail.pdf Not the Lea valley line, surely? I think if you move one line onto the TfL fare scale, you have to move them all as there is no way to tell which line a journey from Cheshunt/Broxbourne to Liverpool Street has used. Yes, of course - it's obvious once you think about it! I see that Paul C has posted a link to a TfL release states the Lea Valley line will move across to the TfL fare scale as well, which is the simplest solution to this issue (apart from introducing a unified fare scale... don't hold your breath!). I guess there's some sort of commercial agreement underlying this between TfL and the franchisee (AGA). Will AGA be left with any routes of its own in Greater London? I can't think of any. -- Colin Rosenstiel |
New 'London Connections' map with added LO and new family member,TfL Rail
On Thursday, May 21, 2015 at 3:29:17 PM UTC+1, Mizter T wrote:
The new Tube map incorporating the new parts of LO and also TfL Rail can be seen in PDF format via this link: http://www.tfl.gov.uk/cdn/static/cms/documents/tube-map-may-2015.pdf I'm not doubting that there may be very good reasons, but I think having Romford-Upminster as a divorced bit of London Overground *looks* rather dopey! PhilD -- |
New 'London Connections' map with added LO and new family member,
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(Paul Corfield) wrote: On Thu, 21 May 2015 16:30:39 -0500, wrote: Will AGA be left with any routes of its own in Greater London? I can't think of any. It will stll serve Stratford and Romford on the Great Eastern. Peak time Hertford East services continue to run semi fast via Seven Sisters and Southbury. They will also run all services via T Hale and from Stratford on the Lea Valley Main Line - there are several stations within Greater London on that route. I hadn't spotted those earlier, so they are definitely a few. When / if we get the STAR services from Stratford to Angel Road then I expect they will be with Greater Anglia as things stand. No mention yet of TfL wanting to run those services. STAR? -- Colin Rosenstiel |
New 'London Connections' map with added LO and new family member,
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New 'London Connections' map with added LO and new family member,
I just looked at the timetable for the Cheshunt/Chingford lines, http://www.tfl.gov.uk/cdn/static/cms...e-may-2015.pdf and during the repeating sections (all day Saturday and Sunday and bits on weekdays), there are 8 tph between Liverpool Street and Hackney Downs, with alternating 1 minute and 14 minute gaps in either direction at Hackney Downs! The line map is also crap... it uses a dagger to show that trains to and from Chingford do not call at London Fields or Cambridge Heath, instead of just drawing separate lines interchanging at Hackney Downs, like this http://www.londonbusblinds.com/prodi...tan%20Line.jpg |
New 'London Connections' map with added LO and new family member,
Basil Jet wrote:
I just looked at the timetable for the Cheshunt/Chingford lines, http://www.tfl.gov.uk/cdn/static/cms...e-may-2015.pdf and during the repeating sections (all day Saturday and Sunday and bits on weekdays), there are 8 tph between Liverpool Street and Hackney Downs, with alternating 1 minute and 14 minute gaps in either direction at Hackney Downs! The line map is also crap... it uses a dagger to show that trains to and from Chingford do not call at London Fields or Cambridge Heath, instead of just drawing separate lines interchanging at Hackney Downs, like this http://www.londonbusblinds.com/prodi...tan%20Line.jpg The problem is if you spread out the slow trains more evenly, they will get in the way of the fast trains to Stansted/Cambridge. Short of building extra tracks between Liverpool Street and Bethnal Green, I don't think there is any easy answer to this problem. Peter Smyth |
New 'London Connections' map with added LO and new family member,
In article ,
(Paul Corfield) wrote: On Thu, 21 May 2015 20:18:09 -0500, wrote: In article , (Paul Corfield) wrote: On Thu, 21 May 2015 16:30:39 -0500, wrote: Will AGA be left with any routes of its own in Greater London? I can't think of any. It will stll serve Stratford and Romford on the Great Eastern. Peak time Hertford East services continue to run semi fast via Seven Sisters and Southbury. They will also run all services via T Hale and from Stratford on the Lea Valley Main Line - there are several stations within Greater London on that route. I hadn't spotted those earlier, so they are definitely a few. When / if we get the STAR services from Stratford to Angel Road then I expect they will be with Greater Anglia as things stand. No mention yet of TfL wanting to run those services. STAR? The scheme to add a third track from Coppermill Junction to Angel Road to allow a local 15 minute stopping service to run between Stratford and Angel Road. There would be 2 extra tracks at Tottenham Hale to allow trains to pass each other. This is due to be completed by 2018/19 if the costs can be contained within the available funding. Network Rail are doing their GRIP work to develop the design and provide a more robust cost estimate. Thanks. I wasn't aware of the acronym. I'm aware NR work is going on but I thought it was for four tracking. There is info in the relevant Network Rail CP5 / planning documents. http://www.networkrail.co.uk/cp5-del...-delivery-plan See page 61. Thanks. Interesting that options for grade separation at Coppermill Junction & Clapton Junction are not mentioned. -- Colin Rosenstiel |
