Mizter T wrote:
On 27/10/2015 21:53, Recliner wrote:

Robin9 wrote:
[...]
A few weeks ago Venessa Feltz interviewed all the main hopefuls
seeking to be adopted by their party as the candidate for Mayor.
The interviews were spread over several weeks. All the candidates
said that housing was their number one priority and that they would
use public land held by TfL. Not one of them had anything more specific
to offer and certainly neither the Labour nor Tory candidate quantified
their housing ambition.

As I agree that housing is by far the biggest problem facing London,
I'd like to know how many homes could be built on TfL-owned land.

That's the only land directly under mayoral control, but there's plenty of
other brownfield land.

Well, there's GLA Land and Property (inc. ex LDA land, and London HCA
land), plus MPS and LFEPA land.

Is all of that under mayoral control? For example, is the MPS purely under
the mayor's control?

In article ,
(e27002 aurora) wrote:

On Tue, 27 Oct 2015 12:12:54 -0500,
wrote:

In article , (Basil
Jet) wrote:

Mostly in zones 1 and 2.



http://www.standard.co.uk/news/londo...-build-10000-h
omes-in-10-years-at-stations-and-good-yards-a3094536.html

I never cease to be amazed how many original LER stations have still not
had anything built above them despite the intentions over 100 years ago.

Maida Vale Station always surprises me. One presumes it was built as
a plinth. It is in a fairly densely populated area. Yet it remains a
single story shell.

Mornington Crescent too. And how much is above Camden Town?

--
Colin Rosenstiel

In article ,
wrote:
In article ,
(e27002 aurora) wrote:

On Tue, 27 Oct 2015 12:12:54 -0500,
wrote:

In article , (Basil
Jet) wrote:

Mostly in zones 1 and 2.



http://www.standard.co.uk/news/londo...-build-10000-h
omes-in-10-years-at-stations-and-good-yards-a3094536.html

I never cease to be amazed how many original LER stations have still not
had anything built above them despite the intentions over 100 years ago.

Maida Vale Station always surprises me. One presumes it was built as
a plinth. It is in a fairly densely populated area. Yet it remains a
single story shell.

Mornington Crescent too. And how much is above Camden Town?

Is that move allowed in the standard rules ?

Nick
--
"The Internet, a sort of ersatz counterfeit of real life"
-- Janet Street-Porter, BBC2, 19th March 1996

On Tue, 27 Oct 2015 19:48:53 -0500,
wrote:

In article ,
(e27002 aurora) wrote:

On Tue, 27 Oct 2015 12:12:54 -0500,
wrote:

In article , (Basil
Jet) wrote:

Mostly in zones 1 and 2.



http://www.standard.co.uk/news/londo...-build-10000-h
omes-in-10-years-at-stations-and-good-yards-a3094536.html

I never cease to be amazed how many original LER stations have still not
had anything built above them despite the intentions over 100 years ago.

Maida Vale Station always surprises me. One presumes it was built as
a plinth. It is in a fairly densely populated area. Yet it remains a
single story shell.

Mornington Crescent too.

Given the character of the area, one is surprised the Edwardians did
not add a couple of floors of residences above Mornington Crescent
Station.

and how much is above Camden Town?

The situation at Camden Town is pitiful. There is one floor, of what
one assumes is, commercial space above the station.

IMHO this should be replaced. Camden Town Station is soon to gain a
second entrance. It will be on Buck Street. This would be a good
time to develop more space above the existing station entrance.

Leslie Green designed his stations as steel frames capable of
supporting further storeys. The glazed terracotta is merely cladding.
If Mr Green's structure will not support a significant number of
floors, then a new support system will be needed. With modern
materials and techniques it should be possible to add a supporting
structure, and a suspended slab above the station.

Then several floors of office space and residences should be possible.
Each business is a ratepayer, each home is council tax.

As the station is being expanded this would be a good time to
redevelop the locality as a TOD. The existing facades are part of the
local charm, and should remain. But behind them is potential for new,
higher, perhaps terraced buildings. These would densify the
neighborhood bring much needed homes and jobs.

Camden Market could remain but with new accommodations above it. With
some good architecture incorporating the best existing features.
Downtown Camden could become a very desirable area.

All this takes vision and big thinking. But, since we are talking
about the Borough of Camden we should not expect much.

On 2015\10\29 14:23, e27002 aurora wrote:

The situation at Camden Town is pitiful. There is one floor, of what
one assumes is, commercial space above the station.

IMHO this should be replaced. Camden Town Station is soon to gain a
second entrance. It will be on Buck Street. This would be a good
time to develop more space above the existing station entrance.

Leslie Green designed his stations as steel frames capable of
supporting further storeys. The glazed terracotta is merely cladding.
If Mr Green's structure will not support a significant number of
floors, then a new support system will be needed. With modern
materials and techniques it should be possible to add a supporting
structure, and a suspended slab above the station.

Then several floors of office space and residences should be possible.
Each business is a ratepayer, each home is council tax.

Do you think homes are appropriate at a three-line interchange like
Camden Town / Road? I think only employers (including shops) should be
built in that neighbourhood. Save the residences for one-line stations
like Mornington Crescent.

On Thu, 29 Oct 2015 17:25:49 +0000, Basil Jet
wrote:

On 2015\10\29 14:23, e27002 aurora wrote:

The situation at Camden Town is pitiful. There is one floor, of what
one assumes is, commercial space above the station.

