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[email protected] · November 24th 15, 05:13 PM posted to uk.transport.london

On Tue, 24 Nov 2015 18:09:11 +0100
Eric wrote:
On 2015-11-24, d wrote:
So one platformn is being removed from LS just after the Overground has
started running into it. I'm sure this will end well. *cough*

No, the existing Shenfield trains use 16,17,18. When Crossrail opens
they will go through the centre (i.e. the new Liverpool Street Crossrail
platforms) except for some in the peak that will go into the existing
Liverpool Street using platforms 16 and 17 - 18 will have been lost to
make 16 and 17 long enough.

Yes, so a platform has been lost. And this is when TfL will at some point
want to increase the frequency of the Overground running to LS.

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[email protected] · November 24th 15, 06:15 PM posted to uk.transport.london

In article , d () wrote:

On Tue, 24 Nov 2015 17:00:09 +0100
Eric wrote:
On 2015-11-24, Basil Jet wrote:
I didn't make myself clear. I meant that I see no reason why the trains
terminating at Liverpool Street have to be as long as the trains going
through to Paddington. Certainly not if they have to lose a platform to
do it. How long are these trains and platforms now? Why would the
introduction of Crossrail bring about an increase in the number of
people using Liverpool Street, because I would expect a decrease.

Because over time the cost of not having a uniform fleet (spare sets,
scheduling problems for the normal timetable, flexibility when something
goes wrong ...) is probably greater than the cost of fiddling with

Thats something LU finally figured out when it ordered the S stock.

the end of one platform (2 faces). That's all its about. There _will_
be fewer passengers (and fewer trains) at Liverpool Street ("surface"),
so there's no reason not to lose one platform that is just long enough
for an 8-car 315.

So one platformn is being removed from LS just after the Overground has
started running into it. I'm sure this will end well. *cough*

The Overground doesn't use that side (the old Electric Lines) of Liverpool
St, platforms 11-18. It uses some of the lowest numbered platforms (1-4?)
though it shares with AGA on them.

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Colin Rosenstiel

[email protected] · November 24th 15, 06:29 PM posted to uk.transport.london

In article , d () wrote:

On Tue, 24 Nov 2015 18:09:11 +0100
Eric wrote:
On 2015-11-24, d wrote:
So one platformn is being removed from LS just after the Overground has
started running into it. I'm sure this will end well. *cough*

No, the existing Shenfield trains use 16,17,18. When Crossrail opens
they will go through the centre (i.e. the new Liverpool Street Crossrail
platforms) except for some in the peak that will go into the existing
Liverpool Street using platforms 16 and 17 - 18 will have been lost to
make 16 and 17 long enough.

Yes, so a platform has been lost. And this is when TfL will at some point
want to increase the frequency of the Overground running to LS.

They don't use that side of the station, though. Is it even accessible from
Bethnal Green junctions?

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Eric[_3_] · November 24th 15, 06:31 PM posted to uk.transport.london

On 2015-11-24, d wrote:
On Tue, 24 Nov 2015 18:09:11 +0100
Eric wrote:
On 2015-11-24, d wrote:
So one platformn is being removed from LS just after the Overground has
started running into it. I'm sure this will end well. *cough*

No, the existing Shenfield trains use 16,17,18. When Crossrail opens
they will go through the centre (i.e. the new Liverpool Street Crossrail
platforms) except for some in the peak that will go into the existing
Liverpool Street using platforms 16 and 17 - 18 will have been lost to
make 16 and 17 long enough.

Yes, so a platform has been lost. And this is when TfL will at some point
want to increase the frequency of the Overground running to LS.

A platform which Overground trains could not get to without destroying
the capacity of the station throat.

Eric
--
ms fnd in a lbry

Basil Jet[_4_] · November 24th 15, 06:46 PM posted to uk.transport.london

On 2015\11\24 18:31, Eric wrote:
On 2015-11-24, d wrote:
On Tue, 24 Nov 2015 18:09:11 +0100
Eric wrote:
On 2015-11-24, d wrote:
So one platformn is being removed from LS just after the Overground has
started running into it. I'm sure this will end well. *cough*

No, the existing Shenfield trains use 16,17,18. When Crossrail opens
they will go through the centre (i.e. the new Liverpool Street Crossrail
platforms) except for some in the peak that will go into the existing
Liverpool Street using platforms 16 and 17 - 18 will have been lost to
make 16 and 17 long enough.

Yes, so a platform has been lost. And this is when TfL will at some point
want to increase the frequency of the Overground running to LS.

A platform which Overground trains could not get to without destroying
the capacity of the station throat.

I think he was suggesting that the tracks into the platforms all be
budged over one, rather than that trains from the westernmost track use
the easternmost platform. I have no idea how easy it would be to do that.

[email protected] · November 24th 15, 09:11 PM posted to uk.transport.london

In article , (Basil Jet)
wrote:

On 2015\11\24 18:31, Eric wrote:
On 2015-11-24, d wrote:
On Tue, 24 Nov 2015 18:09:11 +0100
Eric wrote:
On 2015-11-24, d wrote:
So one platformn is being removed from LS just after the Overground
has started running into it. I'm sure this will end well. *cough*

No, the existing Shenfield trains use 16,17,18. When Crossrail opens
they will go through the centre (i.e. the new Liverpool Street
Crossrail platforms) except for some in the peak that will go into the
existing Liverpool Street using platforms 16 and 17 - 18 will have
been lost to make 16 and 17 long enough.

Yes, so a platform has been lost. And this is when TfL will at some
point want to increase the frequency of the Overground running to LS.

A platform which Overground trains could not get to without destroying
the capacity of the station throat.

