First Class 700 arrives at Three Bridges
 

http://www.thameslinkprogramme.co.uk...train-arrives/

Claire Perry is really churning out those "I welcome these new trains..."
press releases this week.

First Class 700 arrives at Three Bridges
 

On 31/07/2015 15:41, Recliner wrote:
http://www.thameslinkprogramme.co.uk...train-arrives/

Claire Perry is really churning out those "I welcome these new trains..."
press releases this week.


Can't blame her making hay from her predecessors efforts while she can.

--
Graeme Wall
This account not read, substitute trains for rail.

First Class 700 arrives at Three Bridges
 

Graeme Wall wrote:
On 31/07/2015 15:41, Recliner wrote:
http://www.thameslinkprogramme.co.uk...train-arrives/

Claire Perry is really churning out those "I welcome these new trains..."
press releases this week.


Can't blame her making hay from her predecessors efforts while she can.

Er, she was her own predecessor.

First Class 700 arrives at Three Bridges
 

"itsonlyme" wrote:
On 31-Jul-2015, Recliner wrote:

http://www.thameslinkprogramme.co.uk...train-arrives/

Are there Second Class 700's to follow?

No, only Standard Class.

First Class 700 arrives at Three Bridges
 

On 31/07/2015 15:59, itsonlyme wrote:
On 31-Jul-2015, Recliner wrote:

http://www.thameslinkprogramme.co.uk...train-arrives/

Are there Second Class 700's to follow?


These ARE the second class 700s


The first were the Drummond "Black Motors" of the LSWR :)

PA

First Class 700 arrives at Three Bridges
 

On 31/07/2015 15:58, Recliner wrote:
Graeme Wall wrote:
On 31/07/2015 15:41, Recliner wrote:
http://www.thameslinkprogramme.co.uk...train-arrives/

Claire Perry is really churning out those "I welcome these new trains..."
press releases this week.


Can't blame her making hay from her predecessors efforts while she can.

Er, she was her own predecessor.


She was minister when they were ordered? Didn't think she'd been in
post long enough.

--
Graeme Wall
This account not read, substitute trains for rail.

First Class 700 arrives at Three Bridges
 

Graeme Wall wrote:
On 31/07/2015 15:58, Recliner wrote:
Graeme Wall wrote:
On 31/07/2015 15:41, Recliner wrote:
http://www.thameslinkprogramme.co.uk...train-arrives/

Claire Perry is really churning out those "I welcome these new trains..."
press releases this week.


Can't blame her making hay from her predecessors efforts while she can.

Er, she was her own predecessor.


She was minister when they were ordered? Didn't think she'd been in post long enough.

Probably not -- she only became railway minister in July last year. The
Siemens order took ages to place, so probably a series of ministers were
involved in it. But the Hitachi order did happen on her watch.

I see she's another McKinsey alumnus, with quite an impressive cv all round
(Oxford rowing blues, Harvard MBA, Bank of America, Credit Suisse, etc).

First Class 700 arrives at Three Bridges
 

On 31.07.15 15:41, Recliner wrote:
http://www.thameslinkprogramme.co.uk...train-arrives/

Claire Perry is really churning out those "I welcome these new trains..."
press releases this week.


Will the ATO on them be operative when they enter revenue service?

First Class 700 arrives at Three Bridges
 

" wrote:
On 31.07.15 15:41, Recliner wrote:
http://www.thameslinkprogramme.co.uk...train-arrives/

Claire Perry is really churning out those "I welcome these new trains..."
press releases this week.


Will the ATO on them be operative when they enter revenue service?

It may be on the trains, but I don't think the new signalling will be live
in the TL core next year.

First Class 700 arrives at Three Bridges
 

On 31/07/2015 16:41, Recliner wrote:
Graeme Wall wrote:
On 31/07/2015 15:58, Recliner wrote:
Graeme Wall wrote:
On 31/07/2015 15:41, Recliner wrote:
http://www.thameslinkprogramme.co.uk...train-arrives/

Claire Perry is really churning out those "I welcome these new trains..."
press releases this week.


