In article , (Roland Perry)
wrote:

In message , at 11:41:37
on Fri, 16 Oct 2015, Paul Corfield remarked:

Haven't you been introduced to Mr R Perry, Honourable Member for all
things Nottingham, Ely and Cambridgeshire? :-))))

I can do urban transport in some detail in Geneva and Amsterdam too
(as well as London of course).

Never taken a private hire in Ely, so I have no idea if they have
meters or not. The cars in the rank at the station are [East Cambs]
Hackneys.

I should bloody well hope that any car on a rank is a licensed hackney
carriage as only they may ply for hire legally.

The answer to your earlier question is that some other major cities,
Birmingham to my personal knowledge and as also mentioned in a news report
today, Manchester and Sheffield, share with London the inexplicable (to me)
Luddite rule that bans meters in hire cars. What possible justification can
there be for this?

--
Colin Rosenstiel

On 16/10/2015 21:49, tim..... wrote:

"Someone Somewhere" wrote in message
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On 16/10/2015 20:02, tim..... wrote:


And I have to say that I have gone off Uber now that I understand this
part of their model.

I thought their MO was that they charged you a known-up-front-fare, just
like minicabs.

This determination of the fare based upon the real time analysis of the
actual journey, leads to all sorts of opportunities for dispute.


Why?

cos - as the rest of your post explains for me

it's all a bit of a faff!

I've made one complaint in about 30 journeys and that was resolved
within an hour with a credit being applied to my card. The fact is, if
you're happy with the journey you see a price, you rate the driver (1
click) and it's done. If you're not happy, you look at the map and see
if you think (s)he could have done better.

The point about my latter statement was that Uber actually make pains to
ensure things are kept out of the drivers hands - they can't arbitarily
start/stop a journey and so on without specific consent from the
requesting users app.

On 16/10/2015 23:05, wrote:
In article , (Roland Perry)
wrote:

In message , at 11:41:37
on Fri, 16 Oct 2015, Paul Corfield remarked:

Haven't you been introduced to Mr R Perry, Honourable Member for all
things Nottingham, Ely and Cambridgeshire? :-))))

I can do urban transport in some detail in Geneva and Amsterdam too
(as well as London of course).

Never taken a private hire in Ely, so I have no idea if they have
meters or not. The cars in the rank at the station are [East Cambs]
Hackneys.

I should bloody well hope that any car on a rank is a licensed hackney
carriage as only they may ply for hire legally.

The answer to your earlier question is that some other major cities,
Birmingham to my personal knowledge and as also mentioned in a news report
today, Manchester and Sheffield, share with London the inexplicable (to me)
Luddite rule that bans meters in hire cars. What possible justification can
there be for this?

Eliminating any excuse for mistaking a pirate car for a taxi, of course.

In article ,
(JNugent) wrote:

On 16/10/2015 23:05, wrote:
In article ,
(Roland Perry) wrote:

In message , at 11:41:37
on Fri, 16 Oct 2015, Paul Corfield remarked:

Haven't you been introduced to Mr R Perry, Honourable Member for all
things Nottingham, Ely and Cambridgeshire? :-))))

I can do urban transport in some detail in Geneva and Amsterdam too
(as well as London of course).

Never taken a private hire in Ely, so I have no idea if they have
meters or not. The cars in the rank at the station are [East Cambs]
Hackneys.

I should bloody well hope that any car on a rank is a licensed hackney
carriage as only they may ply for hire legally.

The answer to your earlier question is that some other major cities,
Birmingham to my personal knowledge and as also mentioned in a news
report today, Manchester and Sheffield, share with London the
inexplicable (to me) Luddite rule that bans meters in hire cars. What
possible justification can there be for this?

Eliminating any excuse for mistaking a pirate car for a taxi, of course.

That is addressed by marking rules on vehicles, both hackneys and hire cars.
The position should be clear enough. They aren't unmarked like Addison Lee
cars in London are.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Addison Lee vehicles are cleared marked on the back with the
company logo. However, any mentally competent person can tell
the difference between a London Hackney Cab and a minicab. The
idea that a meter - inside the vehicle, remember - is necessary to
enable people to differentiate is absurd.

That's not my understanding. When Uber first mooted trading
in London, they made overtures to the Hackney Cab trade and
made disparaging comments about minicabs. With characteristic
arrogance and lack of foresight, the black cabs spurned Uber who
then swallowed their words and took on minicab drivers.

I'm not aware that Uber have ever hinted, let alone stated publicly,
that the long term objective is to use driverless vehicles. If that
possibility were out in the public domain, I'm sure it would be a
major element in public discussion of Uber.

On 17/10/2015 01:37, wrote:
In article ,
(JNugent) wrote:

On 16/10/2015 23:05, wrote:
In article ,
(Roland Perry) wrote:

In message , at 11:41:37
on Fri, 16 Oct 2015, Paul Corfield remarked:

Haven't you been introduced to Mr R Perry, Honourable Member for all
things Nottingham, Ely and Cambridgeshire? :-))))

I can do urban transport in some detail in Geneva and Amsterdam too
(as well as London of course).

