By London's Northern Line to Battersea
 

On Thu, 31 Dec 2015 14:25:35 +0000, Basil Jet
wrote:

On 2015\12\31 12:42, wrote:
In article ,
(e27002 aurora) wrote:

On Thu, 31 Dec 2015 04:56:37 -0600,
wrote:

In article ,
(e27002 aurora) wrote:

One has to wonder where the Metropolitan Line would be today sans the
destructive forces of the LTPB, LT, LRT, and TfL.

The Metropolitan Railway was a fine organization. Would that it had
survived.

Like the Southern, with half-hourly services to every one of varied
destinations from Baker Street?

IIRC the Southern Railway aimed for 20 minute services to its suburban
stations. It was the Southern Region that reduced them to thirty
minutes.

The Metropolitan was a full service railway with staffed stations and
trains. It was a freight, livestock, and parcels carrier. It used
rolling stock suitable for the services in question.

In conjunction with the LNER many of these services could have
continued. Certainly over time it would have evolved into a modern
suburban railway.

My point precisely. Not a metro that it now is.


I don't know what point you're making. What's the difference between a
metro and a suburban railway? Which is better?

Its horses for courses. Metro is very high frequency service
interval, basic seating, and more doors maybe three pairs per car.

Suburban trains maybe less frequent, accommodate less standees, and
have more passenger amenities. Cars may only have two pairs of doors.

But, the variations are infinite. They can certainly share tracks.
The Metropolitan ran an intense service on the Circle Line and a
Suburban service to Aylesbury. The Met. Also had rural branches.
Hybrid trains are also possible. Search for "North Shore Line" and
Electroliner. Enjoy!

By London's Northern Line to Battersea
 

On Thu, 31 Dec 2015 14:25:35 +0000, Basil Jet
wrote:

On 2015\12\31 12:42, wrote:
In article ,
(e27002 aurora) wrote:

On Thu, 31 Dec 2015 04:56:37 -0600,
wrote:

In article ,
(e27002 aurora) wrote:

One has to wonder where the Metropolitan Line would be today sans the
destructive forces of the LTPB, LT, LRT, and TfL.

The Metropolitan Railway was a fine organization. Would that it had
survived.

Like the Southern, with half-hourly services to every one of varied
destinations from Baker Street?

IIRC the Southern Railway aimed for 20 minute services to its suburban
stations. It was the Southern Region that reduced them to thirty
minutes.

The Metropolitan was a full service railway with staffed stations and
trains. It was a freight, livestock, and parcels carrier. It used
rolling stock suitable for the services in question.

In conjunction with the LNER many of these services could have
continued. Certainly over time it would have evolved into a modern
suburban railway.

My point precisely. Not a metro that it now is.


I don't know what point you're making. What's the difference between a
metro and a suburban railway? Which is better?

Corrected version.

Its horses for courses. Metro is very high frequency service
interval, basic seating, and more doors maybe three pairs per car.

Suburban trains maybe less frequent, accommodate less standees, and
have more passenger amenities. Cars may only have two pairs of doors.

But, the variations are infinite. They can certainly share tracks.
The Metropolitan ran an intense service on the Circle Line and a
Suburban service to Aylesbury. The Met. Also had rural branches.
Hybrid trains are also possible. Search for "North Shore Line" and
Electroliner. Enjoy!

By London's Northern Line to Battersea
 

wrote:
In article ,
(e27002 aurora) wrote:

One has to wonder where the Metropolitan Line would be today sans the
destructive forces of the LTPB, LT, LRT, and TfL.

The Metropolitan Railway was a fine organization. Would that it had
survived.

Like the Southern, with half-hourly services to every one of varied
destinations from Baker Street?


Ah, but you could have paid extra to get antimacassars on your seats!

By Northern Line to Battersea
 

tim..... wrote:


"Basil Jet" wrote in message
...
On 2015\12\28 22:51, Recliner wrote:
wrote:
On Thu, 24 Dec 2015 14:25:15 +0000
Basil Jet wrote:
I notice that "Nine Elms" roundels have gone up all over the
hoarding surrounding the former Sainsburys opposite Wilcox
Road.

Boris has also ceremonially started a conveyor belt from the
Battersea station site to the Thames.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcjSnzw38iI

Maybe they should have just built a two way conveyor from
Battersea to Vauxhall and then we wouldn't need the railway
;-)

I wonder if when that extension is built and the line is
operationally split in 2 whether one half of the line will be
given a new name or whether it'll still all be known as the
northern line?

The extension is certainly being built and will open in 2020, but
the line won't be split into two for some years (if at all). The
split requires the rebuilding of Camden Town station.


So Morden will just lose, what, a third of its peak service?

Morden terminus can't cope with the peak service anyway

some have to be turned at Tooting

No they don't (unless there is disruption). It is not practical to have
regular Tooting reversers in the peak due to the time it takes to empty
out the train before heading into the siding.

Peter Smyth

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On Thu, 31 Dec 2015 16:15:39 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
wrote:

wrote:
In article ,
(e27002 aurora) wrote:

One has to wonder where the Metropolitan Line would be today sans the
destructive forces of the LTPB, LT, LRT, and TfL.

The Metropolitan Railway was a fine organization. Would that it had
survived.

Like the Southern, with half-hourly services to every one of varied
destinations from Baker Street?

Ah, but you could have paid extra to get antimacassars on your seats!

The Met even had a pair oc Pullmans,

By London's Northern Line to Battersea
 

Christopher A. Lee wrote:
On Thu, 31 Dec 2015 16:15:39 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
wrote:

wrote:
In article ,
(e27002 aurora) wrote:

One has to wonder where the Metropolitan Line would be today sans the
destructive forces of the LTPB, LT, LRT, and TfL.

The Metropolitan Railway was a fine organization. Would that it had
survived.

Like the Southern, with half-hourly services to every one of varied
destinations from Baker Street?

Ah, but you could have paid extra to get antimacassars on your seats!

The Met even had a pair oc Pullmans,

That was then, and this is now.

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On Thu, 31 Dec 2015 09:59:11 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
wrote:
Yes we have been through this before and I never saw a convincing argument
against it. The large amount of relative movement is not an issue for
mainline stock so I see no reason why it would be for tube stock which is
just 9 inches narrower. As for the open gangway being too narrow - it would
be the same width and height as the current door areas so your logic is
faulty.

Rubbish. The current doorways aren't aligned except when the trains are
running on straight and level track

Sorry? No idea wtf you're talking about there.


Unless you can come up with a sensible reason against it then perhaps don't
comment on it at all.

That's excellent advice for you, as would getting a better memory. Note
that tube lines have tighter curves than main lines. You only seem to

Yes, the sub surface lines do have tight curves which would obviously mean
no walk through trains on there. Oh , wait...

Oddly enough the Paris metro which has equally tight curves also manages it
without using articulated stock. And the carriages are just as narrow as
a deep level tube train.

travel on the Victoria line, but perhaps you should live dangerously and
take a ride on the Piccadilly and Central lines one day.

