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Clapham shelter to be revived
London Underground has secured planning permission and listed building consent from Lambeth Council to turn a park-side rotunda building near Clapham South Tube station into a new restaurant or café with exhibition space, bringing the historic Grade II World War Two shelter back to life.
A café or restaurant will be created on the site, offering views over Clapham Common. Under the Rotunda, 180 steps below ground and under the Northern line tunnels, lie eight deep-level air-raid shelters that were built between 1940 and 1942. The vast tunnels are one of seven deep level networks constructed along the Northern line. It was not until 1944, when the bombing of London intensified with the use of V-1 and V-2 bombs, that the shelter was used for its intended purpose of housing up to 8,000 Londoners during air-raids. It closed after less than a year in May 1945. TfL has rented out the shelter for secure archive storage in the past. In 1998, English Heritage awarded the shelter Grade II listed status in recognition of its history, noting that it is the only deep-level shelter remaining that retains much of the original signage and is one of the few to retain many of the original bunk beds... |
Clapham shelter to be revived
On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 22:30:05 -0800 (PST), Offramp
wrote: London Underground has secured planning permission and listed building consent from Lambeth Council to turn a park-side rotunda building near Clapham South Tube station into a new restaurant or café with exhibition space, bringing the historic Grade II World War Two shelter back to life. A café or restaurant will be created on the site, offering views over Clapham Common. Under the Rotunda, 180 steps below ground and under the Northern line tunnels, lie eight deep-level air-raid shelters that were built between 1940 and 1942. The vast tunnels are one of seven deep level networks constructed along the Northern line. It was not until 1944, when the bombing of London intensified with the use of V-1 and V-2 bombs, that the shelter was used for its intended purpose of housing up to 8,000 Londoners during air-raids. It closed after less than a year in May 1945. TfL has rented out the shelter for secure archive storage in the past. In 1998, English Heritage awarded the shelter Grade II listed status in recognition of its history, noting that it is the only deep-level shelter remaining that retains much of the original signage and is one of the few to retain many of the original bunk beds... Much better, IMHO to use it for its original purpose. To wit as part of a fast, limited stop pair quadrupling the TfL Northern Line. |
Clapham shelter to be revived
On Tue, 22 Dec 2015 08:08:59 +0000, e27002 aurora
wrote: On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 22:30:05 -0800 (PST), Offramp wrote: London Underground has secured planning permission and listed building consent from Lambeth Council to turn a park-side rotunda building near Clapham South Tube station into a new restaurant or café with exhibition space, bringing the historic Grade II World War Two shelter back to life. A café or restaurant will be created on the site, offering views over Clapham Common. Under the Rotunda, 180 steps below ground and under the Northern line tunnels, lie eight deep-level air-raid shelters that were built between 1940 and 1942. The vast tunnels are one of seven deep level networks constructed along the Northern line. It was not until 1944, when the bombing of London intensified with the use of V-1 and V-2 bombs, that the shelter was used for its intended purpose of housing up to 8,000 Londoners during air-raids. It closed after less than a year in May 1945. TfL has rented out the shelter for secure archive storage in the past. In 1998, English Heritage awarded the shelter Grade II listed status in recognition of its history, noting that it is the only deep-level shelter remaining that retains much of the original signage and is one of the few to retain many of the original bunk beds... Much better, IMHO to use it for its original purpose. To wit as part of a fast, limited stop pair quadrupling the TfL Northern Line. That wasn't the original purpose (note that Wonkypaedia fails to supply a source) rather than a "maybe" use after the war (see second sentence in "History" in :- http://www.subbrit.org.uk/rsg/featur...rs/index.html). The shelters were built near existing tube lines with access and service links to them (and possibly using earlier survey records) thus consequentially were parallel to them. |
