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In message , at 11:04:42 on Mon, 7 Sep
2015, August West remarked:

A few months ago, I seriously considered buying a house on the edge of
Galashiels, on the strength of the arrival of the line.

My daughter is looking for a flat to rent in London for the next
academic year. She *was* using the night-tube as one indicator of
suitable places to live. But that's turning rapidly to dust.

So it looks like it's back to Z2 north of Euston Rd, and/or night buses.
--
Roland Perry

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In article , (Roland Perry)
wrote:

In message , at 11:04:42 on Mon, 7
Sep 2015, August West remarked:

A few months ago, I seriously considered buying a house on the edge of
Galashiels, on the strength of the arrival of the line.

My daughter is looking for a flat to rent in London for the next
academic year. She *was* using the night-tube as one indicator of
suitable places to live. But that's turning rapidly to dust.

So it looks like it's back to Z2 north of Euston Rd, and/or night
buses.

She has a fair number of cycling options.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

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In message , at 07:00:49
on Mon, 7 Sep 2015, remarked:
A few months ago, I seriously considered buying a house on the edge of
Galashiels, on the strength of the arrival of the line.

My daughter is looking for a flat to rent in London for the next
academic year. She *was* using the night-tube as one indicator of
suitable places to live. But that's turning rapidly to dust.

So it looks like it's back to Z2 north of Euston Rd, and/or night
buses.

She has a fair number of cycling options.

Not really. Last year cycling from near Finsbury Park was taking three
quarters of an hour, and much effort needed to avoid very dangerously
busy roads. I'd also not recommend cycling home at midnight after social
events in Z1 (even in summer let alone in the depths of winter), which
is where the night bus|tube requirement comes from.
--
Roland Perry

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In article , (Roland Perry)
wrote:

In message , at
07:00:49 on Mon, 7 Sep 2015, remarked:
A few months ago, I seriously considered buying a house on the edge of
Galashiels, on the strength of the arrival of the line.

My daughter is looking for a flat to rent in London for the next
academic year. She *was* using the night-tube as one indicator of
suitable places to live. But that's turning rapidly to dust.

So it looks like it's back to Z2 north of Euston Rd, and/or night
buses.

She has a fair number of cycling options.

Not really. Last year cycling from near Finsbury Park was taking
three quarters of an hour, and much effort needed to avoid very
dangerously busy roads. I'd also not recommend cycling home at
midnight after social events in Z1 (even in summer let alone in the
depths of winter), which is where the night bus|tube requirement
comes from.

Three quarters of an hour from Finsbury Park seems a bit excessive. I didn't
take that long to and from Putney. There is the bike on train alternative to
a range of destinations although few as late as night tube.

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Colin Rosenstiel

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In message , at 09:44:12
on Mon, 7 Sep 2015, remarked:

Not really. Last year cycling from near Finsbury Park was taking
three quarters of an hour, and much effort needed to avoid very
dangerously busy roads. I'd also not recommend cycling home at
midnight after social events in Z1 (even in summer let alone in the
depths of winter), which is where the night bus|tube requirement
comes from.

Three quarters of an hour from Finsbury Park seems a bit excessive.

Google has it as 33min, 5.2 miles. Daughter is a cautious cyclist.
--
Roland Perry

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On 07/09/2015 11:57, Roland Perry wrote:

In message , at 11:04:42 on Mon, 7 Sep
2015, August West remarked:

A few months ago, I seriously considered buying a house on the edge of
Galashiels, on the strength of the arrival of the line.

My daughter is looking for a flat to rent in London for the next
academic year. She *was* using the night-tube as one indicator of
suitable places to live. But that's turning rapidly to dust.

It'll happen. Eventually.

Was/is only Fri & Sat night though - I think some people got the idea in
their head that it'd be across the week.


So it looks like it's back to Z2 north of Euston Rd, and/or night buses.

Night buses in London are very popular and quite frequent (in some cases
very frequent).

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In message , at 17:17:42 on Mon, 7 Sep 2015,
Mizter T remarked:
My daughter is looking for a flat to rent in London for the next
academic year. She *was* using the night-tube as one indicator of
suitable places to live. But that's turning rapidly to dust.

It'll happen. Eventually.

But before the end of September - probably not.

Was/is only Fri & Sat night though - I think some people got the idea
in their head that it'd be across the week.