FYI I commute on the piccadilly every day. One is allowed to use more than
1 line you know.

But as you obviously think you know so much more about this topic than
qualified engineers, professional train designers and TfL, why don't you

No, I've simply seen what the engineers have done elsewhere.

get a pay rise from being a contract programmer by selling your great
expertise to them?

I actually worked on backend systems for some of the very first travelcard
ticketing systems for newagents back in the mid 90s when newsagents could
sell you a paper ticket.

--
Spud

By Londons Northern Line to Battersea
 

On 2015\12\29 12:43, Basil Jet wrote:
On 2015\12\29 12:39, Basil Jet wrote:
On 2015\12\29 11:18, e27002 aurora wrote:
On Tue, 29 Dec 2015 03:00:52 +0000, Basil Jet
wrote:

On 2015\12\28 22:51, Recliner wrote:
wrote:
On Thu, 24 Dec 2015 14:25:15 +0000
Basil Jet wrote:
I notice that "Nine Elms" roundels have gone up all over the
hoarding
surrounding the former Sainsburys opposite Wilcox Road.

Boris has also ceremonially started a conveyor belt from the
Battersea
station site to the Thames.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcjSnzw38iI

Maybe they should have just built a two way conveyor from
Battersea to
Vauxhall and then we wouldn't need the railway ;-)

I wonder if when that extension is built and the line is
operationally split
in 2 whether one half of the line will be given a new name or
whether it'll
still all be known as the northern line?

The extension is certainly being built and will open in 2020, but
the line
won't be split into two for some years (if at all). The split
requires the
rebuilding of Camden Town station.


So Morden will just lose, what, a third of its peak service?

One presumes the trains that currently terminate at Kennington will
proceed onto the new branch.

slaps forehead composes himself I knew that. I was just testing.

Actually, the map on the TfL site says otherwise.
https://tfl.gov.uk/travel-informatio...line-extension


But what you're saying makes more sense than their map.

"When the extension opens, two-thirds of Charing Cross branch trains
will continue to Battersea giving 16 trains an hour, with the remainder
continuing to turn on the Kennington loop or going on to Morden."

http://www.lurs.org.uk/articles13_ht...ATT ERSEA.pdf


Judging by
http://content.tfl.gov.uk/nle-twa-de...ctions-a14.pdf
,the part of the loop between the exit for Battersea and the entrance
from Battersea will only be long enough for one train. I suppose that's
enough!

By London Northern Line to Battersea
 

On 29/12/2015 11:15, e27002 aurora wrote:
On Mon, 28 Dec 2015 21:05:52 GMT, d wrote:

On Thu, 24 Dec 2015 14:25:15 +0000
Basil Jet wrote:
I notice that "Nine Elms" roundels have gone up all over the hoarding
surrounding the former Sainsburys opposite Wilcox Road.

Boris has also ceremonially started a conveyor belt from the Battersea
station site to the Thames. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcjSnzw38iI

Maybe they should have just built a two way conveyor from Battersea to
Vauxhall and then we wouldn't need the railway ;-)

I wonder if when that extension is built and the line is operationally split
in 2 whether one half of the line will be given a new name or whether it'll
still all be known as the northern line?

Logically two independent lines should have two names. Independent
from a customer facing standpoint that is. It would be no surprise if
they still exchanged empty stock movements.

If the bits that were the "Charing Cross, Euston and Hampstead
Railway" remain together, the "Hampstead Line" has a good ring to it.

Or, how about something royal? "The Queen Elizabeth Line", "The
Charles, Prince of Wales Line", or "The Duke and Duchess of Cambridge
Line". I suspect in every day speech these would become the QE2,
Charlie, or Duchess Lines respectively. :-)

TfL could celebrate a great politician: "The Cromwell Line", "The
Winston Spencer Churchill Line", or, especially the part that includes
the Barnett Branch "The Baroness Thatcher Line".


That last one would probably make half the passengers want to puke.......

Might be better & simpler to rename everything - Line 1, Line 2, Line 3 etc.

By London Northern Line to Battersea
 

BevanPrice wrote:
On 29/12/2015 11:15, e27002 aurora wrote:
On Mon, 28 Dec 2015 21:05:52 GMT, d wrote:

On Thu, 24 Dec 2015 14:25:15 +0000
Basil Jet wrote:
I notice that "Nine Elms" roundels have gone up all over the hoarding
surrounding the former Sainsburys opposite Wilcox Road.

Boris has also ceremonially started a conveyor belt from the Battersea
station site to the Thames. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcjSnzw38iI

Maybe they should have just built a two way conveyor from Battersea to
Vauxhall and then we wouldn't need the railway ;-)

I wonder if when that extension is built and the line is operationally split
in 2 whether one half of the line will be given a new name or whether it'll
still all be known as the northern line?

Logically two independent lines should have two names. Independent
from a customer facing standpoint that is. It would be no surprise if
they still exchanged empty stock movements.

If the bits that were the "Charing Cross, Euston and Hampstead
Railway" remain together, the "Hampstead Line" has a good ring to it.

Or, how about something royal? "The Queen Elizabeth Line", "The
Charles, Prince of Wales Line", or "The Duke and Duchess of Cambridge
Line". I suspect in every day speech these would become the QE2,
Charlie, or Duchess Lines respectively. :-)

TfL could celebrate a great politician: "The Cromwell Line", "The
Winston Spencer Churchill Line", or, especially the part that includes
the Barnett Branch "The Baroness Thatcher Line".


That last one would probably make half the passengers want to puke.......

Might be better & simpler to rename everything - Line 1, Line 2, Line 3 etc.

Yes, that would be my preference. But if not, the traditional method of
naming Tube lines based on the original end points makes sense. We
certainly don't want them named after politicians, or royals.

By London's Northern Line to Battersea
 

On 2015\12\30 10:40, e27002 aurora wrote:
On Tue, 29 Dec 2015 15:54:23 +0000, Basil Jet
wrote:

On 2015\12\29 12:01, Basil Jet wrote:
I'd be happy for the line that links Highgate with the City to be called
the Whittington Line, although there is already a line starting with W.

Alternatively the Stane Street Line, since it follows the Roman road of
that name from Colliers Wood to London Bridge.

Does not exactly have a pleasing ring, does it?

How about the Nonsuch Line? I know it doesn't reach Nonsuch Park, but it
is heading in the right direction.

By Londons Northern Line to Battersea
 

On 2016\01\01 05:50, Steve Hayes wrote:
On Thu, 31 Dec 2015 17:48:09 +0000, Basil Jet
wrote:

On 2015\12\29 12:43, Basil Jet wrote:
"When the extension opens, two-thirds of Charing Cross branch trains
will continue to Battersea giving 16 trains an hour, with the remainder
continuing to turn on the Kennington loop or going on to Morden."

So, by analogy with the Bakerloo line, why not call it the Barnden
line or the Mornet line?

And then the Battersea branch could be the Barnsea or Batternet line.