Never taken a private hire in Ely, so I have no idea if they have
meters or not. The cars in the rank at the station are [East Cambs]
Hackneys.

I should bloody well hope that any car on a rank is a licensed hackney
carriage as only they may ply for hire legally.

The answer to your earlier question is that some other major cities,
Birmingham to my personal knowledge and as also mentioned in a news
report today, Manchester and Sheffield, share with London the
inexplicable (to me) Luddite rule that bans meters in hire cars. What
possible justification can there be for this?

Eliminating any excuse for mistaking a pirate car for a taxi, of course.

That is addressed by marking rules on vehicles, both hackneys and hire cars.
The position should be clear enough. They aren't unmarked like Addison Lee
cars in London are.

As you very well know, Addison Lee cars are far from unmarked.

Your giving them as an example is therefore mystifying.

On 17/10/2015 10:02, Robin9 wrote:

;151173 Wrote:
In article ,
(JNugent) wrote:
-
On 16/10/2015 23:05, wrote:-
In article ,
(Roland Perry) wrote:
-
In message , at 11:41:37
on Fri, 16 Oct 2015, Paul Corfield remarked:

Haven't you been introduced to Mr R Perry, Honourable Member for all
things Nottingham, Ely and Cambridgeshire? :-))))

I can do urban transport in some detail in Geneva and Amsterdam too
(as well as London of course).

Never taken a private hire in Ely, so I have no idea if they have
meters or not. The cars in the rank at the station are [East Cambs]
Hackneys.-

I should bloody well hope that any car on a rank is a licensed
hackney carriage as only they may ply for hire legally.

The answer to your earlier question is that some other major cities,
Birmingham to my personal knowledge and as also mentioned in a news
report today, Manchester and Sheffield, share with London the
inexplicable (to me) Luddite rule that bans meters in hire cars. What

possible justification can there be for this?-

Eliminating any excuse for mistaking a pirate car for a taxi, of
course.-

That is addressed by marking rules on vehicles, both hackneys and hire
cars.
The position should be clear enough. They aren't unmarked like Addison
Lee cars in London are.

Addison Lee vehicles are cleared marked on the back with the
company logo. However, any mentally competent person can tell
the difference between a London Hackney Cab and a minicab. The
idea that a meter - inside the vehicle, remember - is necessary to
enable people to differentiate is absurd.

Not everyone using transport in London comes from London.

Not everyone using transport in London comes from a town or city where
the proper purpose-built taxi can be found and purpose-built taxis are
just about unknown outside the UK. Most places are served by saloon cars
fitted with a taximeter and a sign on the roof in order to distinguish
them from any other car on the road.

For many (even if not most) people, it is relatively easy to be deceived
into believing that a London pirate car is somehow a "taxi".

There are even some people who will deny that obvious truth.

In article ,
(Robin9) wrote:

Addison Lee vehicles are cleared marked on the back with the
company logo. However, any mentally competent person can tell
the difference between a London Hackney Cab and a minicab. The
idea that a meter - inside the vehicle, remember - is necessary to

In Cambridge, and in many other places outside London, hire cars have to be
clearly marked along the lines "Hire Car - Pre-booked only".

--
Colin Rosenstiel

In article ,
(JNugent) wrote:

On 17/10/2015 01:37, wrote:
In article ,
(JNugent) wrote:

On 16/10/2015 23:05, wrote:
In article ,
(Roland Perry) wrote:

In message , at 11:41:37
on Fri, 16 Oct 2015, Paul Corfield remarked:

Haven't you been introduced to Mr R Perry, Honourable Member for all
things Nottingham, Ely and Cambridgeshire? :-))))

I can do urban transport in some detail in Geneva and Amsterdam too
(as well as London of course).

Never taken a private hire in Ely, so I have no idea if they have
meters or not. The cars in the rank at the station are [East Cambs]
Hackneys.

I should bloody well hope that any car on a rank is a licensed hackney
carriage as only they may ply for hire legally.

The answer to your earlier question is that some other major cities,
Birmingham to my personal knowledge and as also mentioned in a news
report today, Manchester and Sheffield, share with London the
inexplicable (to me) Luddite rule that bans meters in hire cars. What
possible justification can there be for this?

Eliminating any excuse for mistaking a pirate car for a taxi, of
course.

That is addressed by marking rules on vehicles, both hackneys and hire
cars. The position should be clear enough. They aren't unmarked like
Addison Lee cars in London are.

As you very well know, Addison Lee cars are far from unmarked.

Your giving them as an example is therefore mystifying.

They do not say anything like "Hire Car - Pre-booked only", do they?

--
Colin Rosenstiel