On Thu, 17 Sep 2015 13:29:28 +0100
" wrote:
On 17.09.15 9:35, y wrote:
On Wed, 16 Sep 2015 22:44:59 +0100
"Clive D. W. Feather" wrote:
In message , y wrote:
Besides which if the train is on ATO what the driver thinks is
irrelevant because the train will just sail past anyway.

On LU, if a train passes a red signal on ATO the driver is required to
put the train into an emergency stop.

Signals intended only to be passed by trains on ATO show white.

Yes. Except if they were off they wouldn't be showing any aspect anyway would
they.

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Spud

And any driver worth his salt would would stop the train, call up his
control centre and ask WTF, ATO or not, in the case of a dark signal

So a driver that had been told "Right lads, we're running on ATO now, all
the signals are switched off, you follow the computer in the cab" will stop as
soon as he sees an off signal? Exactly how much booze has this guy drunk?

--
Spud

On 17.09.15 13:35, y wrote:
On Thu, 17 Sep 2015 13:29:28 +0100
" wrote:
On 17.09.15 9:35, y wrote:
On Wed, 16 Sep 2015 22:44:59 +0100
"Clive D. W. Feather" wrote:
In message , y wrote:
Besides which if the train is on ATO what the driver thinks is
irrelevant because the train will just sail past anyway.

On LU, if a train passes a red signal on ATO the driver is required to
put the train into an emergency stop.

Signals intended only to be passed by trains on ATO show white.

Yes. Except if they were off they wouldn't be showing any aspect anyway would
they.

--
Spud

And any driver worth his salt would would stop the train, call up his
control centre and ask WTF, ATO or not, in the case of a dark signal

So a driver that had been told "Right lads, we're running on ATO now, all
the signals are switched off, you follow the computer in the cab" will stop as
soon as he sees an off signal?

Yep.

Exactly how much booze has this guy drunk?

None.

On 17.09.15 13:35, y wrote:
On Thu, 17 Sep 2015 13:29:28 +0100
" wrote:
On 17.09.15 9:35, y wrote:
On Wed, 16 Sep 2015 22:44:59 +0100
"Clive D. W. Feather" wrote:
In message , y wrote:
Besides which if the train is on ATO what the driver thinks is
irrelevant because the train will just sail past anyway.

On LU, if a train passes a red signal on ATO the driver is required to
put the train into an emergency stop.

Signals intended only to be passed by trains on ATO show white.

Yes. Except if they were off they wouldn't be showing any aspect anyway would
they.

--
Spud

And any driver worth his salt would would stop the train, call up his
control centre and ask WTF, ATO or not, in the case of a dark signal

So a driver that had been told "Right lads, we're running on ATO now, all
the signals are switched off, you follow the computer in the cab" will stop as
soon as he sees an off signal?

I assume that you are referring to any dark signal? The term "Off"
refers to a signal with any aspect other than danger.

On Thu, 17 Sep 2015 13:51:42 +0100
" wrote:
On 17.09.15 13:35, y wrote:
On Thu, 17 Sep 2015 13:29:28 +0100
" wrote:
On 17.09.15 9:35, y wrote:
On Wed, 16 Sep 2015 22:44:59 +0100
"Clive D. W. Feather" wrote:
In message , y wrote:
Besides which if the train is on ATO what the driver thinks is
irrelevant because the train will just sail past anyway.

On LU, if a train passes a red signal on ATO the driver is required to
put the train into an emergency stop.

Signals intended only to be passed by trains on ATO show white.

Yes. Except if they were off they wouldn't be showing any aspect anyway
would
they.

--
Spud

And any driver worth his salt would would stop the train, call up his
control centre and ask WTF, ATO or not, in the case of a dark signal

So a driver that had been told "Right lads, we're running on ATO now, all
the signals are switched off, you follow the computer in the cab" will stop
as
soon as he sees an off signal?

Yep.