Clapham shelter to be revived
On 22/12/2015 20:48, Charles Ellson wrote:
On Tue, 22 Dec 2015 08:08:59 +0000, e27002 aurora wrote: On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 22:30:05 -0800 (PST), Offramp wrote: London Underground has secured planning permission and listed building consent from Lambeth Council to turn a park-side rotunda building near Clapham South Tube station into a new restaurant or café with exhibition space, bringing the historic Grade II World War Two shelter back to life. A café or restaurant will be created on the site, offering views over Clapham Common. Under the Rotunda, 180 steps below ground and under the Northern line tunnels, lie eight deep-level air-raid shelters that were built between 1940 and 1942. The vast tunnels are one of seven deep level networks constructed along the Northern line. It was not until 1944, when the bombing of London intensified with the use of V-1 and V-2 bombs, that the shelter was used for its intended purpose of housing up to 8,000 Londoners during air-raids. It closed after less than a year in May 1945. TfL has rented out the shelter for secure archive storage in the past. In 1998, English Heritage awarded the shelter Grade II listed status in recognition of its history, noting that it is the only deep-level shelter remaining that retains much of the original signage and is one of the few to retain many of the original bunk beds... Much better, IMHO to use it for its original purpose. To wit as part of a fast, limited stop pair quadrupling the TfL Northern Line. That wasn't the original purpose (note that Wonkypaedia fails to supply a source) rather than a "maybe" use after the war (see second sentence in "History" in :- http://www.subbrit.org.uk/rsg/featur...rs/index.html). The shelters were built near existing tube lines with access and service links to them (and possibly using earlier survey records) thus consequentially were parallel to them. The original deep Northern Line tunnels were built along te Bank branch IIRC, the ones around Clapham were built as shelters but with the idea of linking them up to the earlier tunnels post war. -- Graeme Wall This account not read. |
Clapham shelter to be revived
On Tue, 22 Dec 2015 20:54:26 +0000, Graeme Wall
wrote: On 22/12/2015 20:48, Charles Ellson wrote: On Tue, 22 Dec 2015 08:08:59 +0000, e27002 aurora wrote: On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 22:30:05 -0800 (PST), Offramp wrote: London Underground has secured planning permission and listed building consent from Lambeth Council to turn a park-side rotunda building near Clapham South Tube station into a new restaurant or café with exhibition space, bringing the historic Grade II World War Two shelter back to life. A café or restaurant will be created on the site, offering views over Clapham Common. Under the Rotunda, 180 steps below ground and under the Northern line tunnels, lie eight deep-level air-raid shelters that were built between 1940 and 1942. The vast tunnels are one of seven deep level networks constructed along the Northern line. It was not until 1944, when the bombing of London intensified with the use of V-1 and V-2 bombs, that the shelter was used for its intended purpose of housing up to 8,000 Londoners during air-raids. It closed after less than a year in May 1945. TfL has rented out the shelter for secure archive storage in the past. In 1998, English Heritage awarded the shelter Grade II listed status in recognition of its history, noting that it is the only deep-level shelter remaining that retains much of the original signage and is one of the few to retain many of the original bunk beds... Much better, IMHO to use it for its original purpose. To wit as part of a fast, limited stop pair quadrupling the TfL Northern Line. That wasn't the original purpose (note that Wonkypaedia fails to supply a source) rather than a "maybe" use after the war (see second sentence in "History" in :- http://www.subbrit.org.uk/rsg/featur...rs/index.html). The shelters were built near existing tube lines with access and service links to them (and possibly using earlier survey records) thus consequentially were parallel to them. The original deep Northern Line tunnels were built along te Bank branch IIRC, the ones around Clapham were built as shelters but with the idea of linking them up to the earlier tunnels post war. This was my understanding, that the various tunnels could be linked up after the war was over to provide an express line. Had the full route been intact, I suspect it would have been brought into use. |