New 'London Connections' map with added LO and new family member,
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Perry) wrote: In message , at 16:30:39 on Thu, 21 May 2015, remarked: Will AGA be left with any routes of its own in Greater London? I can't think of any. Services to Stansted Airport, Cambridge[1], Southend, Chelmsford and beyond on the main line. [1] Extended to the Fen Line at peaks. How many of them are in Greater London? -- Colin Rosenstiel |
New 'London Connections' map with added LO and new family member,
On 2015\05\23 02:17, wrote:
In article , (Paul Corfield) wrote: On Thu, 21 May 2015 20:18:09 -0500, wrote: In article , (Paul Corfield) wrote: On Thu, 21 May 2015 16:30:39 -0500, wrote: Will AGA be left with any routes of its own in Greater London? I can't think of any. It will stll serve Stratford and Romford on the Great Eastern. Peak time Hertford East services continue to run semi fast via Seven Sisters and Southbury. They will also run all services via T Hale and from Stratford on the Lea Valley Main Line - there are several stations within Greater London on that route. I hadn't spotted those earlier, so they are definitely a few. When / if we get the STAR services from Stratford to Angel Road then I expect they will be with Greater Anglia as things stand. No mention yet of TfL wanting to run those services. STAR? The scheme to add a third track from Coppermill Junction to Angel Road to allow a local 15 minute stopping service to run between Stratford and Angel Road. There would be 2 extra tracks at Tottenham Hale to allow trains to pass each other. This is due to be completed by 2018/19 if the costs can be contained within the available funding. Network Rail are doing their GRIP work to develop the design and provide a more robust cost estimate. Thanks. I wasn't aware of the acronym. I'm aware NR work is going on but I thought it was for four tracking. There is info in the relevant Network Rail CP5 / planning documents. http://www.networkrail.co.uk/cp5-del...-delivery-plan See page 61. Thanks. Interesting that options for grade separation at Coppermill Junction & Clapton Junction are not mentioned. It seems to me that a branch of the Victoria Line on the surface from Northumberland Park Depot (south east side) to the centre of the development would be far better, and it's not obviously more expensive than all of that three-tracking. Are they really three-tracking all the way to Stratford? Is the Lea Bridge line busy enough to need it? |
New 'London Connections' map with added LO and new family member,
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on Fri, 22 May 2015, remarked: Will AGA be left with any routes of its own in Greater London? I can't think of any. Services to Stansted Airport, Cambridge[1], Southend, Chelmsford and beyond on the main line. [1] Extended to the Fen Line at peaks. How many of them are in Greater London? They all have one end in Greater London. -- Roland Perry |
New 'London Connections' map with added LO and new family member,
On 22/05/2015 19:37, Peter Smyth wrote: Basil Jet wrote: I just looked at the timetable for the Cheshunt/Chingford lines, http://www.tfl.gov.uk/cdn/static/cms...e-may-2015.pdf and during the repeating sections (all day Saturday and Sunday and bits on weekdays), there are 8 tph between Liverpool Street and Hackney Downs, with alternating 1 minute and 14 minute gaps in either direction at Hackney Downs! The line map is also crap... it uses a dagger to show that trains to and from Chingford do not call at London Fields or Cambridge Heath, instead of just drawing separate lines interchanging at Hackney Downs, like this http://www.londonbusblinds.com/prodi...tan%20Line.jpg The problem is if you spread out the slow trains more evenly, they will get in the way of the fast trains to Stansted/Cambridge. Short of building extra tracks between Liverpool Street and Bethnal Green, I don't think there is any easy answer to this problem. Agreed. And even if one wanted to build an extra pair of tracks, there just isn't any space really. |
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