.... Batterware. (The lines will be split so that Golders Green Depot and
Morden Depot get a line each).

By London's Northern Line to Battersea
 

On Thu, 31 Dec 2015 14:33:48 +0000, wrote:

On Thu, 31 Dec 2015 11:33:29 +0000, e27002 aurora
wrote:



The Metropolitan Railway was a fine organization. Would that it had
survived.



The Metropolitan was a full service railway with staffed stations and
trains. It was a freight, livestock, and parcels carrier. It used
rolling stock suitable for the services in question.

All those services will have dwindled away post WW2 to more efficient
road distribution for the relatively small area it served.

Quite so. But, in 1935 the Metropolitan lost its ability to evolve as
a Railway and Property company. The LPTB stripped its assets and
reduced it to an "Underground" style line with indecent haste.

No thought was given to how parts of the Metropolitan Network outwith
London's immediate environs could be utilized. A joint LNER LMS
service from Marylebone to Banbury thru Verney Junction would have
maintained the local links thru the County of Buckingham.

In conjunction with the LNER many of these services could have
continued.
They didn't elsewhere so why should the outskirts of London be any
different , at least in other areas Container and mineral traffic in
bulk provided some freight revenue on the British Network but In don't
think there would ever be a need for intermodals or bulk freight
movements in to Harrow or Baker street.

Had it survived it would have gone to Marylebone. But you are 15
years into the post Metropolitan Railway future.


Certainly over time it would have evolved into a modern
suburban railway.


In that case a business with nothing else but intense passenger
operation with the need for expensive capital assets to handle the
morning and evening passenger flows which are then underutilized for
the rest of the time so to it needs subsidising by outside means.
Whether the Met could still make a sufficient return to investors as a
whole railway or just as a TOC running on government* owned tracks we
will never know.

Indeed, having survived municipalization the Metropolitan would,
probably as part of BR, face Barbara Castle. So, this is a no win
situation.

In today's conditions with many more passengers traveling even outside
the peaks then possibly, but in the 50's 60's 70' and into the 80's
trains in mid morning would be fairly empty.

Indeed.


* not necessarily the national government, could be whatever was
governing London.
in that case could the Met have shrunk back further than Amersham.

That may yet happen. It is not hard to see a future were the Met Line
runs to Watford and Chiltern take over the service to Amersham and
Chesham.

By London's Northern Line to Battersea
 

On Thu, 31 Dec 2015 20:23:11 +0000, BevanPrice
wrote:

On 29/12/2015 11:15, e27002 aurora wrote:
On Mon, 28 Dec 2015 21:05:52 GMT, d wrote:

On Thu, 24 Dec 2015 14:25:15 +0000
Basil Jet wrote:
I notice that "Nine Elms" roundels have gone up all over the hoarding
surrounding the former Sainsburys opposite Wilcox Road.

Boris has also ceremonially started a conveyor belt from the Battersea
station site to the Thames. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcjSnzw38iI

Maybe they should have just built a two way conveyor from Battersea to
Vauxhall and then we wouldn't need the railway ;-)

I wonder if when that extension is built and the line is operationally split
in 2 whether one half of the line will be given a new name or whether it'll
still all be known as the northern line?

Logically two independent lines should have two names. Independent
from a customer facing standpoint that is. It would be no surprise if
they still exchanged empty stock movements.

If the bits that were the "Charing Cross, Euston and Hampstead
Railway" remain together, the "Hampstead Line" has a good ring to it.

Or, how about something royal? "The Queen Elizabeth Line", "The
Charles, Prince of Wales Line", or "The Duke and Duchess of Cambridge
Line". I suspect in every day speech these would become the QE2,
Charlie, or Duchess Lines respectively. :-)

TfL could celebrate a great politician: "The Cromwell Line", "The
Winston Spencer Churchill Line", or, especially the part that includes
the Barnett Branch "The Baroness Thatcher Line".


That last one would probably make half the passengers want to puke.......

You are believing your own leftist propaganda. Allow me to paint a
more realistic pictu
More than half of the potential users of the route just would not
care. Sad, but welcome to the modern apathetic world.

A healthy number would be happy to see the Iron Lady so honored.

A boisterous left wing minority would make a lot of obscene fuss. They
would use the methods at their disposal, vandalism, graffiti et al.
This says more about them than the great lady.

Might be better & simpler to rename everything - Line 1, Line 2, Line 3 etc.

To what advantage. There is real history behind the naming of
London's transit lines.

By London's Northern Line to Battersea
 

On 2016\01\01 09:50, e27002 aurora wrote:
On Thu, 31 Dec 2015 20:23:11 +0000, BevanPrice
wrote:

On 29/12/2015 11:15, e27002 aurora wrote:
On Mon, 28 Dec 2015 21:05:52 GMT, d wrote:

On Thu, 24 Dec 2015 14:25:15 +0000
Basil Jet wrote:
I notice that "Nine Elms" roundels have gone up all over the hoarding
surrounding the former Sainsburys opposite Wilcox Road.

Boris has also ceremonially started a conveyor belt from the Battersea
station site to the Thames. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcjSnzw38iI

Maybe they should have just built a two way conveyor from Battersea to
Vauxhall and then we wouldn't need the railway ;-)

I wonder if when that extension is built and the line is operationally split
in 2 whether one half of the line will be given a new name or whether it'll
still all be known as the northern line?

Logically two independent lines should have two names. Independent
from a customer facing standpoint that is. It would be no surprise if
they still exchanged empty stock movements.

If the bits that were the "Charing Cross, Euston and Hampstead
Railway" remain together, the "Hampstead Line" has a good ring to it.

Or, how about something royal? "The Queen Elizabeth Line", "The
Charles, Prince of Wales Line", or "The Duke and Duchess of Cambridge
Line". I suspect in every day speech these would become the QE2,
Charlie, or Duchess Lines respectively. :-)

TfL could celebrate a great politician: "The Cromwell Line", "The
Winston Spencer Churchill Line", or, especially the part that includes
the Barnett Branch "The Baroness Thatcher Line".


That last one would probably make half the passengers want to puke.......

You are believing your own leftist propaganda. Allow me to paint a
more realistic pictu
More than half of the potential users of the route just would not
care. Sad, but welcome to the modern apathetic world.

A healthy number would be happy to see the Iron Lady so honored.

A boisterous left wing minority would make a lot of obscene fuss. They
would use the methods at their disposal, vandalism, graffiti et al.
This says more about them than the great lady.

LU would be stupid to use a name which would obviously attract graffiti.

By London's Northern Line to Battersea
 

Basil Jet wrote:
On 2016\01\01 09:50, e27002 aurora wrote:
On Thu, 31 Dec 2015 20:23:11 +0000, BevanPrice
wrote:

On 29/12/2015 11:15, e27002 aurora wrote:
On Mon, 28 Dec 2015 21:05:52 GMT, d wrote:

On Thu, 24 Dec 2015 14:25:15 +0000
Basil Jet wrote:
I notice that "Nine Elms" roundels have gone up all over the hoarding
surrounding the former Sainsburys opposite Wilcox Road.