I think he was suggesting that the tracks into the platforms all be
budged over one, rather than that trains from the westernmost track
use the easternmost platform. I have no idea how easy it would be to
do that.

Aren't 9 and 10 the only ones that can take the Norwich trains?

--
Colin Rosenstiel

[email protected] · November 24th 15, 09:11 PM posted to uk.transport.london

In article ,
(Paul Corfield) wrote:

On Tue, 24 Nov 2015 12:15:10 -0600,
wrote:

The Overground doesn't use that side (the old Electric Lines) of
Liverpool St, platforms 11-18. It uses some of the lowest numbered
platforms (1-4?) though it shares with AGA on them.

P1-7 - some peak LOROL services get as far across as Platform 7. As
you say the station is shared with AGA who run trains out of platforms
1-15 in totality. TfL Rail have P16-18 routinely but can run out of
other platforms if required.

I think 9 & 10 are for Norwich services with AGA services on 11-15 separate
from those on 1-8.

As I am sure you know the services are "grouped" into batches of
platforms to avoid excessive crossing of tracks in the station throat
at busy times.

Indeed. Which means that AGA services are subdivided into WA & mainline
groups.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Eric[_3_] · November 25th 15, 11:50 AM posted to uk.transport.london

On 2015-11-24, wrote:
In article , (Basil Jet)
wrote:

On 2015\11\24 18:31, Eric wrote:
On 2015-11-24, d wrote:
On Tue, 24 Nov 2015 18:09:11 +0100
Eric wrote:
On 2015-11-24, d wrote:
So one platformn is being removed from LS just after the Overground
has started running into it. I'm sure this will end well. *cough*

No, the existing Shenfield trains use 16,17,18. When Crossrail opens
they will go through the centre (i.e. the new Liverpool Street
Crossrail platforms) except for some in the peak that will go into the
existing Liverpool Street using platforms 16 and 17 - 18 will have
been lost to make 16 and 17 long enough.

Yes, so a platform has been lost. And this is when TfL will at some
point want to increase the frequency of the Overground running to LS.

A platform which Overground trains could not get to without destroying
the capacity of the station throat.

I think he was suggesting that the tracks into the platforms all be
budged over one, rather than that trains from the westernmost track
use the easternmost platform. I have no idea how easy it would be to
do that.

Aren't 9 and 10 the only ones that can take the Norwich trains?

No. All are long enough except 16,17,18. In terms of track layout
(getting to and from the fast lines), all of 5-14 seem to be possible,
and I have seen all of 8-12 myself over the years.

Eric
--
ms fnd in a lbry

[email protected] · November 25th 15, 06:24 PM posted to uk.transport.london

In article , (Eric) wrote:

On 2015-11-24,
wrote:
In article ,
(Basil Jet) wrote:

On 2015\11\24 18:31, Eric wrote:
On 2015-11-24, d wrote:
On Tue, 24 Nov 2015 18:09:11 +0100
Eric wrote:
On 2015-11-24, d wrote:
So one platformn is being removed from LS just after the
Overground has started running into it. I'm sure this will end
well. *cough*

No, the existing Shenfield trains use 16,17,18. When Crossrail
opens they will go through the centre (i.e. the new Liverpool
Street Crossrail platforms) except for some in the peak that will
go into the existing Liverpool Street using platforms 16 and 17
- 18 will have been lost to make 16 and 17 long enough.

Yes, so a platform has been lost. And this is when TfL will at some
point want to increase the frequency of the Overground running to
LS.

A platform which Overground trains could not get to without
destroying the capacity of the station throat.

I think he was suggesting that the tracks into the platforms all be
budged over one, rather than that trains from the westernmost track
use the easternmost platform. I have no idea how easy it would be to
do that.

Aren't 9 and 10 the only ones that can take the Norwich trains?

No. All are long enough except 16,17,18. In terms of track layout
(getting to and from the fast lines), all of 5-14 seem to be possible,
and I have seen all of 8-12 myself over the years.

I thought 9 and 10 were longer than the rest. Or did that go in the
rebuilding? I usually do see Norwich loco and DVT trains there.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Eric[_3_] · November 25th 15, 06:48 PM posted to uk.transport.london

On 2015-11-25, wrote:
In article , (Eric) wrote:

On 2015-11-24,
wrote:
In article ,
(Basil Jet) wrote:

On 2015\11\24 18:31, Eric wrote:
On 2015-11-24, d wrote:
On Tue, 24 Nov 2015 18:09:11 +0100
Eric wrote:
On 2015-11-24, d wrote:
So one platformn is being removed from LS just after the
Overground has started running into it. I'm sure this will end
well. *cough*

No, the existing Shenfield trains use 16,17,18. When Crossrail
opens they will go through the centre (i.e. the new Liverpool
Street Crossrail platforms) except for some in the peak that will
go into the existing Liverpool Street using platforms 16 and 17
- 18 will have been lost to make 16 and 17 long enough.

Yes, so a platform has been lost. And this is when TfL will at some
point want to increase the frequency of the Overground running to
LS.

A platform which Overground trains could not get to without
destroying the capacity of the station throat.

I think he was suggesting that the tracks into the platforms all be
budged over one, rather than that trains from the westernmost track
use the easternmost platform. I have no idea how easy it would be to
do that.

Aren't 9 and 10 the only ones that can take the Norwich trains?

No. All are long enough except 16,17,18. In terms of track layout
(getting to and from the fast lines), all of 5-14 seem to be possible,
and I have seen all of 8-12 myself over the years.

I thought 9 and 10 were longer than the rest. Or did that go in the
rebuilding?

Yes.

I usually do see Norwich loco and DVT trains there.

Yes, they are the usual platforms. 8 used to be used a lot at one time,
but I don't know about now.

Eric
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ms fnd in a lbry

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