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How well off are London's tube drivers and why are they striking?
On Thu, Jul 09, 2015 at 04:54:23PM +0200, Jarle Hammen Knudsen wrote:
" night tubes will be stopping at stations that will have no minimum staffing levels - which could mean just one member of staff ... " At least the union has stopped telling lies about unstaffed stations. Progress! -- David Cantrell | Hero of the Information Age Us Germans take our humour very seriously -- German cultural attache talking to the Today Programme, about the German supposed lack of a sense of humour, 29 Aug 2001 |
How well off are London's tube drivers and why are they striking?
On Wednesday, July 8, 2015 at 5:36:23 PM UTC+1, Recliner wrote:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/gene...-striking.html At least with no trains the drivers are unable to assault passengers like they do every day by closing the doors on those still trying to get on or off. I'm not talking about the idiot passengers who try and get on / off trains at the very last minute. How many times have I seen a woman with a kid in a pushchair sandwiched between two closing doors? Quite a few. How many times have passengers been killed due to trapped clothing in the doors - quite a few. Remember the old lady killed as she was dragged down the platform at Hounslow a few years ago. And there have been other instances. Numerous complaints to management about drivers not checking the CCTV monitors, closing the doors, and moving off without notice, are always replied to in the vein of 'we have no problems with the issues you mention.' But then with drivers getting 60 grand and supervisors likely less than half that the drivers are well out of control. Their strike is one solely based upon greed. And of course its summer. SB |
How well off are London's tube drivers and why are they striking?
y wrote:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/gene...blog/11725850/ ow-well-off-are-Londons-tube-drivers-and-why-are-they-striking.html "No one is fooled by the mayor's spin that this is primarily about pay. There is big concern that in stations outside central London, night tubes will be stopping at stations that will have no minimum staffing levels - which could mean just one member of staff dealing with the public coming home after a late night out. This is a safety nightmare and clearly not good for these staff or the public. […]" http://www.jeremyforlabour.com/tube_...ayor_must_talk How is that any different to what already happens when the last tubes arrive at suburban stations at around 1am? Or on the DLR. LU won't understaff the stations because they know damn sure people will probably just jump over the barriers if they think no one is watching. If the station was unstaffed the barriers would be open anyway. Peter Smyth |
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So, most other members of staff earn far less than train drivers. Why then is all the attention on drivers' earnings and none on the £20,000 or so earned by the unspecified "others? Is this that famous politics-of-envy I keep hearing about? |
How well off are London's tube drivers and why are they striking?
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How well off are London's tube drivers and why are they striking?
Paul Cummins wrote:
In article , (Basil Jet) wrote: How is that any different to what already happens when the last tubes arrive at suburban stations at around 1am? Or even when main line trains arrive at unmanned stations at any point. I don't see how station staff can be assaulted at an unmanned station. I think the safety claim is not the staff, but the passengers... Why would they be any less safe than on the many night buses that run every night, mainly without incident? In any case, surely no-one believes that the unions actually care about passenger safety? They're after more money for their members, that's all. And if they do care about anyone's safety, it's their members', not the customers'. |
How well off are London's tube drivers and why are they striking?
On Fri, 10 Jul 2015 21:14:05 +0200, Robin9
wrote: 'Recliner[_3_ Wrote: ;149299']Robin9 wrote:- 'Recliner[_3_ Wrote: - ;149283']http://tinyurl.com/nf6grll- I heard that all LU workers were on strike, not just the train drivers. How much do the other members of staff earn?- Perhaps you didn't actually read the linked article? It said, "Tube drivers are also much better paid than some of their other colleagues who'll be joining them on strike. Station staff get around £30,000, according to TfI, with others closer to £20,000, while supervisors earn around £40,000 - still markedly less than what tube drivers get." No, I didn't read the linked article. I rarely follow links. So, most other members of staff earn far less than train drivers. Why then is all the attention on drivers' earnings and none on the £20,000 or so earned by the unspecified "others? Is this that famous politics-of-envy I keep hearing about? People think Tube drivers are very overpaid for the jobs they do. They don't think the other staff are. And yet it's most often the drivers who go on strike. Compare Tube drivers with bus drivers. By almost any measure, the latter have a much more difficult job, and yet they earn much less. Also, operating Tube trains is getting easier and easier, as the trains get more automated, and yet that de-skilling hasn't resulted in lower Tube driver pay. |
How well off are London's tube drivers and why are they striking?
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How well off are London's tube drivers and why are they striking?
Paul Cummins wrote:
In article , (Paul Corfield) wrote: If the day ever comes when the job genuinely is deskilled to "pressing a button" as so many dull people seem to believe it consists of then a genuine argument about paying peanuts to employ monkeys might be warranted. all I'm going to say is that I still can't master driving a train or tube, after much more emulator practise than I needed to learn to fly a plane. And that really can be reduced to "press a button" I see it takes about six months of training; not trivial, but a lot less than a professional pilot. From https://www.how2become.com/careers/l...-train-driver/ Becoming a London Underground train driver requires that you have numerous qualifications. Most are preliminary qualifications prior to any specific training regime required to drive a train. Here is a list of qualifications that you will need to have. First, you need to be at least 21 years of age to start training to be a train driver with any entity other than London Underground. In addition, you will need to have good GCSE grades to show that you have a good standard of education. While there are really no formal education requirements to enter this field, having A Level grades will appeal to the organisation. You will also need to present your formal application to the company and then attend a formal training centre. Here, you will sit several aptitude tests, which will assess your skills, knowledge and proficiency in many different areas. You will also need to pass a physical examination, an eyesight examination and drug tests. In general, becoming a London Underground train driver will require that you undergo 22 weeks of training. However, if you opt to train outside of London Underground, you might have to sit through 48 weeks of training. London Underground has some of the lowest training requirements in the industry for potential drivers. Your training will be multifaceted, and will cover hands-on driver training with an instructor, driving theory and safety training. You will have to complete a Personal Track Safety Certificate, as well as an NVQ Level 2 in Rail Transport Operations (Driving) before your training is complete. You will also need to be familiar with the rules and guidelines of working on the railroad. |
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