Boris has also ceremonially started a conveyor belt from the Battersea
station site to the Thames. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcjSnzw38iI

Maybe they should have just built a two way conveyor from Battersea to
Vauxhall and then we wouldn't need the railway ;-)

I wonder if when that extension is built and the line is operationally split
in 2 whether one half of the line will be given a new name or whether it'll
still all be known as the northern line?

Logically two independent lines should have two names. Independent
from a customer facing standpoint that is. It would be no surprise if
they still exchanged empty stock movements.

If the bits that were the "Charing Cross, Euston and Hampstead
Railway" remain together, the "Hampstead Line" has a good ring to it.

Or, how about something royal? "The Queen Elizabeth Line", "The
Charles, Prince of Wales Line", or "The Duke and Duchess of Cambridge
Line". I suspect in every day speech these would become the QE2,
Charlie, or Duchess Lines respectively. :-)

TfL could celebrate a great politician: "The Cromwell Line", "The
Winston Spencer Churchill Line", or, especially the part that includes
the Barnett Branch "The Baroness Thatcher Line".


That last one would probably make half the passengers want to puke.......

You are believing your own leftist propaganda. Allow me to paint a
more realistic pictu
More than half of the potential users of the route just would not
care. Sad, but welcome to the modern apathetic world.

A healthy number would be happy to see the Iron Lady so honored.

A boisterous left wing minority would make a lot of obscene fuss. They
would use the methods at their disposal, vandalism, graffiti et al.
This says more about them than the great lady.

LU would be stupid to use a name which would obviously attract graffiti.

Exactly. Better never to name lines after politicians, or better still,
people at all. I'd no more want a Thatcher line than a Livingstone line
(ignoring his extremist politics for a moment, the latter probably did more
to help LU than most politicians).

And apart from the Victoria line, which is really named after Victoria
station, rather than the queen herself, that's long been the tradition. Far
better to have anodyne, vaguely geographic names.

By London Northern Line to Battersea
 

On Thu, 31 Dec 2015 10:20:02 -0800 (PST), Jamie Thompson
wrote:

On Tuesday, 29 December 2015 12:14:06 UTC, Recliner wrote:
On Tue, 29 Dec 2015 12:11:04 +0000, e27002 aurora
wrote:

On Tue, 29 Dec 2015 12:01:26 +0000, Basil Jet
wrote:

On 2015\12\29 11:15, e27002 aurora wrote:
On Mon, 28 Dec 2015 21:05:52 GMT, d wrote:

On Thu, 24 Dec 2015 14:25:15 +0000
Basil Jet wrote:
I notice that "Nine Elms" roundels have gone up all over the hoarding
surrounding the former Sainsburys opposite Wilcox Road.

Boris has also ceremonially started a conveyor belt from the Battersea
station site to the Thames. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcjSnzw38iI

Maybe they should have just built a two way conveyor from Battersea to
Vauxhall and then we wouldn't need the railway ;-)

I wonder if when that extension is built and the line is operationally split
in 2 whether one half of the line will be given a new name or whether it'll
still all be known as the northern line?

Logically two independent lines should have two names. Independent
from a customer facing standpoint that is. It would be no surprise if
they still exchanged empty stock movements.

If the bits that were the "Charing Cross, Euston and Hampstead
Railway" remain together, the "Hampstead Line" has a good ring to it.

Sounds too similar to the Hammersmith line. While I'm here, I wish
they'd rename the H&C the Hammercity Line. Or anything but H&C, really.

Now that the Circle is a Tea Cup, the Hammersmith and City is no
longer needed. Why not replace it with a Metropolitan service from
Uxbridge to Barking?

Because they wanted the extra services to Hammersmith, but there isn't
enough capacity on the southern side of the Circle for more Circle
line trains. Also, the H&C stations to Barking may not be long enough
for S8 trains.

Surely it is not beyond the wit of man to extend some platforms?

But this is the wit of TfL we discuss.

In point of fact only the busiest stations would need there platforms
lengthened one car length. Given that many of these stations are
joint TfL NR/C2C one wonders how short these platforms are.

Less busy stations could be handled with SDO.

By London Northern Line to Battersea
 

e27002 aurora wrote:
On Thu, 31 Dec 2015 10:20:02 -0800 (PST), Jamie Thompson
wrote:

On Tuesday, 29 December 2015 12:14:06 UTC, Recliner wrote:
On Tue, 29 Dec 2015 12:11:04 +0000, e27002 aurora
wrote:

On Tue, 29 Dec 2015 12:01:26 +0000, Basil Jet
wrote:

On 2015\12\29 11:15, e27002 aurora wrote:
On Mon, 28 Dec 2015 21:05:52 GMT, d wrote:

On Thu, 24 Dec 2015 14:25:15 +0000
Basil Jet wrote:
I notice that "Nine Elms" roundels have gone up all over the hoarding
surrounding the former Sainsburys opposite Wilcox Road.

Boris has also ceremonially started a conveyor belt from the Battersea
station site to the Thames. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcjSnzw38iI

Maybe they should have just built a two way conveyor from Battersea to
Vauxhall and then we wouldn't need the railway ;-)

I wonder if when that extension is built and the line is operationally split
in 2 whether one half of the line will be given a new name or whether it'll
still all be known as the northern line?

Logically two independent lines should have two names. Independent
from a customer facing standpoint that is. It would be no surprise if
they still exchanged empty stock movements.

If the bits that were the "Charing Cross, Euston and Hampstead
Railway" remain together, the "Hampstead Line" has a good ring to it.

Sounds too similar to the Hammersmith line. While I'm here, I wish
they'd rename the H&C the Hammercity Line. Or anything but H&C, really.

Now that the Circle is a Tea Cup, the Hammersmith and City is no
longer needed. Why not replace it with a Metropolitan service from
Uxbridge to Barking?

Because they wanted the extra services to Hammersmith, but there isn't
enough capacity on the southern side of the Circle for more Circle
line trains. Also, the H&C stations to Barking may not be long enough
for S8 trains.

Surely it is not beyond the wit of man to extend some platforms?

But this is the wit of TfL we discuss.

In point of fact only the busiest stations would need there platforms
lengthened one car length. Given that many of these stations are
joint TfL NR/C2C one wonders how short these platforms are.

Less busy stations could be handled with SDO.

Instead of attacking TfL all the time, perhaps you'd care to explain the
benefits of your barking idea of sending S8 trains to Barking?

And while SDO is just about OK for dealing with the last one or two sets of
doors off the platforms at quiet stations, the idea of having whole
carriages not on the platform on a busy metro packed with many foreign
visitors is ludicrous when those stations are already served by trains
designed for them.

Also, did you know that there isn't some magic pool of redundant S8 trains
waiting to be deployed on lines with short platforms? There are, however,
S7 trains designed for them.

