" wrote:
On 30.05.15 23:22, Recliner wrote:
" wrote:
On 30.05.15 0:06, Paul Corfield wrote:
On Fri, 29 May 2015 19:33:54 +0100, "
wrote:

Will TfL also operate the Stansted Express, BTW, or will Abelia continue
to hold that concession?

No TfL will not operate any medium or long distance services nor any
that run via Tottenham Hale. They all remain with Abellio Greater
Anglia. Some peak hour services from Hertford East, run by AGA, will
continue to run semi fast via Seven Sisters. This is why Edmonton
Green, Seven Sisters and Hackney Downs retain the NR double arrow
simple on the new style Tube Map that is valid from Sunday. The semi
fasts stop at those London area stations.

There is zero logic in TfL having any involvement in express services
to Stansted.

One other thing: AIUI, TfL plans to replace the 315s and 317s with newer
rolling stock. Will those be the 378s or will they perhaps bring in
something reminiscent of the S-Bahns that one might see in Germany? (Not
like the ones on East Germany's Deutsche Reichsbahn, by the way )

Not 378s, but something newer, not yet selected.


I see.

So, AIUI, TfL Rail will at this point operate local services out to Shenfield.

Yes. It's a temporary place-holder brand on the existing trains, to be
replaced by the Crossrail brand on the new 335 stock trains when there is a
Crossrail.


Will it not, however, operate local services on the Lea Valley Lines out
to Enfield, Chingford and Cheshunt, the latter destination being via Southbury?

No, those services are now and in the future, Overground.

See
https://tfl.gov.uk/maps/track/tube

" wrote:
On 30.05.15 23:22, Recliner wrote:
" wrote:
On 30.05.15 0:06, Paul Corfield wrote:
On Fri, 29 May 2015 19:33:54 +0100, "
wrote:

Will TfL also operate the Stansted Express, BTW, or will Abelia continue
to hold that concession?

No TfL will not operate any medium or long distance services nor any
that run via Tottenham Hale. They all remain with Abellio Greater
Anglia. Some peak hour services from Hertford East, run by AGA, will
continue to run semi fast via Seven Sisters. This is why Edmonton
Green, Seven Sisters and Hackney Downs retain the NR double arrow
simple on the new style Tube Map that is valid from Sunday. The semi
fasts stop at those London area stations.

There is zero logic in TfL having any involvement in express services
to Stansted.

One other thing: AIUI, TfL plans to replace the 315s and 317s with newer
rolling stock. Will those be the 378s or will they perhaps bring in
something reminiscent of the S-Bahns that one might see in Germany? (Not
like the ones on East Germany's Deutsche Reichsbahn, by the way )

Not 378s, but something newer, not yet selected.

What about the 345s?

No, but might be a shorter variant of the Aventra if Bombardier wins the
order. But the preferred bidder hasn't been chosen yet.

In article , () wrote:

On 31.05.15 0:13, wrote:
On 30.05.15 23:22, Recliner wrote:
" wrote:
On 30.05.15 0:06, Paul Corfield wrote:
On Fri, 29 May 2015 19:33:54 +0100, "
wrote:

Will TfL also operate the Stansted Express, BTW, or will Abelia
continue to hold that concession?

No TfL will not operate any medium or long distance services nor any
that run via Tottenham Hale. They all remain with Abellio Greater
Anglia. Some peak hour services from Hertford East, run by AGA, will
continue to run semi fast via Seven Sisters. This is why Edmonton
Green, Seven Sisters and Hackney Downs retain the NR double arrow
simple on the new style Tube Map that is valid from Sunday. The semi
fasts stop at those London area stations.

There is zero logic in TfL having any involvement in express services
to Stansted.

One other thing: AIUI, TfL plans to replace the 315s and 317s with
newer rolling stock. Will those be the 378s or will they perhaps bring
in something reminiscent of the S-Bahns that one might see in Germany?
(Not like the ones on East Germany's Deutsche Reichsbahn, by the way
)

Not 378s, but something newer, not yet selected.

I see.

So, AIUI, TfL Rail will at this point operate local services out to
Shenfield.

Will it not, however, operate local services on the Lea Valley Lines out
to Enfield, Chingford and Cheshunt, the latter destination being via
Southbury?

Will it

I guess not. I thought that TfL trains would also operate via Hackney
Downs to further down destinations.

No. The routes to Enfield, Chingford and Cheshunt via Southbury and Romford
to Upminster will become part of London Overground. The Lea Valley will
remain with Abellio Greater Anglia.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

On 31.05.15 0:27, Recliner wrote:
" wrote:
On 30.05.15 23:22, Recliner wrote:
" wrote:
On 30.05.15 0:06, Paul Corfield wrote:
On Fri, 29 May 2015 19:33:54 +0100, "
wrote:

Will TfL also operate the Stansted Express, BTW, or will Abelia continue
to hold that concession?

No TfL will not operate any medium or long distance services nor any
that run via Tottenham Hale. They all remain with Abellio Greater
Anglia. Some peak hour services from Hertford East, run by AGA, will
continue to run semi fast via Seven Sisters. This is why Edmonton
Green, Seven Sisters and Hackney Downs retain the NR double arrow
simple on the new style Tube Map that is valid from Sunday. The semi
fasts stop at those London area stations.

