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10,000 homes to be built on TfL stations, depots and goods yards
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10,000 homes to be built on TfL stations, depots and goods yards
On Tuesday, 27 October 2015 00:59:28 UTC, Basil Jet wrote:
Mostly in zones 1 and 2. http://www.standard.co.uk/news/londo...-a3094536.html They complain that they're having to move too many people, then they build more houses. |
10,000 homes to be built on TfL stations, depots and goods yards
On Tue, 27 Oct 2015 01:38:55 -0700 (PDT), Offramp
wrote: On Tuesday, 27 October 2015 00:59:28 UTC, Basil Jet wrote: Mostly in zones 1 and 2. http://www.standard.co.uk/news/londo...-a3094536.html They complain that they're having to move too many people, then they build more houses. I don't think TfL complains about rising demand for its services. It's usually showing off about how demand and supply have risen. |
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seeking to be adopted by their party as the candidate for Mayor. The interviews were spread over several weeks. All the candidates said that housing was their number one priority and that they would use public land held by TfL. Not one of them had anything more specific to offer and certainly neither the Labour nor Tory candidate quantified their housing ambition. As I agree that housing is by far the biggest problem facing London, I'd like to know how many homes could be built on TfL-owned land. |
10,000 homes to be built on TfL stations, depots and goods yards
In article , (Basil Jet)
wrote: Mostly in zones 1 and 2. http://www.standard.co.uk/news/londo...build-10000-ho mes-in-10-years-at-stations-and-good-yards-a3094536.html I never cease to be amazed how many original LER stations have still not had anything built above them despite the intentions over 100 years ago. -- Colin Rosenstiel |
10,000 homes to be built on Transport for London stations, depots and goods yards
On Tue, 27 Oct 2015 00:59:26 +0000, Basil Jet
wrote: Mostly in zones 1 and 2. http://www.standard.co.uk/news/londo...-a3094536.html Well if this means quality, spacious, well designed apartments, and condominiums, it would be great. Especially of some of them are progressed as part of TODs with employment, and retail, built into the development. Unfortunately these days good urban development, and what London does, has about as much in common as gourmet cuisine and a plate of scrambled eggs. We can only hope for better. |
10,000 homes to be built on TfL stations, depots and goods yards
Robin9 wrote:
'Basil Jet[_4_ Wrote: ;151378']Mostly in zones 1 and 2. http://tinyurl.com/pzcu3vz A few weeks ago Venessa Feltz interviewed all the main hopefuls seeking to be adopted by their party as the candidate for Mayor. The interviews were spread over several weeks. All the candidates said that housing was their number one priority and that they would use public land held by TfL. Not one of them had anything more specific to offer and certainly neither the Labour nor Tory candidate quantified their housing ambition. As I agree that housing is by far the biggest problem facing London, I'd like to know how many homes could be built on TfL-owned land. That's the only land directly under mayoral control, but there's plenty of other brownfield land. For example, lots of former petrol station sites are now blocks of flats, and numerous office blocks have been converted to residential use. Other government-owned land is also being released. And ingenious developers manage to squeeze new homes into back gardens. |
10,000 homes to be built on TfL stations, depots and goods yards
On 27/10/2015 21:53, Recliner wrote:
Robin9 wrote: [...] A few weeks ago Venessa Feltz interviewed all the main hopefuls seeking to be adopted by their party as the candidate for Mayor. The interviews were spread over several weeks. All the candidates said that housing was their number one priority and that they would use public land held by TfL. Not one of them had anything more specific to offer and certainly neither the Labour nor Tory candidate quantified their housing ambition. As I agree that housing is by far the biggest problem facing London, I'd like to know how many homes could be built on TfL-owned land. That's the only land directly under mayoral control, but there's plenty of other brownfield land. Well, there's GLA Land and Property (inc. ex LDA land, and London HCA land), plus MPS and LFEPA land. For example, lots of former petrol station sites are now blocks of flats, and numerous office blocks have been converted to residential use. Other government-owned land is also being released. And ingenious developers manage to squeeze new homes into back gardens. |