Clapham shelter to be revived
On Tue, 22 Dec 2015 21:12:06 +0000, Scott
wrote: On Tue, 22 Dec 2015 20:54:26 +0000, Graeme Wall wrote: On 22/12/2015 20:48, Charles Ellson wrote: On Tue, 22 Dec 2015 08:08:59 +0000, e27002 aurora wrote: On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 22:30:05 -0800 (PST), Offramp wrote: London Underground has secured planning permission and listed building consent from Lambeth Council to turn a park-side rotunda building near Clapham South Tube station into a new restaurant or café with exhibition space, bringing the historic Grade II World War Two shelter back to life. A café or restaurant will be created on the site, offering views over Clapham Common. Under the Rotunda, 180 steps below ground and under the Northern line tunnels, lie eight deep-level air-raid shelters that were built between 1940 and 1942. The vast tunnels are one of seven deep level networks constructed along the Northern line. It was not until 1944, when the bombing of London intensified with the use of V-1 and V-2 bombs, that the shelter was used for its intended purpose of housing up to 8,000 Londoners during air-raids. It closed after less than a year in May 1945. TfL has rented out the shelter for secure archive storage in the past. In 1998, English Heritage awarded the shelter Grade II listed status in recognition of its history, noting that it is the only deep-level shelter remaining that retains much of the original signage and is one of the few to retain many of the original bunk beds... Much better, IMHO to use it for its original purpose. To wit as part of a fast, limited stop pair quadrupling the TfL Northern Line. That wasn't the original purpose (note that Wonkypaedia fails to supply a source) rather than a "maybe" use after the war (see second sentence in "History" in :- http://www.subbrit.org.uk/rsg/featur...rs/index.html). The shelters were built near existing tube lines with access and service links to them (and possibly using earlier survey records) thus consequentially were parallel to them. The original deep Northern Line tunnels were built along te Bank branch IIRC, the ones around Clapham were built as shelters but with the idea of linking them up to the earlier tunnels post war. This was my understanding, that the various tunnels could be linked up after the war was over to provide an express line. Had the full route been intact, I suspect it would have been brought into use. The locations are probably why they haven't been brought into use as they would would in effect be four-tracking parts of the Northern and Central Lines rather than providing alternative routes as all the newer tube lines have done. |
Clapham shelter to be revived
Charles Ellson wrote:
On Tue, 22 Dec 2015 21:12:06 +0000, Scott wrote: On Tue, 22 Dec 2015 20:54:26 +0000, Graeme Wall wrote: On 22/12/2015 20:48, Charles Ellson wrote: On Tue, 22 Dec 2015 08:08:59 +0000, e27002 aurora wrote: On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 22:30:05 -0800 (PST), Offramp wrote: London Underground has secured planning permission and listed building consent from Lambeth Council to turn a park-side rotunda building near Clapham South Tube station into a new restaurant or café with exhibition space, bringing the historic Grade II World War Two shelter back to life. A café or restaurant will be created on the site, offering views over Clapham Common. Under the Rotunda, 180 steps below ground and under the Northern line tunnels, lie eight deep-level air-raid shelters that were built between 1940 and 1942. The vast tunnels are one of seven deep level networks constructed along the Northern line. It was not until 1944, when the bombing of London intensified with the use of V-1 and V-2 bombs, that the shelter was used for its intended purpose of housing up to 8,000 Londoners during air-raids. It closed after less than a year in May 1945. TfL has rented out the shelter for secure archive storage in the past. In 1998, English Heritage awarded the shelter Grade II listed status in recognition of its history, noting that it is the only deep-level shelter remaining that retains much of the original signage and is one of