There is zero logic in TfL having any involvement in express services
to Stansted.

One other thing: AIUI, TfL plans to replace the 315s and 317s with newer
rolling stock. Will those be the 378s or will they perhaps bring in
something reminiscent of the S-Bahns that one might see in Germany? (Not
like the ones on East Germany's Deutsche Reichsbahn, by the way )

Not 378s, but something newer, not yet selected.


I see.

So, AIUI, TfL Rail will at this point operate local services out to Shenfield.

Yes. It's a temporary place-holder brand on the existing trains, to be
replaced by the Crossrail brand on the new 335 stock trains when there is a
Crossrail.


Will it not, however, operate local services on the Lea Valley Lines out
to Enfield, Chingford and Cheshunt, the latter destination being via Southbury?

No, those services are now and in the future, Overground.

See
https://tfl.gov.uk/maps/track/tube

Now I understand. Many thanks for that, Recliner.

In article

rg, (Recliner) wrote:

" wrote:
On 30.05.15 23:22, Recliner wrote:

So, AIUI, TfL Rail will at this point operate local services out to
Shenfield.

Yes. It's a temporary place-holder brand on the existing trains, to be
replaced by the Crossrail brand on the new 335 stock trains when there is
a Crossrail.

345s, surely?

Will it not, however, operate local services on the Lea Valley Lines out
to Enfield, Chingford and Cheshunt, the latter destination being
via Southbury?

No, those services are now and in the future, Overground.

See
https://tfl.gov.uk/maps/track/tube

--
Colin Rosenstiel

wrote:
In article

, (Recliner) wrote:

" wrote:
On 30.05.15 23:22, Recliner wrote:

So, AIUI, TfL Rail will at this point operate local services out to
Shenfield.

Yes. It's a temporary place-holder brand on the existing trains, to be
replaced by the Crossrail brand on the new 335 stock trains when there is
a Crossrail.

345s, surely?

Yes, of course.

In message , at 10:41:19 on
Sun, 31 May 2015, Paul Corfield remarked:
Stansted is really
outside TfL's influence and, to be honest, I don't think TfL should be
faffing around trying to run longer distance trains. There's more than
enough for them to fix within Greater London.

Why is there talk about extending Oyster to Luton and Gatwick airports
then? It makes no sense to do those two and not Stansted.

It is, after all, "London's third airport", which Luton isn't.
--
Roland Perry

Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 10:41:19 on
Sun, 31 May 2015, Paul Corfield remarked:
Stansted is really
outside TfL's influence and, to be honest, I don't think TfL should be
faffing around trying to run longer distance trains. There's more than
enough for them to fix within Greater London.

Why is there talk about extending Oyster to Luton and Gatwick airports
then? It makes no sense to do those two and not Stansted.

It is, after all, "London's third airport", which Luton isn't.

Surely it's worth having it on Oyster, whoever runs the trains? I think a
lot more Londoners would use it if no separate tickets were required. It
would also be easier to sell pre-paid Visitor Oyster cards if they already
came loaded with enough credit to pay for the journey to London plus some
more travelling in London.

On 31/05/2015 10:41, Paul Corfield wrote:
On Sat, 30 May 2015 11:51:18 +0100, Someone Somewhere
wrote:

On 30/05/2015 00:06, Paul Corfield wrote:
On Fri, 29 May 2015 19:33:54 +0100, "
wrote:

Will TfL also operate the Stansted Express, BTW, or will Abelia continue
to hold that concession?

There is zero logic in TfL having any involvement in express services
to Stansted.


It may also bring the prices down....

It would not do so because TfL are now tied into a process of
requiring DfT consent to changing fares on NR routes that are devolved
to TfL. They are not permitted to undercut parallel TOC services. This
is all set out in a recent TfL Fares Advice paper to the Mayor. There
are also similar provisions in the Crossrail Agreement but the DfT
have carefully ensured those clauses are redacted in the publicly
available version of the agreement. I only know they apply to
Crossrail because what TfL said in the Fares Advice Paper. Anyone
expecting a cheap fares bonanza if TfL take over their rail services
is going to be disappointed.

Soooo.... does that imply that Crossrail fares to e.g. Heathrow are
going to be set at a rail rate (presumably Connect rather than Express)
rather than at Tube rate, ie the Piccadilly line?

On 31/05/2015 11:07, Recliner wrote:
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 10:41:19 on
Sun, 31 May 2015, Paul Corfield remarked:
Stansted is really
outside TfL's influence and, to be honest, I don't think TfL should be
faffing around trying to run longer distance trains. There's more than
enough for them to fix within Greater London.

Why is there talk about extending Oyster to Luton and Gatwick airports
then? It makes no sense to do those two and not Stansted.

It is, after all, "London's third airport", which Luton isn't.

Surely it's worth having it on Oyster, whoever runs the trains? I think a
lot more Londoners would use it if no separate tickets were required. It
would also be easier to sell pre-paid Visitor Oyster cards if they already
came loaded with enough credit to pay for the journey to London plus some
more travelling in London.

Agreed, and I fail to see why such things aren't part of some kind of
Mayoral traffic management policy as well - if people are encouraged to
get the trains there's less coaches etc entering London and clogging up
the roads (yes, I know there really aren't that many, but they're pretty
noticeable and as Tesco advertise, "Every little helps")