IMHO this should be replaced. Camden Town Station is soon to gain a
second entrance. It will be on Buck Street. This would be a good
time to develop more space above the existing station entrance.

Leslie Green designed his stations as steel frames capable of
supporting further storeys. The glazed terracotta is merely cladding.
If Mr Green's structure will not support a significant number of
floors, then a new support system will be needed. With modern
materials and techniques it should be possible to add a supporting
structure, and a suspended slab above the station.

Then several floors of office space and residences should be possible.

cough! Foundations./cough!

Each business is a ratepayer,

Not when it lies empty for years.

each home is council tax.

Not all.

Do you think homes are appropriate at a three-line interchange like
Camden Town / Road? I think only employers (including shops) should be
built in that neighbourhood. Save the residences for one-line stations
like Mornington Crescent.

In message , at 17:42:34 on
Thu, 29 Oct 2015, Charles Ellson remarked:

each home is council tax.

Not all.

There I have to agree with you, given the number of students living in
the area.
--
Roland Perry

On Thu, 29 Oct 2015 17:25:49 +0000, Basil Jet
wrote:

On 2015\10\29 14:23, e27002 aurora wrote:

The situation at Camden Town is pitiful. There is one floor, of what
one assumes is, commercial space above the station.

IMHO this should be replaced. Camden Town Station is soon to gain a
second entrance. It will be on Buck Street. This would be a good
time to develop more space above the existing station entrance.

Leslie Green designed his stations as steel frames capable of
supporting further storeys. The glazed terracotta is merely cladding.
If Mr Green's structure will not support a significant number of
floors, then a new support system will be needed. With modern
materials and techniques it should be possible to add a supporting
structure, and a suspended slab above the station.

Then several floors of office space and residences should be possible.
Each business is a ratepayer, each home is council tax.

Do you think homes are appropriate at a three-line interchange like
Camden Town / Road?

Yes, 1. Camden is already a locality in its own right. The existing
residents should feel that it is theirs. The character should be
preserved.

2. TOD is about densification, and thus maximising land use. It
should be a mixed development. Otherwise after business hours the
area declines into an under-utilized ghost town.

3. London, and the UK generally, have an acute housing shortage. This
pushing up prices. Increase the supply, demand levels off, and the
rate of price increase slows. London needs affordable quality homes
to buy. There is also a need for a private rental market where
building are owned and managed for tenants. This sort of thing is
common in other cities, New York, Los Angeles, etc.

Camden Town will become the interchange station between two lines when
the Northern Line is split. It is not realistic to call it an
interchange with the North London Line.

If a North London Line interchange is desirable, and IMHO it is, then:
Extend the East London DC pair beyond Highbury @ Islington, over new
infrastructure as needed, to the old Primrose Hill Station.

It would be relatively easy to extend the intermediate pedestrian
tunnel at Chalk farm to new stairs and elevators. These would rise to
a reinstated DC Line platform. The entire complex would become "Chalk
Farm Station".

On Fri, 30 Oct 2015 08:15:53 +0000, e27002 aurora
wrote:

On Thu, 29 Oct 2015 17:25:49 +0000, Basil Jet
wrote:

On 2015\10\29 14:23, e27002 aurora wrote:

The situation at Camden Town is pitiful. There is one floor, of what
one assumes is, commercial space above the station.

IMHO this should be replaced. Camden Town Station is soon to gain a
second entrance. It will be on Buck Street. This would be a good
time to develop more space above the existing station entrance.

Leslie Green designed his stations as steel frames capable of
supporting further storeys. The glazed terracotta is merely cladding.
If Mr Green's structure will not support a significant number of
floors, then a new support system will be needed. With modern
materials and techniques it should be possible to add a supporting
structure, and a suspended slab above the station.

Then several floors of office space and residences should be possible.
Each business is a ratepayer, each home is council tax.

Do you think homes are appropriate at a three-line interchange like
Camden Town / Road?

Yes, 1. Camden is already a locality in its own right. The existing
residents should feel that it is theirs. The character should be
preserved.

2. TOD is about densification, and thus maximising land use. It
should be a mixed development. Otherwise after business hours the
area declines into an under-utilized ghost town.

3. London, and the UK generally, have an acute housing shortage. This
pushing up prices. Increase the supply, demand levels off, and the
rate of price increase slows. London needs affordable quality homes
to buy. There is also a need for a private rental market where
building are owned and managed for tenants. This sort of thing is
common in other cities, New York, Los Angeles, etc.

Camden Town will become the interchange station between two lines when
the Northern Line is split. It is not realistic to call it an
interchange with the North London Line.

If a North London Line interchange is desirable, and IMHO it is, then:
Extend the East London DC pair beyond Highbury @ Islington, over new
infrastructure as needed, to the old Primrose Hill Station.

It would be relatively easy to extend the intermediate pedestrian
tunnel at Chalk farm to new stairs and elevators. These would rise to
a reinstated DC Line platform. The entire complex would become "Chalk
Farm Station".

No practical need. The passengers (mostly) have legs and there are two
walking routes over local highways. A connecting tunnel would require
sufficient clearance from buildings above or if under the road from
any buried services (and would in the end be longer than walking on
the surface). To come up in Primrose Hill from underneath the
difference in levels would possibly also require provision of
escalators and a lift at one end if not both. Chalk Farm platforms are
54 steps down which isn't all that deep (27ft if steps have 6" rise)