10,000 homes to be built on Transport for London stations, depots and goods yards
On Tue, 27 Oct 2015 20:40:01 +0000, e27002 aurora
wrote: On Tue, 27 Oct 2015 12:12:54 -0500, wrote: In article , (Basil Jet) wrote: Mostly in zones 1 and 2. http://www.standard.co.uk/news/londo...build-10000-ho mes-in-10-years-at-stations-and-good-yards-a3094536.html I never cease to be amazed how many original LER stations have still not had anything built above them despite the intentions over 100 years ago. Maida Vale Station always surprises me. One presumes it was built as a plinth. It is in a fairly densely populated area. Yet it remains a single story shell. It's a fairly standard building based on an updated (by Stanley Heaps) version of the general Leslie Green style like Kilburn Park to the north and others elsewhere :- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leslie_Green https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanley_Heaps Heaps had taken over from Green who died in 1908 before the Bakerloo Line extension was opened. Heaps moved on to a different style with the extension of the Northern Line to Edgware in the 1920s. |
10,000 homes to be built on TfL stations, depots and goods yards
Mizter T wrote:
On 27/10/2015 21:53, Recliner wrote: Robin9 wrote: [...] A few weeks ago Venessa Feltz interviewed all the main hopefuls seeking to be adopted by their party as the candidate for Mayor. The interviews were spread over several weeks. All the candidates said that housing was their number one priority and that they would use public land held by TfL. Not one of them had anything more specific to offer and certainly neither the Labour nor Tory candidate quantified their housing ambition. As I agree that housing is by far the biggest problem facing London, I'd like to know how many homes could be built on TfL-owned land. That's the only land directly under mayoral control, but there's plenty of other brownfield land. Well, there's GLA Land and Property (inc. ex LDA land, and London HCA land), plus MPS and LFEPA land. Is all of that under mayoral control? For example, is the MPS purely under the mayor's control? |
10,000 homes to be built on Transport for London stations, depots and good
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(e27002 aurora) wrote: On Tue, 27 Oct 2015 12:12:54 -0500, wrote: In article , (Basil Jet) wrote: Mostly in zones 1 and 2. http://www.standard.co.uk/news/londo...-build-10000-h omes-in-10-years-at-stations-and-good-yards-a3094536.html I never cease to be amazed how many original LER stations have still not had anything built above them despite the intentions over 100 years ago. Maida Vale Station always surprises me. One presumes it was built as a plinth. It is in a fairly densely populated area. Yet it remains a single story shell. Mornington Crescent too. And how much is above Camden Town? -- Colin Rosenstiel |
10,000 homes to be built on Transport for London stations, depots and good
In article ,
wrote: In article , (e27002 aurora) wrote: On Tue, 27 Oct 2015 12:12:54 -0500, wrote: In article , (Basil Jet) wrote: Mostly in zones 1 and 2. http://www.standard.co.uk/news/londo...-build-10000-h omes-in-10-years-at-stations-and-good-yards-a3094536.html I never cease to be amazed how many original LER stations have still not had anything built above them despite the intentions over 100 years ago. Maida Vale Station always surprises me. One presumes it was built as a plinth. It is in a fairly densely populated area. Yet it remains a single story shell. Mornington Crescent too. And how much is above Camden Town? Is that move allowed in the standard rules ? Nick -- "The Internet, a sort of ersatz counterfeit of real life" -- Janet Street-Porter, BBC2, 19th March 1996 |
10,000 homes to be built on Transport for London stations, depots and good
On Tue, 27 Oct 2015 19:48:53 -0500,
wrote: In article , (e27002 aurora) wrote: On Tue, 27 Oct 2015 12:12:54 -0500, wrote: In article , (Basil Jet) wrote: Mostly in zones 1 and 2. http://www.standard.co.uk/news/londo...