Chiltern Services Between Amersham & Harrow
 

Does anyone agree with me that Chiltern Services should be made 'Pick Up
Only' on services to Aylesbury and 'Drop Off Only' on services to London. I
am tired of people who are crowding up services on Chiltern because they
don't want to travel with LU.
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In article , Joe
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Does anyone agree with me that Chiltern Services should be made 'Pick Up
Only' on services to Aylesbury and 'Drop Off Only' on services to London. I
am tired of people who are crowding up services on Chiltern because they
don't want to travel with LU.
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So when the doors open exactly how are you going to stop people on the
platform boarding the train or getting off?

Bouncers on the platform? Hold people at the gates? Staff manning every
door?

Get real.
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Chiltern Services Between Amersham & Harrow
 

So when the doors open exactly how are you going to stop people on the
platform boarding the train or getting off?
Bouncers on the platform? Hold people at the gates? Staff manning every
door?

Actually many other TOCs like Virgin have done it in the past, and still do
it. Trains will be announced as 'Not stopping'
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"Joe" wrote in message
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So when the doors open exactly how are you going to stop people on the
platform boarding the train or getting off?
Bouncers on the platform? Hold people at the gates? Staff manning every
door?

Actually many other TOCs like Virgin have done it in the past, and still
do
it. Trains will be announced as 'Not stopping'

In the morning and evening peaks there is now good reason to need to run
Chiltern services non-stop, at least between Amersham and Marylebone, to
achieve maximum revenue per passenger and to provide a reasonable travelling
environment to those passengers. Bear in mind that north of Amersham 100% of
the revenue goes to Chiltern, from the LUL stations only a proportion (fixed
by the annual passenger survey) goes into Chiltern's pockets. Therefore it
is in their interests to fill the train with non-LUL passengers at peak
times.

Unfortunately, Chiltern are required to provide as many services from each
station (including LUL stations) as they did pre-privatisation. There is no
capacity to run much in the way of additional services, so their hands are
tied and passengers travelling via the Metropolitan will have to continue to
put up with trains wedged full by LUL passengers (sometimes to the detriment
of full-fare passengers travelling to Chiltern destinations) unless the SRA
can be convinced that the current agreement is out of date and does not
benefit current passenger trends.

Chiltern Services Between Amersham & Harrow
 

In the morning and evening peaks there is now good reason to need to run
Chiltern services non-stop, at least between Amersham and Marylebone, to
achieve maximum revenue per passenger and to provide a reasonable
travelling
environment to those passengers. Bear in mind that north of Amersham 100%
of
the revenue goes to Chiltern, from the LUL stations only a proportion
(fixed
by the annual passenger survey) goes into Chiltern's pockets. Therefore it
is in their interests to fill the train with non-LUL passengers at peak
times.

Not just in the Peaks, I travelled on the 10 35 (or whatever it is) and it
was wedged, like normal, after Amersham

Unfortunately, Chiltern are required to provide as many services from each
station (including LUL stations) as they did pre-privatisation. There is
no
capacity to run much in the way of additional services, so their hands are
tied and passengers travelling via the Metropolitan will have to continue
to
put up with trains wedged full by LUL passengers (sometimes to the
detriment
of full-fare passengers travelling to Chiltern destinations) unless the
SRA
can be convinced that the current agreement is out of date and does not
benefit current passenger trends.

Which exactly is the problem. The removal of stops at Moor Park a few years
back made it slightly better, but it has got noticabley worce recently,
especially since the Congestion charge and the stupid signallers @
Marylebone who run a train in front of one that is about to leave and send a
4-car train into a platform that only has room for 2
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If there were fewer Chiltern services from Amersham/Chesham to
Harrow-on-the-Hill, then London Underground would have to run more trains,
which would just slow the Chiltern Trains. (I am assuming that peak hour
trains every 30 minutes would be unacceptable?)

Considering London Underground's track-record (?!) surely it would be better
to hand over this branch to Chiltern and allow them to run trains according
to their timetable, some could be all-stoppers and some express etc.

Chiltern Services Between Amersham & Harrow
 

"Kevin Bean" wrote in message
. ..
If there were fewer Chiltern services from Amersham/Chesham to
Harrow-on-the-Hill, then London Underground would have to run more trains,
which would just slow the Chiltern Trains. (I am assuming that peak hour
trains every 30 minutes would be unacceptable?)

Considering London Underground's track-record (?!) surely it would be
better
to hand over this branch to Chiltern and allow them to run trains
according
to their timetable, some could be all-stoppers and some express etc.

I entirely agree, I was (once) quite looking forward to Crossrail. If CRCL
had sole operation of the fast lines north of Harrow-on-the-Hill, with LUL
concentrating on the Uxbridge and Watford branches, then the whole service
could be run in a more professional and satisfactory manner, IMHO!

Another solution, which would benefit flexibility (as CR services are
frequently delayed by late running all stations Met services from the City
to Amersham) would be to reinstate the down avoiding line at Chorleywood, to
enable semi-fast CR services to pass late running Met services. It is not
uncommon for a Chiltern service from Marylebone, first stop Great Missenden
or Amersham, to be stuck behind a stopping Met service all the way from
Harrow to Amersham, resulting in a right-time departure from Marylebone
becoming a 15 or 20-minute late arrival at Aylesbury. Sometimes this is
entirely down to the bloody-minded intransigence of Harrow box, who
*deliberately* bring the CR service to a stand at Harrow and let the LUL
stopper out in front of the CR service - I've lost count of the number of
times that that has happened to me over the past ten years.

Chiltern Services Between Amersham & Harrow
 

In message , Andrew P Smith
writes
So when the doors open exactly how are you going to stop people on the
platform boarding the train or getting off?

Bouncers on the platform? Hold people at the gates? Staff manning every
door?

Staff manning every door was what the long distance Wales-Waterloo
services used to stop those terrible home counties people sullying their
trains.
--
Roland Perry

Chiltern Services Between Amersham & Harrow
 

In article , Joe
writes

Actually many other TOCs like Virgin have done it in the past, and still do
it. Trains will be announced as 'Not stopping'

OK, so if it's non stopping how will the people get off? You could hold
people at the barriers but if the gate line isn't manned then it won't
happen.

I've not seen the gate line manned at Amersham expect for the AM peak.

What about people already on the platform?

Not really workable is it?
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Chiltern Services Between Amersham & Harrow
 

In article , Jack Taylor
writes
Bear in mind that north of Amersham 100% of
the revenue goes to Chiltern, from the LUL stations only a proportion (fixed
by the annual passenger survey) goes into Chiltern's pockets.

Can you please tell me when this came into effect?

I understand that Chiltern get free access to LU 'metals' in return for
no passenger revenue from LU stations.
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