Some more crayonista stuff.

The line planned from the new Stoke Newington junction to New
Southgate... instead of
(Seven Sisters, Wood Green) or
(Seven Sisters, Turnpike Lane, Alexandra Palace) how about
(Harringay Green Lanes, Crouch End Broadway, Muswell Hill Broadway)
instead. In distance terms it would be marginally longer, but it serves
a lot more places that are very poorly served at the moment. If
interchange with the Seven Sisters Overground is essential, add a pair
of platforms at Stoke Newington immediately south of the junction.

It would miss out on interchange with the Picc and Vic, but I don't see
that as a major problem because the line largely replicates the Vic
anyway. Alternatively, run it from Dalston via (Finsbury Park, Crouch
Hill, Crouch End Broadway, Muswell Hill Broadway) and possibly give the
Seven Sisters Overground line a Stoke Newington interchange with the
Tottenham Hale Crossrail branch. But that would all be dearer, I think.

If you're taking your line to Muswell Hill - splendid idea,
by the way - you might as well take it further to New
Southgate and Arnos Grove, this providing links to two
other lines.

On 2015\11\27 18:10, Robin9 wrote:
'Basil Jet[_4_ Wrote:
;152066']Some more crayonista stuff.

The line planned from the new Stoke Newington junction to New
Southgate... instead of
(Seven Sisters, Wood Green) or
(Seven Sisters, Turnpike Lane, Alexandra Palace) how about
(Harringay Green Lanes, Crouch End Broadway, Muswell Hill Broadway)
instead. In distance terms it would be marginally longer, but it serves

a lot more places that are very poorly served at the moment. If
interchange with the Seven Sisters Overground is essential, add a pair
of platforms at Stoke Newington immediately south of the junction.

It would miss out on interchange with the Picc and Vic, but I don't see

that as a major problem because the line largely replicates the Vic
anyway. Alternatively, run it from Dalston via (Finsbury Park, Crouch
Hill, Crouch End Broadway, Muswell Hill Broadway) and possibly give the

Seven Sisters Overground line a Stoke Newington interchange with the
Tottenham Hale Crossrail branch. But that would all be dearer, I think.

If you're taking your line to Muswell Hill - splendid idea,
by the way - you might as well take it further to New
Southgate and Arnos Grove, this providing links to two
other lines.

Thanks for being the only person to reply... fantasy railways used to be
very popular in this group... not so much now, it would seem. Mostly
that's a good thing, but Crossrail 2 is something we might really change.

I wasn't very clear, but I was taking it as given that New Southgate
would be the terminus and depot regardless of route chosen.

I'm thinking of emailing the Hornsey MP. I prefer the Finsbury Park
option but I think it's a lot dearer, and I'm reluctant to advocate
increased cost because then it does become fantasy railway. But I'm not
sure if Muswell Hill / Crouch End residents would want a railway...
before you know it you'd have St Georges flags hanging from windows and
white vans covered in Ukip stickers.

The more I think about it, the more convinced I am
that Crossrail 2 needs to be changed.

I know a few people in the Muswell Hill area and only a
few are like those nimbys in Chelsea. I think many would
appreciate their own station. I sometimes travel home from
Colney Hatch Lane by taking the 43 bus to Upper Holloway
Station and then by Overground. It's slow and a station at
Muswell Hill would speed things up.

In St James Lane in Muswell Hill, the old viaduct to Alexander
Palace in still in place, reminding us of Muswell Hill's previous
railway connection.

On 2015\11\28 15:25, Robin9 wrote:
The more I think about it, the more convinced I am
that Crossrail 2 needs to be changed.

I know a few people in the Muswell Hill area and only a
few are like those nimbys in Chelsea. I think many would
appreciate their own station. I sometimes travel home from
Colney Hatch Lane by taking the 43 bus to Upper Holloway
Station and then by Overground. It's slow and a station at
Muswell Hill would speed things up.