We know you're personally familiar with the concept of bankruptcy, and
perhaps with these pointless, profligate ideas, we can see why.

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On Thu, 31 Dec 2015 18:26:22 +0000, Martin Coffee
wrote:

On 31/12/15 18:20, Jamie Thompson wrote:
On Tuesday, 29 December 2015 12:14:06 UTC, Recliner wrote:
On Tue, 29 Dec 2015 12:11:04 +0000, e27002 aurora
wrote:

Now that the Circle is a Tea Cup, the Hammersmith and City is no
longer needed. Why not replace it with a Metropolitan service from
Uxbridge to Barking?

Because they wanted the extra services to Hammersmith, but there isn't
enough capacity on the southern side of the Circle for more Circle
line trains. Also, the H&C stations to Barking may not be long enough
for S8 trains.

Surely it is not beyond the wit of man to extend some platforms?

Haven't they built the new trains with selective door opening? Surely
they've haven't made that mistake again?

One hopes not. Having lengthened the busiest stations, SDO could
handle this issue at the less busy. This could be done in one of two
ways:

1. The TfL Northern Line model were the front most and rearmost doors
remain closed. Passengers in those cars have to move thru to an
available pair of doors. Or,

2. The SWT were an announcement makes it clear that passengers wishing
to exit at the next station must be in the front seven cars. The
doors of the rear car will not open.

By London's Northern Line to Battersea
 

e27002 aurora wrote:
On Thu, 31 Dec 2015 18:26:22 +0000, Martin Coffee
wrote:

On 31/12/15 18:20, Jamie Thompson wrote:
On Tuesday, 29 December 2015 12:14:06 UTC, Recliner wrote:
On Tue, 29 Dec 2015 12:11:04 +0000, e27002 aurora
wrote:

Now that the Circle is a Tea Cup, the Hammersmith and City is no
longer needed. Why not replace it with a Metropolitan service from
Uxbridge to Barking?

Because they wanted the extra services to Hammersmith, but there isn't
enough capacity on the southern side of the Circle for more Circle
line trains. Also, the H&C stations to Barking may not be long enough
for S8 trains.

Surely it is not beyond the wit of man to extend some platforms?

Haven't they built the new trains with selective door opening? Surely
they've haven't made that mistake again?

One hopes not.

You don't have to hope. Why don't you simply travel on the trains in
question and see what they already do?

Having lengthened the busiest stations, SDO could
handle this issue at the less busy. This could be done in one of two
ways:

1. The TfL Northern Line model were the front most and rearmost doors
remain closed. Passengers in those cars have to move thru to an
available pair of doors.

It would appear that you've not actually travelled on the S7 trains that
already do this?

Or,

2. The SWT were an announcement makes it clear that passengers wishing
to exit at the next station must be in the front seven cars. The
doors of the rear car will not open.

Apart from you, how many foreigners with little English travel on SWT
trains?

By London's Northern Line to Battersea
 

In article ,
(e27002 aurora) wrote:

On Thu, 31 Dec 2015 14:33:48 +0000, wrote:

* not necessarily the national government, could be whatever was
governing London.
in that case could the Met have shrunk back further than Amersham.

That may yet happen. It is not hard to see a future were the Met Line
runs to Watford and Chiltern take over the service to Amersham and
Chesham.

Which will soon be to Milton Keynes of course.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

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wrote:
In article ,
(e27002 aurora) wrote:

On Thu, 31 Dec 2015 14:33:48 +0000, wrote:

* not necessarily the national government, could be whatever was
governing London.
in that case could the Met have shrunk back further than Amersham.

That may yet happen. It is not hard to see a future were the Met Line
runs to Watford and Chiltern take over the service to Amersham and
Chesham.

Which will soon be to Milton Keynes of course.

Probably not 'soon' by any normal definition. Also, I'm not sure if the
infrequent trains that go to Bletchley will be the ones that go via the
Amersham route.

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In message
-septe
mber.org, at 10:12:52 on Fri, 1 Jan 2016, Recliner
remarked:

And apart from the Victoria line, which is really named after Victoria
station, rather than the queen herself, that's long been the tradition. Far
better to have anodyne, vaguely geographic names.

Where's the vague geographic location of 'the Jubilee'?
--
Roland Perry

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On Fri, 1 Jan 2016 09:59:36 +0000, Basil Jet
wrote:

On 2016\01\01 09:50, e27002 aurora wrote:
On Thu, 31 Dec 2015 20:23:11 +0000, BevanPrice
wrote:

On 29/12/2015 11:15, e27002 aurora wrote:
On Mon, 28 Dec 2015 21:05:52 GMT, d wrote:

On Thu, 24 Dec 2015 14:25:15 +0000
Basil Jet wrote:
I notice that "Nine Elms" roundels have gone up all over the hoarding
surrounding the former Sainsburys opposite Wilcox Road.

Boris has also ceremonially started a conveyor belt from the Battersea
station site to the Thames. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcjSnzw38iI

Maybe they should have just built a two way conveyor from Battersea to
Vauxhall and then we wouldn't need the railway ;-)

I wonder if when that extension is built and the line is operationally split
in 2 whether one half of the line will be given a new name or whether it'll
still all be known as the northern line?

Logically two independent lines should have two names. Independent
from a customer facing standpoint that is. It would be no surprise if
they still exchanged empty stock movements.

If the bits that were the "Charing Cross, Euston and Hampstead
Railway" remain together, the "Hampstead Line" has a good ring to it.

Or, how about something royal? "The Queen Elizabeth Line", "The
Charles, Prince of Wales Line", or "The Duke and Duchess of Cambridge
Line". I suspect in every day speech these would become the QE2,
Charlie, or Duchess Lines respectively. :-)

TfL could celebrate a great politician: "The Cromwell Line", "The
Winston Spencer Churchill Line", or, especially the part that includes
the Barnett Branch "The Baroness Thatcher Line".


That last one would probably make half the passengers want to puke.......

You are believing your own leftist propaganda. Allow me to paint a
more realistic pictu
More than half of the potential users of the route just would not
care. Sad, but welcome to the modern apathetic world.

A healthy number would be happy to see the Iron Lady so honored.

A boisterous left wing minority would make a lot of obscene fuss. They
would use the methods at their disposal, vandalism, graffiti et al.
This says more about them than the great lady.

LU would be stupid to use a name which would obviously attract graffiti.


Superficially you have a point Basil. But, why should conservatives
only see the names of leftist "heroes" honoured, and not our own,
merely because we do not resort to illegal and antisocial tactics.

Let's take your point a step further: why fight Islamic State, doing
so may bring about more terrorists attacks in Europe and North
America.

Never let the scum win.

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Roland Perry wrote:
In message
-septe
mber.org, at 10:12:52 on Fri, 1 Jan 2016, Recliner
remarked:

And apart from the Victoria line, which is really named after Victoria
station, rather than the queen herself, that's long been the tradition. Far
better to have anodyne, vaguely geographic names.

