On Fri, 4 Dec 2015 10:41:18 +0000, eastender wrote:

He has just got a new debit card (HSBC) so hopefully that will be
contactless but I don't know if they issue them to students.

My bank here in Norway was unable to issue me with a contactless card
before I went to London this summer. They were running a trial for
students only, though.

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jhk

On Fri, 4 Dec 2015 15:34:03 -0000, "tim....."
wrote:

I have just receive my new card and I had to put it in any ATM (presumably
to confirm my PIN) before it would work contactlessly.

Did you also have to activate it online? My bank requires this and I
think it's a good idea as anyone could grab it from my mailbox.

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jhk

In message , at 15:44:40 on Fri, 4 Dec
2015, d remarked:

if the card has now been used for the first time
for TfL it can probably be used again in a shop without the first time PIN.

Except I've never been asked for that "first-time" PIN. Have you?
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Roland Perry

On 04/12/2015 18:04, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 15:44:40 on Fri, 4 Dec
2015, d remarked:

if the card has now been used for the first time
for TfL it can probably be used again in a shop without the first time
PIN.

Except I've never been asked for that "first-time" PIN. Have you?

My Santander card required use in an ATM before it was used contactless.

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Herbie

On 04/12/2015 14:35, Clive Page wrote:
On 04/12/2015 09:57, Piatkow wrote:
On Friday, December 4, 2015 at 9:51:15 AM UTC, eastender wrote:
Is it no longer possible to buy a single bus ticket? My son has left
his Oyster card somewhere and is coming into Euston tonight - does he
have to buy a one day card to use the bus?

E.

He can use a contactless bank card to pay for a single fare.

I thought that when contactless bank cards were introduced for small
transactions in shops one of the safeguards was that the first time you
used one you would be required to enter your pin on the associated pin
pad, just so that if someone stole your card and you had not enabled it
in this way it could not be used to empty your account. But buses and
tube gatelines don't have a pin-pad - so does this mean (a) that you no
longer have to enable them, so that all contactless cards are instantly
valuable to a thief who wants to travel around London, or (b) you do
have to use them somewhere else first such as in a shop where a pin-pad
is provided? I've searched the TfL website without being able to find
anything on this topic.

(I'm an Oyster user but have a National Rail discount loaded on mine, so
use of contactless cards would cost more, but it would be nice to know
whether in an emergency I could use it or not).


How would an Oyster Reader on a bus be able to check with your bank?

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On 04/12/2015 18:04, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 15:44:40 on Fri, 4 Dec
2015, d remarked:

if the card has now been used for the first time
for TfL it can probably be used again in a shop without the first time
PIN.

Except I've never been asked for that "first-time" PIN. Have you?

It's never happened with me.

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if the card has now been used for the first time
for TfL it can probably be used again in a shop without the first time PIN.

Except I've never been asked for that "first-time" PIN. Have you?

Nope. When I was in London last month I used my U.S. issued AmEx
card. Worked great. It has both a regular chip and a contactless
one, but AmEx is quite clear that there is no PIN.

In article , d () wrote:

On Fri, 4 Dec 2015 15:35:21 +0000
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 14:58:38 on Fri, 4 Dec
2015, d remarked:
Good to know TfL are completely ignoring basic banking security. Makes
me glad I've disabled all my contactless cards.

They'll block the card it it's reported lost/stolen, and you should be
able to get your money back. It's not as if the perp's run off with a

Eventually. It all costs time and money in phonecalls which are variably
0845 numbers and the inconvenience of waiting for a replacement card.

Most of my cards have "from Overseas" alternatives which are 01xxx numbers.

free burger or anything, so I expect they are happy to take the risk.

I'm sure they are however if the card has now been used for the first time
for TfL it can probably be used again in a shop without the first time
PIN. Thats not their problem though is it.

I've not been asked for a PIN on any contactless transaction.

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Colin Rosenstiel

"Jarle Hammen Knudsen" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 4 Dec 2015 15:34:03 -0000, "tim....."
wrote:

I have just receive my new card and I had to put it in any ATM (presumably
to confirm my PIN) before it would work contactlessly.

Did you also have to activate it online?

Like I said I had to "use" it in an ATM. - I got a mini statement.

That required my inputting the PIN.

30 second later I used it for a wireless transaction.

Unless the claim that it wont work wirelessly until inserted in the AM is a
rouse, I assume that it validated itself by writing back to the card, rather
than keeping this information in the network. BICBW


My bank requires this and I
think it's a good idea as anyone could grab it from my mailbox.

see above

tim

"Roland Perry" wrote in message
...
In message , at 15:44:40 on Fri, 4 Dec
2015, d remarked:

if the card has now been used for the first time
for TfL it can probably be used again in a shop without the first time
PIN.

Except I've never been asked for that "first-time" PIN. Have you?

A few times that I first tried to use my card [2] in a new store [1] the
transaction was rejected and I had to pay some other way.

I initially thought that my card had some sort of incapability with that
store, but after a few tries in various different locations it worked.

With hindsight, I guess that it was rejecting it and expecting me to swipe
the same card in the machine and use my PIN to validate it, but because the
transaction was "low value", I paid by cash instead, hence the multiple
rejections.

If this is the case a more meaningful message would have been helpful.

[1] both Morrisons and Aldi suffered this problem - multiple locations
[2] Not the same card I am referring to elsewhere in this thread

tim