So basically he ignores what he's been told to do and just slams on the
emergency brake regardless. Got it. And how long exactly does he sit then?
A minute? An hour? A week? Because that signal won't be coming back on again
anytime soon.

Exactly how much booze has this guy drunk?

None.

Drugs then.

--
Spud

On Thu, 17 Sep 2015 14:47:04 +0100
" wrote:
On 17.09.15 13:35, y wrote:
On Thu, 17 Sep 2015 13:29:28 +0100
" wrote:
On 17.09.15 9:35, y wrote:
On Wed, 16 Sep 2015 22:44:59 +0100
"Clive D. W. Feather" wrote:
In message , y wrote:
Besides which if the train is on ATO what the driver thinks is
irrelevant because the train will just sail past anyway.

On LU, if a train passes a red signal on ATO the driver is required to
put the train into an emergency stop.

Signals intended only to be passed by trains on ATO show white.

Yes. Except if they were off they wouldn't be showing any aspect anyway
would
they.

--
Spud

And any driver worth his salt would would stop the train, call up his
control centre and ask WTF, ATO or not, in the case of a dark signal

So a driver that had been told "Right lads, we're running on ATO now, all
the signals are switched off, you follow the computer in the cab" will stop
as
soon as he sees an off signal?

I assume that you are referring to any dark signal? The term "Off"
refers to a signal with any aspect other than danger.

"Off" as in the standard english term for something electric that has no
power supply.

Anyway, your whole argument is drivel so I don't really care how you
interpret what I say.

--
Spud

On 2015\09\17 16:14, y wrote:
On Thu, 17 Sep 2015 13:51:42 +0100
" wrote:
On 17.09.15 13:35, y wrote:
On Thu, 17 Sep 2015 13:29:28 +0100
" wrote:
On 17.09.15 9:35, y wrote:
On Wed, 16 Sep 2015 22:44:59 +0100
"Clive D. W. Feather" wrote:
In message , y wrote:
Besides which if the train is on ATO what the driver thinks is
irrelevant because the train will just sail past anyway.

On LU, if a train passes a red signal on ATO the driver is required to
put the train into an emergency stop.

Signals intended only to be passed by trains on ATO show white.

Yes. Except if they were off they wouldn't be showing any aspect anyway
would
they.

--
Spud

And any driver worth his salt would would stop the train, call up his
control centre and ask WTF, ATO or not, in the case of a dark signal

So a driver that had been told "Right lads, we're running on ATO now, all
the signals are switched off, you follow the computer in the cab" will stop
as
soon as he sees an off signal?

Yep.

So basically he ignores what he's been told to do and just slams on the
emergency brake regardless. Got it. And how long exactly does he sit then?
A minute? An hour? A week? Because that signal won't be coming back on again
anytime soon.

Exactly how much booze has this guy drunk?

None.

Drugs then.

You know damn well that he does whatever his rulebook says, and that no
verbal instruction can overrule his rulebook unless his rulebook
specifically says that a verbal instruction can overrule it, and that
most or all rules in the rulebook have arisen from specific incidents
that killed people and are an attempt to prevent repetition of those
deaths. You also know that Britain has the safest railway in the world.
It's this determination to endlessly criticise transport staff for no
good reason that has made you the laughing stock of the group.

On Thu, 17 Sep 2015 17:01:06 +0100
Basil Jet wrote:
You know damn well that he does whatever his rulebook says, and that no
verbal instruction can overrule his rulebook unless his rulebook
specifically says that a verbal instruction can overrule it, and that
most or all rules in the rulebook have arisen from specific incidents
that killed people and are an attempt to prevent repetition of those
deaths. You also know that Britain has the safest railway in the world.
It's this determination to endlessly criticise transport staff for no
good reason that has made you the laughing stock of the group.

Heh, yeah ok

So Mr Rulebook. A driver who knows the line is running on ATO, been trained
on the ATO with presumably an updated rulebook for the line will hit the
emergency stop button at the first unpowered signal he sees even though he's
been told they've all be switched off and to ignore them?