Can't blame her making hay from her predecessors efforts while she can.

Er, she was her own predecessor.


She was minister when they were ordered? Didn't think she'd been in post long enough.

Probably not -- she only became railway minister in July last year. The
Siemens order took ages to place, so probably a series of ministers were
involved in it. But the Hitachi order did happen on her watch.

I see she's another McKinsey alumnus, with quite an impressive cv all round
(Oxford rowing blues, Harvard MBA, Bank of America, Credit Suisse, etc).


A rising star perhaps. At least she has experience outside the usual
-student politics, intern then researcher for MP then politician - which
is far too common both sides of the aisle.

--
Graeme Wall
This account not read, substitute trains for rail.

First Class 700 arrives at Three Bridges
 

On Fri, 31 Jul 2015 14:41:50 +0000 (UTC), Recliner
wrote:

http://www.thameslinkprogramme.co.uk...train-arrives/

Claire Perry is really churning out those "I welcome these new trains..."
press releases this week.

It reminds me of the Class 70.

Is there some kind of serious buffer underneath the fibreglass?

First Class 700 arrives at Three Bridges
 

What's the significance of the numbering been in the 700s?

First Class 700 arrives at Three Bridges
 

On 31.07.15 17:02, Recliner wrote:
" wrote:
On 31.07.15 15:41, Recliner wrote:
http://www.thameslinkprogramme.co.uk...train-arrives/

Claire Perry is really churning out those "I welcome these new trains..."
press releases this week.


Will the ATO on them be operative when they enter revenue service?

It may be on the trains, but I don't think the new signalling will be live
in the TL core next year.


I did not think so. ETA?

First Class 700 arrives at Three Bridges
 

" wrote:
On 31.07.15 17:02, Recliner wrote:
" wrote:
On 31.07.15 15:41, Recliner wrote:
http://www.thameslinkprogramme.co.uk...train-arrives/

Claire Perry is really churning out those "I welcome these new trains..."
press releases this week.


Will the ATO on them be operative when they enter revenue service?

It may be on the trains, but I don't think the new signalling will be live
in the TL core next year.


I did not think so. ETA?

Probably 2018:

David states: “By using ATO, with the underlying Automatic Train Protection
(ATP) provided by ETCS, the core section will safely support trains passing
at 2.5min headways, and enable service recovery mode with headways of just
two minutes, when necessary. However, the technology must first undergo an
extensive period of testing.

“This is the first time ATO will be used with ETCS, or indeed on any
mainline in this country, so there has been a lot of work to reach this
stage. It is vital that we get this right.

“There are a lot of system integration aspects to consider, such as with
the new rolling stock that will be introduced from 2016. So whilst we will
commence technology testing with a Class 313 test train in March, we will
not get to test with the Class 700, the train being built for Thameslink,
until next year.�

This means that the switch to ATO will not take place until late 2017 at
the earliest. However, it will be in place for the programme’s completion
in 2018, which is when the five-year rebuild of London Bridge also comes to
a close.

______

http://rail.ricardo.com/en/Blogs/Art...ink-signalling

First Class 700 arrives at Three Bridges
 

In message
-septem
ber.org, at 14:41:50 on Fri, 31 Jul 2015, Recliner
remarked:
http://www.thameslinkprogramme.co.uk...train-arrives/

Claire Perry is really churning out those "I welcome these new trains..."
press releases this week.

4 cars, when I thought 700's were going to be in fixed 8 and 12 car
formations.
--
Roland Perry

First Class 700 arrives at Three Bridges
 

In article , (Roland Perry)
wrote:

In message

-september.
org, at 14:41:50 on Fri, 31 Jul 2015, Recliner
remarked:

http://www.thameslinkprogramme.co.uk...g-future-as-ne
w-thameslink-train-arrives/

Claire Perry is really churning out those "I welcome these new trains..."
press releases this week.