-build-10000-h omes-in-10-years-at-stations-and-good-yards-a3094536.html I never cease to be amazed how many original LER stations have still not had anything built above them despite the intentions over 100 years ago. Maida Vale Station always surprises me. One presumes it was built as a plinth. It is in a fairly densely populated area. Yet it remains a single story shell. Mornington Crescent too. Given the character of the area, one is surprised the Edwardians did not add a couple of floors of residences above Mornington Crescent Station. and how much is above Camden Town? The situation at Camden Town is pitiful. There is one floor, of what one assumes is, commercial space above the station. IMHO this should be replaced. Camden Town Station is soon to gain a second entrance. It will be on Buck Street. This would be a good time to develop more space above the existing station entrance. Leslie Green designed his stations as steel frames capable of supporting further storeys. The glazed terracotta is merely cladding. If Mr Green's structure will not support a significant number of floors, then a new support system will be needed. With modern materials and techniques it should be possible to add a supporting structure, and a suspended slab above the station. Then several floors of office space and residences should be possible. Each business is a ratepayer, each home is council tax. As the station is being expanded this would be a good time to redevelop the locality as a TOD. The existing facades are part of the local charm, and should remain. But behind them is potential for new, higher, perhaps terraced buildings. These would densify the neighborhood bring much needed homes and jobs. Camden Market could remain but with new accommodations above it. With some good architecture incorporating the best existing features. Downtown Camden could become a very desirable area. All this takes vision and big thinking. But, since we are talking about the Borough of Camden we should not expect much. |
10,000 homes to be built on Transport for London stations, depotsand good
On 2015\10\29 14:23, e27002 aurora wrote:
The situation at Camden Town is pitiful. There is one floor, of what one assumes is, commercial space above the station. IMHO this should be replaced. Camden Town Station is soon to gain a second entrance. It will be on Buck Street. This would be a good time to develop more space above the existing station entrance. Leslie Green designed his stations as steel frames capable of supporting further storeys. The glazed terracotta is merely cladding. If Mr Green's structure will not support a significant number of floors, then a new support system will be needed. With modern materials and techniques it should be possible to add a supporting structure, and a suspended slab above the station. Then several floors of office space and residences should be possible. Each business is a ratepayer, each home is council tax. Do you think homes are appropriate at a three-line interchange like Camden Town / Road? I think only employers (including shops) should be built in that neighbourhood. Save the residences for one-line stations like Mornington Crescent. |
10,000 homes to be built on Transport for London stations, depots and good
On Thu, 29 Oct 2015 17:25:49 +0000, Basil Jet
wrote: On 2015\10\29 14:23, e27002 aurora wrote: The situation at Camden Town is pitiful. There is one floor, of what one assumes is, commercial space above the station. IMHO this should be replaced. Camden Town Station is soon to gain a second entrance. It will be on Buck Street. This would be a good time to develop more space above the existing station entrance. Leslie Green designed his stations as steel frames capable of supporting further storeys. The glazed terracotta is merely cladding. If Mr Green's structure will not support a significant number of floors, then a new support system will be needed. With modern materials and techniques it should be possible to add a supporting structure, and a suspended slab above the station. Then several floors of office space and residences should be possible. cough! Foundations./cough! Each business is a ratepayer, Not when it lies empty for years. each home is council tax. Not all. Do you think homes are appropriate at a three-line interchange like Camden Town / Road? I think only employers (including shops) should be built in that neighbourhood. Save the residences for one-line stations like Mornington Crescent. |
10,000 homes to be built on Transport for London stations, depots and good
In message , at 17:42:34 on
Thu, 29 Oct 2015, Charles Ellson remarked: each home is council tax. Not all. There I have to agree with you, given the number of students living in the area. -- Roland Perry |
10,000 homes to be built on Transport for London stations, depots and good
On Thu, 29 Oct 2015 17:25:49 +0000, Basil Jet