Really? Are the drivers such stupid pavlovian automatons thats why the signals
have to be bagged? Actually you know what , it wouldn't surprise me if they
were.

--
Spud

On 2015\09\17 17:08, y wrote:
On Thu, 17 Sep 2015 17:01:06 +0100
Basil Jet wrote:
You know damn well that he does whatever his rulebook says, and that no
verbal instruction can overrule his rulebook unless his rulebook
specifically says that a verbal instruction can overrule it, and that
most or all rules in the rulebook have arisen from specific incidents
that killed people and are an attempt to prevent repetition of those
deaths. You also know that Britain has the safest railway in the world.
It's this determination to endlessly criticise transport staff for no
good reason that has made you the laughing stock of the group.

Heh, yeah ok

So Mr Rulebook. A driver who knows the line is running on ATO, been trained
on the ATO with presumably an updated rulebook for the line will hit the
emergency stop button at the first unpowered signal he sees even though he's
been told they've all be switched off and to ignore them?

Really? Are the drivers such stupid pavlovian automatons thats why the signals
have to be bagged? Actually you know what , it wouldn't surprise me if they
were.

Transport staff are an asset to this group. You are a liability to this
group because you go out of your way to drive transport staff away.

On Thu, 17 Sep 2015 20:36:59 +0100
Basil Jet wrote:
On 2015\09\17 17:08, y wrote:
On Thu, 17 Sep 2015 17:01:06 +0100
Basil Jet wrote:
You know damn well that he does whatever his rulebook says, and that no
verbal instruction can overrule his rulebook unless his rulebook
specifically says that a verbal instruction can overrule it, and that
most or all rules in the rulebook have arisen from specific incidents
that killed people and are an attempt to prevent repetition of those
deaths. You also know that Britain has the safest railway in the world.
It's this determination to endlessly criticise transport staff for no
good reason that has made you the laughing stock of the group.

Heh, yeah ok

So Mr Rulebook. A driver who knows the line is running on ATO, been trained
on the ATO with presumably an updated rulebook for the line will hit the
emergency stop button at the first unpowered signal he sees even though he's
been told they've all be switched off and to ignore them?

Really? Are the drivers such stupid pavlovian automatons thats why the
signals
have to be bagged? Actually you know what , it wouldn't surprise me if they
were.

Transport staff are an asset to this group. You are a liability to this
group because you go out of your way to drive transport staff away.

Blah blah blah. How about you answer the questions I posed Mr Transport Export
who didn't know it was 3rd rail south of the Thames a few weeks back.

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Spud

On 2015\09\18 09:16, y wrote:
On Thu, 17 Sep 2015 20:36:59 +0100
Basil Jet wrote:
On 2015\09\17 17:08, y wrote:
On Thu, 17 Sep 2015 17:01:06 +0100
Basil Jet wrote:
You know damn well that he does whatever his rulebook says, and that no
verbal instruction can overrule his rulebook unless his rulebook
specifically says that a verbal instruction can overrule it, and that
most or all rules in the rulebook have arisen from specific incidents
that killed people and are an attempt to prevent repetition of those
deaths. You also know that Britain has the safest railway in the world.
It's this determination to endlessly criticise transport staff for no
good reason that has made you the laughing stock of the group.

Heh, yeah ok

So Mr Rulebook. A driver who knows the line is running on ATO, been trained
on the ATO with presumably an updated rulebook for the line will hit the
emergency stop button at the first unpowered signal he sees even though he's
been told they've all be switched off and to ignore them?

Really? Are the drivers such stupid pavlovian automatons thats why the
signals
have to be bagged? Actually you know what , it wouldn't surprise me if they
were.

Transport staff are an asset to this group. You are a liability to this
group because you go out of your way to drive transport staff away.

Blah blah blah. How about you answer the questions I posed Mr Transport Export
who didn't know it was 3rd rail south of the Thames a few weeks back.

Now you're just plain lying.