the few to retain many of the original bunk beds... Much better, IMHO to use it for its original purpose. To wit as part of a fast, limited stop pair quadrupling the TfL Northern Line. That wasn't the original purpose (note that Wonkypaedia fails to supply a source) rather than a "maybe" use after the war (see second sentence in "History" in :- http://www.subbrit.org.uk/rsg/featur...rs/index.html). The shelters were built near existing tube lines with access and service links to them (and possibly using earlier survey records) thus consequentially were parallel to them. The original deep Northern Line tunnels were built along te Bank branch IIRC, the ones around Clapham were built as shelters but with the idea of linking them up to the earlier tunnels post war. This was my understanding, that the various tunnels could be linked up after the war was over to provide an express line. Had the full route been intact, I suspect it would have been brought into use. The locations are probably why they haven't been brought into use as they would would in effect be four-tracking parts of the Northern and Central Lines rather than providing alternative routes as all the newer tube lines have done. I assume Crossrail wasn't able to make any use of the shelters on its route? In effect, Crossrail is an express four tracking of the Central line from Ealing Broadway to Stratford. |
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Clapham shelter to be revived
On Wed, 23 Dec 2015 01:01:38 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
wrote: Charles Ellson wrote: On Tue, 22 Dec 2015 21:12:06 +0000, Scott wrote: On Tue, 22 Dec 2015 20:54:26 +0000, Graeme Wall wrote: On 22/12/2015 20:48, Charles Ellson wrote: On Tue, 22 Dec 2015 08:08:59 +0000, e27002 aurora wrote: On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 22:30:05 -0800 (PST), Offramp wrote: London Underground has secured planning permission and listed building consent from Lambeth Council to turn a park-side rotunda building near Clapham South Tube station into a new restaurant or café with exhibition space, bringing the historic Grade II World War Two shelter back to life. A café or restaurant will be created on the site, offering views over Clapham Common. Under the Rotunda, 180 steps below ground and under the Northern line tunnels, lie eight deep-level air-raid shelters that were built between 1940 and 1942. The vast tunnels are one of seven deep level networks constructed along the Northern line. It was not until 1944, when the bombing of London intensified with the use of V-1 and V-2 bombs, that the shelter was used for its intended purpose of housing up to 8,000 Londoners during air-raids. It closed after less than a year in May 1945. TfL has rented out the shelter for secure archive storage in the past. In 1998, English Heritage awarded the shelter Grade II listed status in recognition of its history, noting that it is the only deep-level shelter remaining that retains much of the original signage and is one of the few to retain many of the original bunk beds... Much better, IMHO to use it for its original purpose. To wit as part of a fast, limited stop pair quadrupling the TfL Northern Line. That wasn't the original purpose (note that Wonkypaedia fails to supply a source) rather than a "maybe" use after the war (see second sentence in "History" in :- http://www.subbrit.org.uk/rsg/featur...rs/index.html). The shelters were built near existing tube lines with access and service links to them (and possibly using earlier survey records) thus consequentially were parallel to them. The original deep Northern Line tunnels were built along te Bank branch IIRC, the ones around Clapham were built as shelters but with the idea of linking them up to the earlier tunnels post war. This was my understanding, that the various tunnels could be linked up after the war was over to provide an express line. Had the full route been intact, I suspect it would have been brought into use. The locations are probably why they haven't been brought into use as they would would in effect be four-tracking parts of the Northern and Central Lines rather than providing alternative routes as all the newer tube lines have done. I assume Crossrail wasn't able to make any use of the shelters on its route? IIRC only the Chancery Lane (ex censored telephone exchange) shelter comes anywhere near and in the right alignment with Crossrail turning off toward Farringdon before it reaches it. It's possibly also not deep enough or big enough. In effect, Crossrail is an express four tracking of the Central line from Ealing Broadway to Stratford. I was having similar thoughts (although more in the style of reinstating Ealing-Southend) but looking at a map it is maybe more comparable to the post-war tube lines which have added additional combinations of routes across London with little parallel running. |