Given the fuss about introducing it, count me amongst those people.

Are the unions *really* making all this fuss about a 2-day-a-week thing?
--
Roland Perry

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In message , Roland Perry
writes
Are the unions *really* making all this fuss about a 2-day-a-week thing?

Yep and in effect an extra maybe 4 hours a night for 2 nights over
current hours
--
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Public Key http://www.pgp.uk.demon.net - 0xCC6237E9

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On 07/09/2015 17:17, Mizter T wrote:

Night buses in London are very popular and quite frequent (in some cases
very frequent).

In some cases.

--
Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK

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On 07/09/15 11:57, Roland Perry wrote:
My daughter is looking for a flat to rent in London for the next
academic year. She *was* using the night-tube as one indicator of
suitable places to live.

If the Night Tube happens and turns out to be useful, won't it bump up
rents in the places it serves? Wouldn't it be a better indication of
where not to look?

Ian

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On Mon, 7 Sep 2015 18:16:03 +0100, Bryan Morris
wrote:

In message , Roland Perry
writes
Are the unions *really* making all this fuss about a 2-day-a-week thing?

AIUI it is more a case of reacting to not being asked about the plans
first thus producing the impression that the staff are being dictated
to. Asking politely has long avoided trouble in other industries.

Yep and in effect an extra maybe 4 hours a night for 2 nights over
current hours

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On Mon, 07 Sep 2015 18:56:59 +0100, Arthur Figgis
wrote:

On 07/09/2015 17:17, Mizter T wrote:

Night buses in London are very popular and quite frequent (in some cases
very frequent).

In some cases.

The trouble with some used to be the type of passenger they are very
popular with but the increased network seems to have had some dilution
effect on that.

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In article , (Roland Perry)
wrote:

In message , at
09:44:12 on Mon, 7 Sep 2015, remarked:

Not really. Last year cycling from near Finsbury Park was taking
three quarters of an hour, and much effort needed to avoid very
dangerously busy roads. I'd also not recommend cycling home at
midnight after social events in Z1 (even in summer let alone in the
depths of winter), which is where the night bus|tube requirement
comes from.

Three quarters of an hour from Finsbury Park seems a bit excessive.

Google has it as 33min, 5.2 miles. Daughter is a cautious cyclist.

She would appear to have the bike on train option until the 0135 PBO.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

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In article , (Mizter T) wrote:

So it looks like it's back to Z2 north of Euston Rd, and/or night buses.

Night buses in London are very popular and quite frequent (in some
cases very frequent).

Not good enough for one MP it seems as my Twitter followers might have seen
in a discussion with Mike Gapes MP.

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Colin Rosenstiel

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In message , at 19:09:10 on
Mon, 7 Sep 2015, Paul Corfield remarked:

Without wishing to be unduly rude about your daughter's thought
processes but the Night Tube is a ludicrous basis on which to choose
where to live.

Transport options are one of the most important criteria when making a
choice of where to live - after all it's only a year and the local
facilities which might appeal to families etc are irrelevant.

This is not the first instance I've read of of people using Night Tube
as a determinant of potential residential location but really!!

As far as I can tell the determinants a location, price and 'not
having mousetraps in the bedrooms when viewing'.

If we had an appalling night bus service then I might understand the
attraction of a night tube but the Night Bus is very good and
especially at weekends. If nothing else it will typically get people
closer to where they live than a tube line will given the great spread
of bus stops across London.

One of the places we looked at was fairly close to a night bus route -
but it was a north-south route and would have required a change to get
there from the West End.
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In message , at 19:13:24 on Mon, 7 Sep 2015,
The Real Doctor remarked:
My daughter is looking for a flat to rent in London for the next
academic year. She *was* using the night-tube as one indicator of
suitable places to live.

If the Night Tube happens and turns out to be useful, won't it bump up
rents in the places it serves? Wouldn't it be a better indication of
where not to look?

No, because this is just a one-year rental, and the rents are already
determined by the landlords for 2015-2016, the night-tube effect won't
have licked in yet.
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Roland Perry

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On 08/09/15 08:48, Roland Perry wrote:

No, because this is just a one-year rental, and the rents are already
determined by the landlords for 2015-2016, the night-tube effect won't
have licked in yet.

Fair enough. When I lived in London as a student, many years ago, "close
to tube station" excluded areas from consideration, and I suspect that
"close to night tube station" will do so more, if it ever happens.