Where's the vague geographic location of 'the Jubilee'?

Well, it did start out as the Fleet line... Of course, once it got
re-routed, that name was no longer appropriate, but I still think it was a
better name.

By London's Northern Line to Battersea
 

In article ,
(e27002 aurora) wrote:

On Fri, 1 Jan 2016 09:59:36 +0000, Basil Jet
wrote:

On 2016\01\01 09:50, e27002 aurora wrote:
On Thu, 31 Dec 2015 20:23:11 +0000, BevanPrice
wrote:

On 29/12/2015 11:15, e27002 aurora wrote:
On Mon, 28 Dec 2015 21:05:52 GMT, d
wrote:

On Thu, 24 Dec 2015 14:25:15 +0000
Basil Jet wrote:
I notice that "Nine Elms" roundels have gone up all over the
hoarding surrounding the former Sainsburys opposite Wilcox Road.

Boris has also ceremonially started a conveyor belt from the
Battersea station site to the Thames.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcjSnzw38iI

Maybe they should have just built a two way conveyor from Battersea
to Vauxhall and then we wouldn't need the railway ;-)

I wonder if when that extension is built and the line is
operationally split in 2 whether one half of the line will be given
a new name or whether it'll still all be known as the northern line?

Logically two independent lines should have two names. Independent
from a customer facing standpoint that is. It would be no surprise
if they still exchanged empty stock movements.

If the bits that were the "Charing Cross, Euston and Hampstead
Railway" remain together, the "Hampstead Line" has a good ring to it.

Or, how about something royal? "The Queen Elizabeth Line", "The
Charles, Prince of Wales Line", or "The Duke and Duchess of Cambridge
Line". I suspect in every day speech these would become the QE2,
Charlie, or Duchess Lines respectively. :-)

TfL could celebrate a great politician: "The Cromwell Line", "The
Winston Spencer Churchill Line", or, especially the part that
includes the Barnett Branch "The Baroness Thatcher Line".


That last one would probably make half the passengers want to
puke.......

You are believing your own leftist propaganda. Allow me to paint a
more realistic pictu
More than half of the potential users of the route just would not
care. Sad, but welcome to the modern apathetic world.

A healthy number would be happy to see the Iron Lady so honored.

A boisterous left wing minority would make a lot of obscene fuss. They
would use the methods at their disposal, vandalism, graffiti et al.
This says more about them than the great lady.

LU would be stupid to use a name which would obviously attract graffiti.

Superficially you have a point Basil. But, why should conservatives
only see the names of leftist "heroes" honoured, and not our own,
merely because we do not resort to illegal and antisocial tactics.

Let's take your point a step further: why fight Islamic State, doing
so may bring about more terrorists attacks in Europe and North
America.

Never let the scum win.

We very rarely name public facilities after party politicians. Things (e.g.
the Cambridge college) have been named after Churchill precisely because he
is seen as a national saviour, above party politics. Perception is all of
course. Nobody has suggested naming anything after Wilson either and he's a
less controversial figure than Thatcher.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

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On Fri, 01 Jan 2016 05:01:54 -0600,
wrote:

In article ,
(e27002 aurora) wrote:

On Fri, 1 Jan 2016 09:59:36 +0000, Basil Jet
wrote:

On 2016\01\01 09:50, e27002 aurora wrote:
On Thu, 31 Dec 2015 20:23:11 +0000, BevanPrice
wrote:

On 29/12/2015 11:15, e27002 aurora wrote:
On Mon, 28 Dec 2015 21:05:52 GMT, d
wrote:

On Thu, 24 Dec 2015 14:25:15 +0000
Basil Jet wrote:
I notice that "Nine Elms" roundels have gone up all over the
hoarding surrounding the former Sainsburys opposite Wilcox Road.

Boris has also ceremonially started a conveyor belt from the
Battersea station site to the Thames.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcjSnzw38iI

Maybe they should have just built a two way conveyor from Battersea
to Vauxhall and then we wouldn't need the railway ;-)

I wonder if when that extension is built and the line is
operationally split in 2 whether one half of the line will be given
a new name or whether it'll still all be known as the northern line?

Logically two independent lines should have two names. Independent
from a customer facing standpoint that is. It would be no surprise
if they still exchanged empty stock movements.

If the bits that were the "Charing Cross, Euston and Hampstead
Railway" remain together, the "Hampstead Line" has a good ring to it.

Or, how about something royal? "The Queen Elizabeth Line", "The
Charles, Prince of Wales Line", or "The Duke and Duchess of Cambridge
Line". I suspect in every day speech these would become the QE2,
Charlie, or Duchess Lines respectively. :-)

TfL could celebrate a great politician: "The Cromwell Line", "The
Winston Spencer Churchill Line", or, especially the part that
includes the Barnett Branch "The Baroness Thatcher Line".


That last one would probably make half the passengers want to
puke.......

You are believing your own leftist propaganda. Allow me to paint a
more realistic pictu
More than half of the potential users of the route just would not
care. Sad, but welcome to the modern apathetic world.

A healthy number would be happy to see the Iron Lady so honored.

A boisterous left wing minority would make a lot of obscene fuss. They
would use the methods at their disposal, vandalism, graffiti et al.
This says more about them than the great lady.

LU would be stupid to use a name which would obviously attract graffiti.

Superficially you have a point Basil. But, why should conservatives
only see the names of leftist "heroes" honoured, and not our own,
merely because we do not resort to illegal and antisocial tactics.

Let's take your point a step further: why fight Islamic State, doing
so may bring about more terrorists attacks in Europe and North
America.

Never let the scum win.

We very rarely name public facilities after party politicians. Things (e.g.
the Cambridge college) have been named after Churchill precisely because he
is seen as a national saviour, above party politics. Perception is all of
course. Nobody has suggested naming anything after Wilson either and he's a
less controversial figure than Thatcher.

That has much to do with media coverage. Wilson's capital controls,
prices and incomes, and high tax policies did immense damage. Brains
and capital simply left Britain.

Much of the Baronesses success was down to repairing Wilson's damage.
That is not the way the TV, Radio and the press reported it.

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In message
-septe
mber.org, at 10:21:55 on Fri, 1 Jan 2016, Recliner
remarked:
And while SDO is just about OK for dealing with the last one or two sets of
doors off the platforms at quiet stations, the idea of having whole
carriages not on the platform on a busy metro packed with many foreign
visitors is ludicrous

That's a complete non-argument. After having been caught out once, the
foreigners will avoid the end-coaches for the rest of their trip to
London. Simples.
--
Roland Perry

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In message , at 05:01:54
on Fri, 1 Jan 2016, remarked:

Nobody has suggested naming anything after Wilson either and he's a
less controversial figure than Thatcher.

Things? (Other than a street in the West Midlands)

He has the "Wilson Doctrine" of course.
--
Roland Perry

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In article , (Roland Perry)
wrote:

In message , at
05:01:54 on Fri, 1 Jan 2016, remarked:

Nobody has suggested naming anything after Wilson either and he's a
less controversial figure than Thatcher.