Clapham shelter to be revived
"Aurora":
Much better, IMHO to use it for its original purpose. To wit as part of a fast, limited stop pair quadrupling the TfL Northern Line. Charles Ellson: That wasn't the original purpose (note that Wonkypaedia fails to supply a source) rather than a "maybe" use after the war... Graeme Wall: The original deep Northern Line tunnels were built along te Bank branch IIRC, the ones around Clapham were built as shelters but with the idea of linking them up to the earlier tunnels post war. "Scott": This was my understanding, that the various tunnels could be linked up after the war was over to provide an express line. Had the full route been intact, I suspect it would have been brought into use. Yes, the *purpose* of building the deep tunnels was to provide air-raid shelters. The *locations* were chosen so that they could be linked up, if later warranted, for new express tube tracks following the Northern and the Central Line. From "Rails through the Clay" (2nd edition, pages 250 and 273): # Another idea brought back from the 1936 visit to New York was # that of building express tube lines parallel to the most congested # sections. These new lines were proposed from Liverpool Street to # Marble Arch on the Central Line (with stations at Bank and Oxford # Circus) and between Archway (then Highgate) and Tottenham Court # Road on the Northern Line (without intermediate stations). It was # also proposed to provide a branch from Baker Street (Bakerloo) # to Victoria with one intermediate station at Bond Street and a # 'Camden Town' type junction at Baker Street. # # There would have been through-running connections with the existing # lines at each end of the express sections, and convenient same-level # interchange between the fast and slow lines at the common stations. # On the Central line, the express stations and all those on the # eastern extension would have held 10-car trains, avoiding the # need to lengthen the existing Central line platforms for more than # six cars. ... # The bombings of 1940, and intelligence reports of more powerful # bombs and more efficient delivery systems, forced a reappraisal # of the deep-shelter policy. At the end of October the government # decided to construct a system of deep shelters linked to existing # tube stations. London Transport was consulted about the sites, # and was required to build the tunnels at the public expense, # with the understanding that it was to have the option of taking # them over for railway use after the war. With the latter point # in mind, sites were examined on routes of possible north-south # and east-west express tube railways, as discussed in the previous # chapter, but now comprising Bank-Holborn, Camden Town - Tottenham # Court Road and Kennington-Balham. The shelter tunnels are 16'6" in diameter, and thus would have become running tunnels, not stations, if they had ever been linked up. -- Mark Brader | "...all these superheroes really have the same super-power: Toronto | they have the writer(s) on their side." | --Mark Leeper My text in this article is in the public domain. |
Clapham shelter to be revived
In message , at 04:06:26 on
Wed, 23 Dec 2015, Charles Ellson remarked: I assume Crossrail wasn't able to make any use of the shelters on its route? IIRC only the Chancery Lane (ex censored telephone exchange) shelter comes anywhere near and in the right alignment with Crossrail turning off toward Farringdon before it reaches it. It's possibly also not deep enough or big enough. More information at: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingsw...phone_exchange -- Roland Perry |
Clapham shelter to be revived
Off-topic - about telephone exchanges. I was wondering what goes on inside them nowadays. I walked past a big one on the London Road in Mitcham yesterday. Some of its windows were open so I suppose somebody was in there, although the door looks very unused. In this modern day-and-age are huge physical, mechanical buildings needed to process telephone calls?