Ian

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In message , at 09:40:53 on Tue, 8 Sep 2015,
The Real Doctor remarked:
No, because this is just a one-year rental, and the rents are already
determined by the landlords for 2015-2016, the night-tube effect won't
have licked in yet.

Fair enough. When I lived in London as a student, many years ago,
"close to tube station" excluded areas from consideration, and I
suspect that "close to night tube station" will do so more, if it ever
happens.

London student rental prices are very flat because there's a glass
ceiling at the point at which the size of student grants/loans means
they simply can't afford to pay any more. What this tends to mean is
that the accommodation is shabbier than it should be, and any that comes
on the market is snapped up within a day.
--
Roland Perry

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In message , at 20:22:50
on Mon, 7 Sep 2015, remarked:
Not really. Last year cycling from near Finsbury Park was taking
three quarters of an hour, and much effort needed to avoid very
dangerously busy roads. I'd also not recommend cycling home at
midnight after social events in Z1 (even in summer let alone in the
depths of winter), which is where the night bus|tube requirement
comes from.

Three quarters of an hour from Finsbury Park seems a bit excessive.

Google has it as 33min, 5.2 miles. Daughter is a cautious cyclist.

She would appear to have the bike on train option until the 0135 PBO.

Cycling home after a "night out" is a bit odd. During the day the
cycling is to save the train/tube fare.

(She's moved out of FP now anyway).
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On Mon, Sep 07, 2015 at 07:09:10PM +0100, Paul Corfield wrote:

If we had an appalling night bus service then I might understand the
attraction of a night tube but the Night Bus is very good and
especially at weekends. If nothing else it will typically get people
closer to where they live than a tube line will given the great spread
of bus stops across London.

Almost all bus stops have no night bus.

--
David Cantrell | Nth greatest programmer in the world

There is no one true indentation style,
But if there were K&R would be Its Prophets.
Peace be upon Their Holy Beards.

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In article ,
David Cantrell wrote:
On Mon, Sep 07, 2015 at 07:09:10PM +0100, Paul Corfield wrote:

If we had an appalling night bus service then I might understand the
attraction of a night tube but the Night Bus is very good and
especially at weekends. If nothing else it will typically get people
closer to where they live than a tube line will given the great spread
of bus stops across London.

Almost all bus stops have no night bus.

Almost all bus stops aren't served by the proposed night tube
service, either. The coverage of Night Busses is much better than
the coverage of the proposed night-tube service, IMO.

--
Mike Bristow

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"David Cantrell" wrote in message
...
On Mon, Sep 07, 2015 at 07:09:10PM +0100, Paul Corfield wrote:

If we had an appalling night bus service then I might understand the
attraction of a night tube but the Night Bus is very good and
especially at weekends. If nothing else it will typically get people
closer to where they live than a tube line will given the great spread
of bus stops across London.

Almost all bus stops have no night bus.

I don't think you've looked at the network recently

"almost all" is most certainly wrong

I think you'd have a problem justifying a "more than half" claim

tim

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tim..... wrote:


"David Cantrell" wrote in message
...
On Mon, Sep 07, 2015 at 07:09:10PM +0100, Paul Corfield wrote:

If we had an appalling night bus service then I might understand
the attraction of a night tube but the Night Bus is very good and
especially at weekends. If nothing else it will typically get
people closer to where they live than a tube line will given the
great spread of bus stops across London.

Almost all bus stops have no night bus.

I don't think you've looked at the network recently

"almost all" is most certainly wrong

I think you'd have a problem justifying a "more than half" claim

tim

There are 19825 London bus stops, of which 7852 (39.6%) are served by
at least one night bus.

Peter Smyth

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Paul Corfield wrote:

On Wed, 9 Sep 2015 18:15:24 +0000 (UTC), "Peter Smyth"
wrote:

There are 19825 London bus stops, of which 7852 (39.6%) are served
by at least one night bus.

I have to ask - where did you get those stats from? I can't recall
ever seeing that level of detail published or quoted by TfL. Not
challenging you btw - just curious.

Downloaded a spreadsheet of bus stops and routes from the TfL website
and then did a quick pivot table in Excel - didn't take very long.