wrote: On 2015\10\29 14:23, e27002 aurora wrote: The situation at Camden Town is pitiful. There is one floor, of what one assumes is, commercial space above the station. IMHO this should be replaced. Camden Town Station is soon to gain a second entrance. It will be on Buck Street. This would be a good time to develop more space above the existing station entrance. Leslie Green designed his stations as steel frames capable of supporting further storeys. The glazed terracotta is merely cladding. If Mr Green's structure will not support a significant number of floors, then a new support system will be needed. With modern materials and techniques it should be possible to add a supporting structure, and a suspended slab above the station. Then several floors of office space and residences should be possible. Each business is a ratepayer, each home is council tax. Do you think homes are appropriate at a three-line interchange like Camden Town / Road? Yes, 1. Camden is already a locality in its own right. The existing residents should feel that it is theirs. The character should be preserved. 2. TOD is about densification, and thus maximising land use. It should be a mixed development. Otherwise after business hours the area declines into an under-utilized ghost town. 3. London, and the UK generally, have an acute housing shortage. This pushing up prices. Increase the supply, demand levels off, and the rate of price increase slows. London needs affordable quality homes to buy. There is also a need for a private rental market where building are owned and managed for tenants. This sort of thing is common in other cities, New York, Los Angeles, etc. Camden Town will become the interchange station between two lines when the Northern Line is split. It is not realistic to call it an interchange with the North London Line. If a North London Line interchange is desirable, and IMHO it is, then: Extend the East London DC pair beyond Highbury @ Islington, over new infrastructure as needed, to the old Primrose Hill Station. It would be relatively easy to extend the intermediate pedestrian tunnel at Chalk farm to new stairs and elevators. These would rise to a reinstated DC Line platform. The entire complex would become "Chalk Farm Station". |
10,000 homes to be built on Transport for London stations, depots and good
On Fri, 30 Oct 2015 08:15:53 +0000, e27002 aurora
wrote: On Thu, 29 Oct 2015 17:25:49 +0000, Basil Jet wrote: On 2015\10\29 14:23, e27002 aurora wrote: The situation at Camden Town is pitiful. There is one floor, of what one assumes is, commercial space above the station. IMHO this should be replaced. Camden Town Station is soon to gain a second entrance. It will be on Buck Street. This would be a good time to develop more space above the existing station entrance. Leslie Green designed his stations as steel frames capable of supporting further storeys. The glazed terracotta is merely cladding. If Mr Green's structure will not support a significant number of floors, then a new support system will be needed. With modern materials and techniques it should be possible to add a supporting structure, and a suspended slab above the station. Then several floors of office space and residences should be possible. Each business is a ratepayer, each home is council tax. Do you think homes are appropriate at a three-line interchange like Camden Town / Road? Yes, 1. Camden is already a locality in its own right. The existing residents should feel that it is theirs. The character should be preserved. 2. TOD is about densification, and thus maximising land use. It should be a mixed development. Otherwise after business hours the area declines into an under-utilized ghost town. 3. London, and the UK generally, have an acute housing shortage. This pushing up prices. Increase the supply, demand levels off, and the rate of price increase slows. London needs affordable quality homes to buy. There is also a need for a private rental market where building are owned and managed for tenants. This sort of thing is common in other cities, New York, Los Angeles, etc. Camden Town will become the interchange station between two lines when the Northern Line is split. It is not realistic to call it an interchange with the North London Line. If a North London Line interchange is desirable, and IMHO it is, then: Extend the East London DC pair beyond Highbury @ Islington, over new infrastructure as needed, to the old Primrose Hill Station. It would be relatively easy to extend the intermediate pedestrian tunnel at Chalk farm to new stairs and elevators. These would rise to a reinstated DC Line platform. The entire complex would become "Chalk Farm Station". No practical need. The passengers (mostly) have legs and there are two walking routes over local highways. A connecting tunnel would require sufficient clearance from buildings above or if under the road from any buried services (and would in the end be longer than walking on the surface). To come up in Primrose Hill from underneath the difference in levels would possibly also require provision of escalators and a lift at one end if not both. Chalk Farm platforms are 54 steps down which isn't all that deep (27ft if steps have 6" rise) |
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