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In message , at 07:59:59 on
Wed, 23 Dec 2015, e27002 aurora remarked: IUI the shelters were built as running tunnels adjacent to Northern Line Stations that would NOT be served by the express trains. That makes sense, given that one of the more well-known ones is at Goodge Street. -- Roland Perry |
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On 2015\12\23 08:22, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 07:59:59 on Wed, 23 Dec 2015, e27002 aurora remarked: IUI the shelters were built as running tunnels adjacent to Northern Line Stations that would NOT be served by the express trains. That makes sense, given that one of the more well-known ones is at Goodge Street. Although it's a little surprising that Camden Town would not have had an express stop. |
Clapham shelter to be revived
My original reply seems to have been swallowed by the internet, but basically I suggested having a gander at http://alondoninheritance.com/london...ing-for-peace/
....it's a great piece and has maps showing what was intended, including what later became the Victoria line and proto-CR2. |
Clapham shelter to be revived
And every time I see this subject line I think "Cabman's Shelter" though
there is no longer one in Clapham https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cabmen's_Shelter_Fund http://www.cabbieblog.com/green-cab-shelters/ 1879 Clapham Common == -- Mike D |
Clapham shelter to be revived
On Fri, 25 Dec 2015 21:37:32 -0000, "Michael R N Dolbear"
wrote: And every time I see this subject line I think "Cabman's Shelter" though there is no longer one in Clapham https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cabmen's_Shelter_Fund http://www.cabbieblog.com/green-cab-shelters/ 1879 Clapham Common Thank you. There is some history there. They are certainly cute structures. |
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On Wed, 23 Dec 2015 23:55:15 +0000, Basil Jet
wrote: On 2015\12\23 08:22, Roland Perry wrote: In message , at 07:59:59 on Wed, 23 Dec 2015, e27002 aurora remarked: IUI the shelters were built as running tunnels adjacent to Northern Line Stations that would NOT be served by the express trains. That makes sense, given that one of the more well-known ones is at Goodge Street. Although it's a little surprising that Camden Town would not have had an express stop. What was the area like at the time? -- jhk |
Clapham shelter to be revived
On Wed, 23 Dec 2015 23:55:15 +0000, Basil Jet
wrote: On 2015\12\23 08:22, Roland Perry wrote: In message , at 07:59:59 on Wed, 23 Dec 2015, e27002 aurora remarked: IUI the shelters were built as running tunnels adjacent to Northern Line Stations that would NOT be served by the express trains. That makes sense, given that one of the more well-known ones is at Goodge Street. Although it's a little surprising that Camden Town would not have had an express stop. AFIK there is no shelter @ Camden Town Station, implying that it was not excluded as an express stop. OTH Belsize Park does have a shelter. It is not had to envisage the Express service calling at Hampstead and Camden Town, missing Belsize Park and Chalk Farm. |
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On 2015\12\30 11:35, e27002 aurora wrote:
On Wed, 23 Dec 2015 23:55:15 +0000, Basil Jet wrote: On 2015\12\23 08:22, Roland Perry wrote: In message , at 07:59:59 on Wed, 23 Dec 2015, e27002 aurora remarked: IUI the shelters were built as running tunnels adjacent to Northern Line Stations that would NOT be served by the express trains. That makes sense, given that one of the more well-known ones is at Goodge Street. Although it's a little surprising that Camden Town would not have had an express stop. AFIK there is no shelter @ Camden Town Station, implying that it was not excluded as an express stop. Is this not one? |
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On Wed, 30 Dec 2015 14:41:53 +0000, Basil Jet
wrote: On 2015\12\30 11:35, e27002 aurora wrote: On Wed, 23 Dec 2015 23:55:15 +0000, Basil Jet wrote: On 2015\12\23 08:22, Roland Perry wrote: In message , at 07:59:59 on Wed, 23 Dec 2015, e27002 aurora remarked: IUI the shelters were built as running tunnels adjacent to Northern Line Stations that would NOT be served by the express trains. That makes sense, given that one of the more well-known ones is at Goodge Street. Although it's a little surprising that Camden Town would not have had an express stop. AFIK there is no shelter @ Camden Town Station, implying that it was not excluded as an express stop. Is this not one? You are correct Basil. Having checked, it is my mistake. So, maybe they planned to stop trains at Hampstead and then Euston. Camden Town is a rather surprising omission. The area was well developed by then. |
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Fri, 25 Dec 2015 08:30:31 -0800 (PST), Jamie Thompson
wrote: My original reply seems to have been swallowed by the internet, but basically I suggested having a gander at http://alondoninheritance.com/london...ing-for-peace/ ...it's a great piece and has maps showing what was intended, including what later became the Victoria line and proto-CR2. Interesting report, it contains some wonderful ideas. A little beyond the nations pocket book at the time. :-) |
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