Peter Smyth

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On 09/09/2015 19:15, Peter Smyth wrote:

tim..... wrote:

"David Cantrell" wrote:

On Mon, Sep 07, 2015 at 07:09:10PM +0100, Paul Corfield wrote:

If we had an appalling night bus service then I might understand
the attraction of a night tube but the Night Bus is very good and
especially at weekends. If nothing else it will typically get
people closer to where they live than a tube line will given the
great spread of bus stops across London.

Almost all bus stops have no night bus.

I don't think you've looked at the network recently

"almost all" is most certainly wrong

I think you'd have a problem justifying a "more than half" claim

There are 19825 London bus stops, of which 7852 (39.6%) are served by
at least one night bus.

Thanks for calculating that!

I thought David Cantrell's comment was well wide of the mark - you've
provided empirical proof!

Perhaps he only takes notice of N-prefixed night bus routes - they used
to be the only night buses in town. However some years ago TfL started
running some night buses on the exact same route as their day
equivalents - rather than having an N-prefix, these services are
described as "24 hour" instead.

I'm a great fan of night buses in London.

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On 2015\09\09 19:15, Peter Smyth wrote:
tim..... wrote:


"David Cantrell" wrote in message
...
On Mon, Sep 07, 2015 at 07:09:10PM +0100, Paul Corfield wrote:

If we had an appalling night bus service then I might understand
the attraction of a night tube but the Night Bus is very good and
especially at weekends. If nothing else it will typically get
people closer to where they live than a tube line will given the
great spread of bus stops across London.

Almost all bus stops have no night bus.

I don't think you've looked at the network recently

"almost all" is most certainly wrong

I think you'd have a problem justifying a "more than half" claim

tim

There are 19825 London bus stops, of which 7852 (39.6%) are served by
at least one night bus.

Are you including the 24-hour buses as night buses?

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"Mizter T" wrote

There are 19825 London bus stops, of which 7852 (39.6%) are served by
at least one night bus.
[...]
Perhaps he only takes notice of N-prefixed night bus routes - they used
to be the only night buses in town. However some years ago TfL started
running some night buses on the exact same route as their day
equivalents - rather than having an N-prefix, these services are
described as "24 hour" instead.


Not always the "exact same route" thus the 65 is extended from Kingston to
Chessington at night.




--
Mike D

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In article , (Michael R N
Dolbear) wrote:

There are 19825 London bus stops, of which 7852 (39.6%) are served by
at least one night bus.
[...]
Perhaps he only takes notice of N-prefixed night bus routes - they
used
to be the only night buses in town. However some years ago TfL started
running some night buses on the exact same route as their day
equivalents - rather than having an N-prefix, these services are
described as "24 hour" instead.


Not always the "exact same route" thus the 65 is extended from
Kingston to Chessington at night.

Quite often in fact. The 10 (the only night bus service I've ever caught, to
get an early train at Euston) only goes to Putney at night.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

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On 11/09/2015 10:14, Paul Corfield wrote:

On Thu, 10 Sep 2015 18:06:24 -0500,
wrote:
[...]
Perhaps he only takes notice of N-prefixed night bus routes - they
used to be the only night buses in town. However some years ago TfL
started running some night buses on the exact same route as their
day equivalents - rather than having an N-prefix, these services
are described as "24 hour" instead.


Not always the "exact same route" thus the 65 is extended from
Kingston to Chessington at night.

Quite often in fact. The 10 (the only night bus service I've ever caught, to
get an early train at Euston) only goes to Putney at night.

Err no actually. The 65 is unique in running further at night than
during the day but not having a "N" prefix to show the difference. The
N10 was withdrawn and replaced by a 24 hours route 10 to Hammersmith
with the 24 hours 33 running from Hammersmith to Fulwell. The section
through Putney is no longer covered.


Thanks - I thought I'd got that right! Any idea why the 65 doesn't
follow the prefixing logic?

(And I remember posting on here to try persuade Colin that him catching
said night bus from Putney was in fact a very sensible idea - he was
pretty sceptical beforehand!)

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On 2015\09\11 19:21, Paul Corfield wrote:
On Fri, 11 Sep 2015 18:05:47 +0100, Mizter T
wrote:


On 11/09/2015 10:14, Paul Corfield wrote:

Err no actually. The 65 is unique in running further at night than
during the day but not having a "N" prefix to show the difference. The
N10 was withdrawn and replaced by a 24 hours route 10 to Hammersmith
with the 24 hours 33 running from Hammersmith to Fulwell. The section
through Putney is no longer covered.