4 cars, when I thought 700's were going to be in fixed 8 and 12 car
formations.

Yes! I looked at the pictures and wondered where the other cars were

--
Colin Rosenstiel

First Class 700 arrives at Three Bridges
 

Roland Perry wrote:
In message -septem
ber.org, at 14:41:50 on Fri, 31 Jul 2015, Recliner remarked:
http://www.thameslinkprogramme.co.uk...train-arrives/

Claire Perry is really churning out those "I welcome these new trains..."
press releases this week.

4 cars, when I thought 700's were going to be in fixed 8 and 12 car formations.

It's a 12-car train, delivered in three sets of four. They couldn't run as
an independent train that way.

First Class 700 arrives at Three Bridges
 

In message , at 02:30:21
on Sat, 1 Aug 2015, remarked:

4 cars, when I thought 700's were going to be in fixed 8 and 12 car
formations.

Yes! I looked at the pictures and wondered where the other cars were

I suppose if they want to use it for testing, a short-formed one is
going to be almost as good as a regular one.

As for the mystery of why GN's Connections magazine thinks 700's will be
running to Kings Lynn, some exchanges on Twitter, and a lot of reading
between the lines, suggests that when they say:

"we will begin to introduce them on the London King’s Cross to
Cambridge, King’s Lynn and Peterborough routes later [in 2016]"

For the Kings Lynn trains they mean "the handful a day which are
currently 8-car 365's". The 377's will therefore arrive later, perhaps
after a delayed cascade from Thameslink due to issues with deploying
700's on that route.
--
Roland Perry

First Class 700 arrives at Three Bridges
 

Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 02:30:21
on Sat, 1 Aug 2015, remarked:

4 cars, when I thought 700's were going to be in fixed 8 and 12 car
formations.

Yes! I looked at the pictures and wondered where the other cars were

I suppose if they want to use it for testing, a short-formed one is
going to be almost as good as a regular one.

I think it will be tested as a 12-car; the split into three sets of four
cars was just for delivery.

First Class 700 arrives at Three Bridges
 

On 2015\07\31 15:41, Recliner wrote:
http://www.thameslinkprogramme.co.uk...train-arrives/

Claire Perry is really churning out those "I welcome these new trains..."
press releases this week.

Why doesn't their class number start with a 3?

First Class 700 arrives at Three Bridges
 

In article , (Basil Jet)
wrote:

On 2015\07\31 15:41, Recliner wrote:


http://www.thameslinkprogramme.co.uk...-future-as-new
-thameslink-train-arrives/

Claire Perry is really churning out those "I welcome these new
trains..." press releases this week.

Why doesn't their class number start with a 3?

For the same reason the IEP class numbers don't.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

First Class 700 arrives at Three Bridges
 

On 2015\08\01 17:50, wrote:
In article , (Basil Jet)
wrote:

On 2015\07\31 15:41, Recliner wrote:


http://www.thameslinkprogramme.co.uk...-future-as-new
-thameslink-train-arrives/

Claire Perry is really churning out those "I welcome these new
trains..." press releases this week.

Why doesn't their class number start with a 3?

For the same reason the IEP class numbers don't.

So no-one knows the answer then?

First Class 700 arrives at Three Bridges
 

Basil Jet wrote:
On 2015\08\01 17:50, wrote:
In article , (Basil Jet)
wrote:

On 2015\07\31 15:41, Recliner wrote:


http://www.thameslinkprogramme.co.uk...-future-as-new
-thameslink-train-arrives/

Claire Perry is really churning out those "I welcome these new
trains..." press releases this week.

Why doesn't their class number start with a 3?

For the same reason the IEP class numbers don't.

So no-one knows the answer then?

They have one thing in common: the DfT specified and bought them, and paid
well over the odds. They needed to justify the high costs with hyped-up
class numbers.