In uk.transport.london message
om, Tue, 10 Nov 2015 10:45:55, Paul Corfield
posted:
On Tue, 10 Nov 2015 10:34:41 +0000 (UTC), d wrote:

In a Money No Object universe , another way to reduce the crowding at Bank
would be to extend the Great Northern from moorgate one stop since a lot of
people go from there onto the northern to go 1 stop to Bank.

Unfortunately Crossrail and the new Moorgate/ Liv St station
completely blocks the ability to extend the GN tunnels. "Money no
object" is overridden by "physically impossible".

The distance is under half a mile. Pedestrian tunnels must be much
easier to route than train tunnels are. Extend the Great Northern from
Moorgate to Bank as pedestrian tunnel, entered from the platforms, with
branches at the south end to deliver to Bank station, other nearby
transport nexi, various other places of employment, and the Bank itself.

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In message , Peter Smyth
wrote:
That would require much more tunnelling. I believe the plan is that
Nortbound trains will be able to run non-stop through Bank as normal
during the works, while all Southbound trains will run via Charing
Cross.

The plan is a 40 day closure Moorgate to Kennington, with trains
reversing at the former.

This is followed by 77 days where part of the service involves trains
running southbound via Charing Cross and northbound via Bank
(non-stopping Bank itself) - I don't know if the plan is to use the
Kennington siding or run to Morden - and the remainder involves trains
reversing south-to-north at Moorgate.

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On Wed, 11 Nov 2015 23:01:36 +0000
Dr J R Stockton wrote:
In uk.transport.london message
om, Tue, 10 Nov 2015 10:45:55, Paul Corfield
posted:
On Tue, 10 Nov 2015 10:34:41 +0000 (UTC), d wrote:

In a Money No Object universe , another way to reduce the crowding at Bank
would be to extend the Great Northern from moorgate one stop since a lot of
people go from there onto the northern to go 1 stop to Bank.

Unfortunately Crossrail and the new Moorgate/ Liv St station
completely blocks the ability to extend the GN tunnels. "Money no
object" is overridden by "physically impossible".

The distance is under half a mile. Pedestrian tunnels must be much

Still a hell of a hike though through tunnel. Also would probably have
potential safety issues in the rush hour.

easier to route than train tunnels are. Extend the Great Northern from
Moorgate to Bank as pedestrian tunnel, entered from the platforms, with
branches at the south end to deliver to Bank station, other nearby
transport nexi, various other places of employment, and the Bank itself.

Or , extend the DLR from Bank north. Its pretty deep and the DLR trains
don't mind steep gradients so diving under crossrail wouldn't be an issue.
It would give people a 2nd option to get the DLR which since the stairs from
the northern line down to the DLR are almost impassable in the mornings
could only be a good thing.

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In article , d () wrote:

On Wed, 11 Nov 2015 23:01:36 +0000
Dr J R Stockton wrote:
In uk.transport.london message
, Tue, 10 Nov 2015 10:45:55,
Paul Corfield posted:
On Tue, 10 Nov 2015 10:34:41 +0000 (UTC), d wrote:

In a Money No Object universe , another way to reduce the crowding at
Bank would be to extend the Great Northern from moorgate one stop since
a lot of people go from there onto the northern to go 1 stop to Bank.

Unfortunately Crossrail and the new Moorgate/ Liv St station
completely blocks the ability to extend the GN tunnels. "Money no
object" is overridden by "physically impossible".

The distance is under half a mile. Pedestrian tunnels must be much

Still a hell of a hike though through tunnel. Also would probably
have potential safety issues in the rush hour.

easier to route than train tunnels are. Extend the Great Northern from
Moorgate to Bank as pedestrian tunnel, entered from the platforms, with
branches at the south end to deliver to Bank station, other nearby
transport nexi, various other places of employment, and the Bank itself.

Or , extend the DLR from Bank north. Its pretty deep and the DLR trains
don't mind steep gradients so diving under crossrail wouldn't be an issue.
It would give people a 2nd option to get the DLR which since the stairs
from the northern line down to the DLR are almost impassable in the
mornings could only be a good thing.

Where does the DLR over-run siding at Bank go?

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In message , at 11:24:19
on Thu, 12 Nov 2015, remarked:

Where does the DLR over-run siding at Bank go?

http://husk.org/www.geocities.com/at...069/ltmonu.jpg
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In article , (Roland Perry)
wrote:

In message , at
11:24:19 on Thu, 12 Nov 2015, remarked:

Where does the DLR over-run siding at Bank go?

http://husk.org/www.geocities.com/at...069/ltmonu.jpg

According to that it appears to turn a sharp right corner. Really?

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wrote:
In article , (Roland Perry)
wrote:

In message , at
11:24:19 on Thu, 12 Nov 2015, remarked:

Where does the DLR over-run siding at Bank go?

http://husk.org/www.geocities.com/at...069/ltmonu.jpg

According to that it appears to turn a sharp right corner. Really?

Yes, I was intrigued by that. I wonder if it's some sort of maintenance or
support room, rather than a tracked tunnel?

On Thu, 12 Nov 2015 11:24:19 -0600
wrote:
In article , d () wrote:
Or , extend the DLR from Bank north. Its pretty deep and the DLR trains
don't mind steep gradients so diving under crossrail wouldn't be an issue.
It would give people a 2nd option to get the DLR which since the stairs
from the northern line down to the DLR are almost impassable in the
mornings could only be a good thing.

Where does the DLR over-run siding at Bank go?

Don't know, not far I don't think. But the DLR platforms at Bank are aligned
with the northern line so I assume that means they're already aligned
north-south.

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Spud

In message , at 10:43:35 on Fri, 13 Nov
2015, d remarked:
Or , extend the DLR from Bank north. Its pretty deep and the DLR trains
don't mind steep gradients so diving under crossrail wouldn't be an issue.
It would give people a 2nd option to get the DLR which since the stairs
from the northern line down to the DLR are almost impassable in the
mornings could only be a good thing.

Where does the DLR over-run siding at Bank go?

Don't know, not far I don't think. But the DLR platforms at Bank are aligned
with the northern line so I assume that means they're already aligned
north-south.

Lots of stuff about Bank station he

http://www.londonreconnections.com/2...ade-part-2-of-
2-the-proposals/
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Roland Perry

On Fri, 13 Nov 2015 10:59:15 +0000
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 10:43:35 on Fri, 13 Nov
2015, d remarked:
Or , extend the DLR from Bank north. Its pretty deep and the DLR trains
don't mind steep gradients so diving under crossrail wouldn't be an issue.
It would give people a 2nd option to get the DLR which since the stairs
from the northern line down to the DLR are almost impassable in the
mornings could only be a good thing.

Where does the DLR over-run siding at Bank go?

Don't know, not far I don't think. But the DLR platforms at Bank are aligned
with the northern line so I assume that means they're already aligned
north-south.

Lots of stuff about Bank station he

http://www.londonreconnections.com/2...ade-part-2-of-
2-the-proposals/

Sounds like what they did at Angel 15 years or so ago. Makes sense. 700m
is a long bit of new tunnel though.

On the subject of the DLR I've noticed they never check for people left in
the train when it moves out of Bank plus the cleaners tend to ride on it too
so it wouldn't be impossible for someone to ride up front to the end of
the overrun and take a picture of whats there. And no , I'm not volunteering!

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Spud