Thanks - I thought I'd got that right! Any idea why the 65 doesn't
follow the prefixing logic?

I was told but not sure a public forum is quite the place to explain.
;-)

There are very few N-routes wholly outside central London... the N86 and
N64 are the only I can find. Obviously loads of 24-hour routes are
wholly in the suburbs. I'm not sure if any of this is pertinent.

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In article ,
(Paul Corfield) wrote:

On Thu, 10 Sep 2015 18:06:24 -0500,
wrote:

In article , (Michael R
N Dolbear) wrote:

There are 19825 London bus stops, of which 7852 (39.6%) are served
by at least one night bus.
[...]
Perhaps he only takes notice of N-prefixed night bus routes - they
used to be the only night buses in town. However some years ago TfL
started running some night buses on the exact same route as their day
equivalents - rather than having an N-prefix, these services are
described as "24 hour" instead.

Not always the "exact same route" thus the 65 is extended from
Kingston to Chessington at night.

Quite often in fact. The 10 (the only night bus service I've ever caught,
to get an early train at Euston) only goes to Putney at night.

Err no actually. The 65 is unique in running further at night than
during the day but not having a "N" prefix to show the difference. The
N10 was withdrawn and replaced by a 24 hours route 10 to Hammersmith
with the 24 hours 33 running from Hammersmith to Fulwell. The section
through Putney is no longer covered.

So, if I was still staying at my mother's in Putney (she died in 2012 and I
stopped working in london in 2011) I couldn't get an early train from Euston
any more?

--
Colin Rosenstiel

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Basil Jet wrote:

On 2015\09\09 19:15, Peter Smyth wrote:
tim..... wrote:


"David Cantrell" wrote in message
...
On Mon, Sep 07, 2015 at 07:09:10PM +0100, Paul Corfield wrote:

If we had an appalling night bus service then I might
understand the attraction of a night tube but the Night Bus
is very good and especially at weekends. If nothing else it
will typically get people closer to where they live than a
tube line will given the great spread of bus stops across
London.

Almost all bus stops have no night bus.

I don't think you've looked at the network recently

"almost all" is most certainly wrong

I think you'd have a problem justifying a "more than half" claim

tim

There are 19825 London bus stops, of which 7852 (39.6%) are served
by at least one night bus.

Are you including the 24-hour buses as night buses?

Yes, all buses that run at night, whether they have an N in their name
or not.

Peter Smyth

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In article , (Mizter T) wrote:

On 11/09/2015 10:14, Paul Corfield wrote:

On Thu, 10 Sep 2015 18:06:24 -0500,
wrote:
[...]
Perhaps he only takes notice of N-prefixed night bus routes - they
used to be the only night buses in town. However some years ago TfL
started running some night buses on the exact same route as their
day equivalents - rather than having an N-prefix, these services
are described as "24 hour" instead.


Not always the "exact same route" thus the 65 is extended from
Kingston to Chessington at night.

Quite often in fact. The 10 (the only night bus service I've ever
caught, to get an early train at Euston) only goes to Putney at night.

Err no actually. The 65 is unique in running further at night than
during the day but not having a "N" prefix to show the difference. The
N10 was withdrawn and replaced by a 24 hours route 10 to Hammersmith
with the 24 hours 33 running from Hammersmith to Fulwell. The section
through Putney is no longer covered.

IIRC it was arriving at Euston by 0600. It seems the 14 runs 24 hours on its
normal route. So it would meet my particular requirement.

Thanks - I thought I'd got that right! Any idea why the 65 doesn't
follow the prefixing logic?

(And I remember posting on here to try persuade Colin that him
catching said night bus from Putney was in fact a very sensible idea
- he was pretty sceptical beforehand!)

Indeed. I had never come across the 10 in Putney before! i wonder why the 14
wouldn't have done then?

--
Colin Rosenstiel

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In article , (Peter Smyth)
wrote:

wrote:

So, if I was still staying at my mother's in Putney (she died in 2012
and I stopped working in London in 2011) I couldn't get an early
train from Euston any more?

There is the 24 hour 14 from Putney to Warren Street which is close
enough to Euston.

IIRC, that was as close as the 10 got. It took a more scenic route via
Hammersmith.

--
Colin Rosenstiel