Things? (Other than a street in the West Midlands)

He has the "Wilson Doctrine" of course.

and there is Thatcherism to which some here seem to subscribe.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

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On 01/01/2016 09:50, e27002 aurora wrote:
On Thu, 31 Dec 2015 20:23:11 +0000, BevanPrice
wrote:

On 29/12/2015 11:15, e27002 aurora wrote:
On Mon, 28 Dec 2015 21:05:52 GMT, d
wrote:

On Thu, 24 Dec 2015 14:25:15 +0000 Basil Jet
wrote:
I notice that "Nine Elms" roundels have gone up all over the
hoarding surrounding the former Sainsburys opposite Wilcox
Road.

Boris has also ceremonially started a conveyor belt from the
Battersea station site to the Thames.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcjSnzw38iI

Maybe they should have just built a two way conveyor from
Battersea to Vauxhall and then we wouldn't need the railway
;-)

I wonder if when that extension is built and the line is
operationally split in 2 whether one half of the line will be
given a new name or whether it'll still all be known as the
northern line?

Logically two independent lines should have two names.
Independent from a customer facing standpoint that is. It would
be no surprise if they still exchanged empty stock movements.

If the bits that were the "Charing Cross, Euston and Hampstead
Railway" remain together, the "Hampstead Line" has a good ring to
it.

Or, how about something royal? "The Queen Elizabeth Line", "The
Charles, Prince of Wales Line", or "The Duke and Duchess of
Cambridge Line". I suspect in every day speech these would
become the QE2, Charlie, or Duchess Lines respectively. :-)

TfL could celebrate a great politician: "The Cromwell Line",
"The Winston Spencer Churchill Line", or, especially the part
that includes the Barnett Branch "The Baroness Thatcher Line".


That last one would probably make half the passengers want to
puke.......

You are believing your own leftist propaganda. Allow me to paint a
more realistic pictu More than half of the potential users of the
route just would not care. Sad, but welcome to the modern apathetic
world.

A healthy number would be happy to see the Iron Lady so honored.

A boisterous left wing minority would make a lot of obscene fuss.
They would use the methods at their disposal, vandalism, graffiti et
al. This says more about them than the great lady.


The she-devil whose policies in her first parliament led to unemployment
increasing (on average) by nearly 2000 jobs -- every single day ?? The
one who I saw strutting around on TV looking as if she thought she ought
to be Queen ? The one whose policies encouraged greed & selfishness ?
The one who gave her son a knighthood for "goodness knows what" services
to our country ? The one that Macmillan described as "selling the family
siver" ?

You are more than welcome to her (memory).

No - Labour wasn't perfect either. This country probably had a great PM
for only 5 years in the 20th century - Churchill during WW2, for
inspiring us to resist the evils of Hitler & co. .

But a Happy New Year to everyone here.

By London's Northern Line to Battersea
 

On 2016\01\01 10:31, Roland Perry wrote:
In message
-septe
mber.org, at 10:12:52 on Fri, 1 Jan 2016, Recliner
remarked:

And apart from the Victoria line, which is really named after Victoria
station, rather than the queen herself, that's long been the
tradition. Far
better to have anodyne, vaguely geographic names.

Where's the vague geographic location of 'the Jubilee'?

I don't know about the Jubi bit, but the Lee runs from Stratford down to
Canning Town and then flows into the Thames opposite North Greenwich.

By London's Northern Line to Battersea
 

In message , at 15:44:35 on Fri, 1 Jan 2016,
Basil Jet remarked:

Far better to have anodyne, vaguely geographic names.

Where's the vague geographic location of 'the Jubilee'?

I don't know about the Jubi bit, but the Lee runs from Stratford down
to Canning Town and then flows into the Thames opposite North Greenwich.

I think you'll finds that's the Lea (cf Leagrave the source).

Of transport interest the nearby canal has some locks where the keeper
used to answer the phone [say it quickly] Bow Locks.

Lee[1], and its station, are near Lewisham.

[1] Almost an anagram of Ely, and another of the few stations whose code
is the same as the station.
--
Roland Perry

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On 2016\01\01 15:58, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 15:44:35 on Fri, 1 Jan 2016,
Basil Jet remarked:

Far better to have anodyne, vaguely geographic names.

Where's the vague geographic location of 'the Jubilee'?

I don't know about the Jubi bit, but the Lee runs from Stratford down
to Canning Town and then flows into the Thames opposite North Greenwich.

I think you'll finds that's the Lea (cf Leagrave the source).



Either spelling is good.

By London's Northern Line to Battersea
 

On Fri, 1 Jan 2016 15:26:54 +0000, BevanPrice
wrote:

On 01/01/2016 09:50, e27002 aurora wrote:
On Thu, 31 Dec 2015 20:23:11 +0000, BevanPrice
wrote:

On 29/12/2015 11:15, e27002 aurora wrote:
On Mon, 28 Dec 2015 21:05:52 GMT, d
wrote:

On Thu, 24 Dec 2015 14:25:15 +0000 Basil Jet
wrote:
I notice that "Nine Elms" roundels have gone up all over the
hoarding surrounding the former Sainsburys opposite Wilcox
Road.

Boris has also ceremonially started a conveyor belt from the
Battersea station site to the Thames.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcjSnzw38iI

Maybe they should have just built a two way conveyor from
Battersea to Vauxhall and then we wouldn't need the railway
;-)

I wonder if when that extension is built and the line is
operationally split in 2 whether one half of the line will be
given a new name or whether it'll still all be known as the
northern line?

Logically two independent lines should have two names.
Independent from a customer facing standpoint that is. It would
be no surprise if they still exchanged empty stock movements.

If the bits that were the "Charing Cross, Euston and Hampstead
Railway" remain together, the "Hampstead Line" has a good ring to
it.

Or, how about something royal? "The Queen Elizabeth Line", "The
Charles, Prince of Wales Line", or "The Duke and Duchess of
Cambridge Line". I suspect in every day speech these would
become the QE2, Charlie, or Duchess Lines respectively. :-)

TfL could celebrate a great politician: "The Cromwell Line",
"The Winston Spencer Churchill Line", or, especially the part
that includes the Barnett Branch "The Baroness Thatcher Line".


That last one would probably make half the passengers want to
puke.......

You are believing your own leftist propaganda. Allow me to paint a
more realistic pictu More than half of the potential users of the
route just would not care. Sad, but welcome to the modern apathetic
world.

A healthy number would be happy to see the Iron Lady so honored.

A boisterous left wing minority would make a lot of obscene fuss.
They would use the methods at their disposal, vandalism, graffiti et
al. This says more about them than the great lady.


The she-devil

There's a well though thru opener.

whose policies in her first parliament led to unemployment
increasing (on average) by nearly 2000 jobs -- every single day ??

If these jobs were real they would have survived. There were the
result of an inflated socialized economy. Firms that should have
failed were propped up to maintain Wilson's and Callaghan's
popularity. Most were nests of socialist dissent.