The other factor is that people in Albert Road and Tottenham Lane who
currently bus to Picc stations would start using the stations at Muswell
Hill and Crouch End instead, so it would still provide some relief to
the Picc, which I believe is one of its stated aims (although presumably
not as much as an interchange at Wood Green or Turnpike Lane would).

In message , Robin9
writes

In St James Lane in Muswell Hill, the old viaduct to Alexander
Palace in still in place, reminding us of Muswell Hill's previous
railway connection.


In the 80s, as a Haringey Councillor, I supported a light railway of , a
then unique, design running partly on rails partly suspended, funded by
the EU and which would have run from Highgate (upper level) station
along, above the abandoned line through Muswell Hill, Crouch End,
Alexandra Palace to Finsbury Park.

The idea was abandoned as the environmentalists amongst us didn't want
to build on what had become the Parkland Walk
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parkland_Walk )



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On 2015\11\28 16:11, Bryan Morris wrote:
In message , Robin9
writes

In St James Lane in Muswell Hill, the old viaduct to Alexander
Palace in still in place, reminding us of Muswell Hill's previous
railway connection.


In the 80s, as a Haringey Councillor, I supported a light railway of , a
then unique, design running partly on rails partly suspended, funded by
the EU and which would have run from Highgate (upper level) station
along, above the abandoned line through Muswell Hill, Crouch End,
Alexandra Palace to Finsbury Park.

I presume you mean from Alexandra Palace through Muswell Hill, Highgate
(upper level) station, Crouch End, to Finsbury Park, i.e. following the
abandoned railway. Suspended how? Like the Schwebebahn?

I have to say, every time I look at the planned branch doing nearly a
right angle at Seven Sisters, I think that some clueless manager saw the
abandoned Palace Gates branch on a map and told their underlings to use
it, but when their underlings pointed out that it was largely built on,
said "I... meant a tunnel... obviously" and they haven't been able to
subsequently admit that they cocked up and they never would have
suggested that alignment at all if they hadn't thought it would be a
cheap line along the surface.

In message , Basil Jet
writes
On 2015\11\28 16:11, Bryan Morris wrote:
In message , Robin9
writes

In St James Lane in Muswell Hill, the old viaduct to Alexander
Palace in still in place, reminding us of Muswell Hill's previous
railway connection.


In the 80s, as a Haringey Councillor, I supported a light railway of , a
then unique, design running partly on rails partly suspended, funded by
the EU and which would have run from Highgate (upper level) station
along, above the abandoned line through Muswell Hill, Crouch End,
Alexandra Palace to Finsbury Park.

I presume you mean from Alexandra Palace through Muswell Hill, Highgate
(upper level) station, Crouch End, to Finsbury Park, i.e. following the
abandoned railway. Suspended how? Like the Schwebebahn?

Yep following the abandoned line. It's 30 years ago now but from memory
(and we were given a presentation by the manufacturers) at places it
would be suspended over the Parklands Walk and at other times would be
at ground level.

It would have been driverless, run 24/7, and at times consist of a
single car, supplemented by extra cars when needed.

At the time I was a member of the Alexander Palace and Park Committee
and we were planning the rebuilding of Alexander Palace after the fire
that had largely destroyed it. I felt the plans for the Palace (Hotel,
Exhibition Centre etc.) too ambitious because of the lack of transport
facilities and then this came up which I felt was needed both for
connections to Alexandra Palace and to bring places like Muswell Hill ,
Crouch End etc. to connect to the Northern Line at Highgate High Level.

I wanted at least a feasibility study to be undertaken but could not get
the required votes.
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On Sat, 28 Nov 2015 17:06:55 +0000
Bryan Morris wrote:
In message , Basil Jet
connections to Alexandra Palace and to bring places like Muswell Hill ,
Crouch End etc. to connect to the Northern Line at Highgate High Level.

If there was a northern line branch to Muswell Hill I can only imagine the
stratospheric prices the houses would reach there. They're not exactly cheap
now. Pulling up that branch line must have been one of the most short
sighted idiotic things ever done in london transport policy.

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Spud