On 19/11/2015 23:21, Basil Jet wrote:

looks at bus map

Can I just say that the 455 is the oddest bus route shape I've ever
seen. I think there are three separate places where you could get off
and walk and be waiting for the same bus further on. But I digress.

It was clearly designed by the same person responsible for the 100!

On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 10:14:59PM +0000, Basil Jet wrote:

She might not know the proper name of the North London Line ...

It would be a stupid name for TfL to use anyway. Too easy to confuse
with the Northern Line.

--
David Cantrell | Hero of the Information Age

If I could read only one thing it would be the future, in the
entrails of the ******* denying me access to anything else.

On 2015-11-20 20:57:58 +0000, Paul Corfield said:

On Wed, 18 Nov 2015 09:36:14 +0000 (UTC), d wrote:

I took the ELL from Highbury this morning for the first time in about 6 months.
Even after the obligatory 7 minute wait for the train to leave it was still
only a 3rd full in the middle of the morning rush hour. Compared to last time
I used it this is virtually empty. I can only assume the poor service
frequency and slow journey times (25 mins to do the 4 miles to canada water
this morning) have put people off as they did me. What a waste of an asset.

So on the basis of a one journey sample the entire service is "poorly
patronised" and an "asset is being wasted"! Hardly a statistically
robust analysis and if anyone put forward that level of evidence as
proof against something you believed you'd tear them a new posterior
in arguing with them.

LOL. He's definitely not Spud-u-Like.

I looked up the passeger journey figures for the Overground as a whole
and they've about tripled since 2010. I couldn't see any breakdown by
line - are these figures on line do you know?

E.

In article ,
(Paul Corfield) wrote:

I haven't see a breakdown on Overground line by line for a long while.
Tends to only happen if there is an update to a TfL meeting. I expect
there may be an update to the Rail and Underground panel next year -
assuming those meetings survive the arrival of a new Mayor. One year
of TfL operation on West Anglia and the Shenfield lines should trigger
a review / assessment of what's gone on. Ditto post completion of 5
car works on most Overground routes.

Which reminds me to ask. Are all the 5th cars in service now?

--
Colin Rosenstiel

On 20/11/2015 09:43, Someone Somewhere wrote:
On 19/11/2015 23:21, Basil Jet wrote:

looks at bus map

Can I just say that the 455 is the oddest bus route shape I've ever
seen. I think there are three separate places where you could get off
and walk and be waiting for the same bus further on. But I digress.

It was clearly designed by the same person responsible for the 100!

The 455 enters an Asda car park to stop right outside rather than across
the road; then it pulls into a side road which provides access to a
retail park (and small housing estate); then it orbits a Sainsbury's and
other shops with bus stops on the side roads rather than the main road.
It is slower than a direct route would be, but does make a degree of
sense in context.

The Purley Way area is pretty pedestrian-hostile, and the bus provides a
degree of door-to-door access without having to try to cross on foot.

--
Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK

Arthur Figgis wrote:

On 20/11/2015 09:43, Someone Somewhere wrote:
On 19/11/2015 23:21, Basil Jet wrote:

looks at bus map

Can I just say that the 455 is the oddest bus route shape I've ever
seen. I think there are three separate places where you could get off
and walk and be waiting for the same bus further on. But I digress.

It was clearly designed by the same person responsible for the 100!

The 455 enters an Asda car park to stop right outside rather than across
the road; then it pulls into a side road which provides access to a
retail park (and small housing estate); then it orbits a Sainsbury's and
other shops with bus stops on the side roads rather than the main road.
It is slower than a direct route would be, but does make a degree of
sense in context.

The Purley Way area is pretty pedestrian-hostile, and the bus provides a
degree of door-to-door access without having to try to cross on foot.

Yes but that is not the only odd bit.

From near Waddon station/Duppas Hill there are 2 -3 stops which are near
but it will be quicker to walk between them rather than catch the bus as
it goes all around central Croydon.

The 407 is similar but less meandering

--
Mark

On Fri, 20 Nov 2015 20:57:58 +0000
Paul Corfield wrote:
On Wed, 18 Nov 2015 09:36:14 +0000 (UTC), d wrote:

I took the ELL from Highbury this morning for the first time in about 6
months.
Even after the obligatory 7 minute wait for the train to leave it was still
only a 3rd full in the middle of the morning rush hour. Compared to last time
I used it this is virtually empty. I can only assume the poor service
frequency and slow journey times (25 mins to do the 4 miles to canada water
this morning) have put people off as they did me. What a waste of an asset.

So on the basis of a one journey sample the entire service is "poorly
patronised" and an "asset is being wasted"! Hardly a statistically
robust analysis and if anyone put forward that level of evidence as
proof against something you believed you'd tear them a new posterior
in arguing with them.

Its was a normal weekday morning rush hour. Not any kind of public or
religious holiday AFAIK. So yes, that one journey sample IMO was a good
enough sample. However the service was still frankly **** so I won't be
using it again in a hurry.

--
Spud

On Fri, 20 Nov 2015 22:10:56 +0000
eastender wrote:
On 2015-11-20 20:57:58 +0000, Paul Corfield said:

On Wed, 18 Nov 2015 09:36:14 +0000 (UTC), d wrote:

I took the ELL from Highbury this morning for the first time in about 6
months.
Even after the obligatory 7 minute wait for the train to leave it was still
only a 3rd full in the middle of the morning rush hour. Compared to last
time
I used it this is virtually empty. I can only assume the poor service
frequency and slow journey times (25 mins to do the 4 miles to canada water
this morning) have put people off as they did me. What a waste of an asset.

So on the basis of a one journey sample the entire service is "poorly
patronised" and an "asset is being wasted"! Hardly a statistically
robust analysis and if anyone put forward that level of evidence as
proof against something you believed you'd tear them a new posterior
in arguing with them.

LOL. He's definitely not Spud-u-Like.

You should do stand-up.

I looked up the passeger journey figures for the Overground as a whole
and they've about tripled since 2010. I couldn't see any breakdown by

Thats useful - given that the ELL didn't start visiting Highbury until 2011.

--
Spud

On 18/11/2015 09:36, d wrote:
I took the ELL from Highbury this morning for the first time in about 6 months.
Even after the obligatory 7 minute wait for the train to leave it was still
only a 3rd full in the middle of the morning rush hour. Compared to last time
I used it this is virtually empty. I can only assume the poor service
frequency and slow journey times (25 mins to do the 4 miles to canada water
this morning) have put people off as they did me. What a waste of an asset.


I use the ELL fairly regularly (peak and off-peak) and it's always well
patronised.

On 18/11/2015 18:48, e27002 aurora wrote:

On Wed, 18 Nov 2015 09:36:14 +0000 (UTC), d wrote:

I took the ELL from Highbury this morning for the first time in about 6 months.
Even after the obligatory 7 minute wait for the train to leave it was still
only a 3rd full in the middle of the morning rush hour. Compared to last time
I used it this is virtually empty. I can only assume the poor service
frequency and slow journey times (25 mins to do the 4 miles to canada water
this morning) have put people off as they did me. What a waste of an asset.

This is sad to hear. The Overground has such great potential. [...]

A Spud rant saying the ELL is poorly patronised based on a single
observation shouldn't be mistaken for empirical facts. The line is very
well used.