Look if you had cancer would you want the surgeon to feed it, or cut
it out?

The
one who I saw strutting around on TV looking as if she thought she ought
to be Queen ? The one whose policies encouraged greed & selfishness ?

Cite.

The one who gave her son a knighthood for "goodness knows what" services
to our country ?

She was not perfect. Did you ever consider the knighthoods Wilson
gave for favors rendered?

The one that Macmillan described as "selling the family
siver" ?

MacMillan, the man whose cabinet dragged the UK into the mud, an
embarrassment to Conservatism.

You are more than welcome to her (memory).

Thank you.

No - Labour wasn't perfect either. This country probably had a great PM
for only 5 years in the 20th century - Churchill

Almost certainly England's second greatest parliamentary leader. IMHO
Baroness Thatcher comes in @ number 4.

during WW2, for
inspiring us to resist the evils of Hitler & co. .

Well at least we agree on something. Yes, he led the UK and her
allies in the defeat of National Socialism. The other forms of
Socialism survived.

But a Happy New Year to everyone here.

Amen.

By London's Northern Line to Battersea
 

wrote:
On Fri, 1 Jan 2016 10:24:52 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
wrote:



2. The SWT were an announcement makes it clear that passengers wishing
to exit at the next station must be in the front seven cars. The
doors of the rear car will not open.

Apart from you, how many foreigners with little English travel on SWT
trains?

I see quite a number alighting at Salisbury station, enough that the
tourist tour bus to Stonehenge departs from the station as well the
city center.
Porstmouth has a number of foreign passengers due to the cross channel
ferry services .

Yes, good examples. No SDO needed at those stations, though.

I wonder how many foreigners with poor English use the smaller stations
with short platforms where SDO is used, or whole carriages aren't
platformed?

By London's Northern Line to Battersea
 

In message , at 16:10:34 on Fri, 1 Jan 2016,
Basil Jet remarked:
Far better to have anodyne, vaguely geographic names.

Where's the vague geographic location of 'the Jubilee'?

I don't know about the Jubi bit, but the Lee runs from Stratford down
to Canning Town and then flows into the Thames opposite North Greenwich.

I think you'll finds that's the Lea (cf Leagrave the source).


4t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1s1o91VgAzLyYLhzbkd36Ivg!2e0?for ce=lite

Either spelling is good.

Even both in the same breath:

https://www.visitleevalley.org.uk/en...utdoors/walks-
walking/the-lea-valley-walk/
--
Roland Perry

By London's Northern Line to Battersea
 

On 01/01/2016 16:27, wrote:
On Fri, 1 Jan 2016 10:24:52 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
wrote:



2. The SWT were an announcement makes it clear that passengers wishing
to exit at the next station must be in the front seven cars. The
doors of the rear car will not open.

Apart from you, how many foreigners with little English travel on SWT
trains?

I see quite a number alighting at Salisbury station, enough that the
tourist tour bus to Stonehenge departs from the station as well the
city center.
Porstmouth has a number of foreign passengers due to the cross channel
ferry services .


Quite a few in Southampton as well.


--
Graeme Wall
This account not read.

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On Fri, 01 Jan 2016 16:25:21 +0000, e27002 aurora
wrote:

On Fri, 1 Jan 2016 15:26:54 +0000, BevanPrice
wrote:

On 01/01/2016 09:50, e27002 aurora wrote:
On Thu, 31 Dec 2015 20:23:11 +0000, BevanPrice
wrote:

On 29/12/2015 11:15, e27002 aurora wrote:
On Mon, 28 Dec 2015 21:05:52 GMT, d
wrote:

On Thu, 24 Dec 2015 14:25:15 +0000 Basil Jet
wrote:
I notice that "Nine Elms" roundels have gone up all over the
hoarding surrounding the former Sainsburys opposite Wilcox
Road.

Boris has also ceremonially started a conveyor belt from the
Battersea station site to the Thames.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcjSnzw38iI

Maybe they should have just built a two way conveyor from
Battersea to Vauxhall and then we wouldn't need the railway
;-)

I wonder if when that extension is built and the line is
operationally split in 2 whether one half of the line will be
given a new name or whether it'll still all be known as the
northern line?

Logically two independent lines should have two names.
Independent from a customer facing standpoint that is. It would
be no surprise if they still exchanged empty stock movements.

If the bits that were the "Charing Cross, Euston and Hampstead
Railway" remain together, the "Hampstead Line" has a good ring to
it.

Or, how about something royal? "The Queen Elizabeth Line", "The
Charles, Prince of Wales Line", or "The Duke and Duchess of
Cambridge Line". I suspect in every day speech these would
become the QE2, Charlie, or Duchess Lines respectively. :-)

TfL could celebrate a great politician: "The Cromwell Line",
"The Winston Spencer Churchill Line", or, especially the part
that includes the Barnett Branch "The Baroness Thatcher Line".


That last one would probably make half the passengers want to
puke.......

You are believing your own leftist propaganda. Allow me to paint a
more realistic pictu More than half of the potential users of the
route just would not care. Sad, but welcome to the modern apathetic
world.

A healthy number would be happy to see the Iron Lady so honored.

A boisterous left wing minority would make a lot of obscene fuss.
They would use the methods at their disposal, vandalism, graffiti et
al. This says more about them than the great lady.


The she-devil

There's a well though thru opener.

There's a well-constructed sentence ?

whose policies in her first parliament led to unemployment
increasing (on average) by nearly 2000 jobs -- every single day ??

If these jobs were real they would have survived. There were the
result of an inflated socialized economy. Firms that should have
failed were propped up to maintain Wilson's and Callaghan's
popularity. Most were nests of socialist dissent.

Government is supposed to work for the whole country not just those
who line the party pockets. Some sectors of industry (public or
private) cannot be run on purely commercial grounds and can result in
costing the country more (via unemployment benefit, consequential
costs to others etc.) if allowed to shut down rather than supported.
Thatcher shut many things down with little regard to strategic
necessity or the eventual effects on imports.

Look if you had cancer would you want the surgeon to feed it, or cut
it out?

The
one who I saw strutting around on TV looking as if she thought she ought
to be Queen ? The one whose policies encouraged greed & selfishness ?

Cite.

The one who gave her son a knighthood for "goodness knows what" services
to our country ?

She was not perfect. Did you ever consider the knighthoods Wilson
gave for favors rendered?

The one that Macmillan described as "selling the family
siver" ?

MacMillan, the man whose cabinet dragged the UK into the mud, an
embarrassment to Conservatism.

You are more than welcome to her (memory).

Thank you.

No - Labour wasn't perfect either. This country probably had a great PM
for only 5 years in the 20th century - Churchill

Almost certainly England's second greatest parliamentary leader. IMHO
Baroness Thatcher comes in @ number 4.

during WW2, for
inspiring us to resist the evils of Hitler & co. .

Well at least we agree on something. Yes, he led the UK and her
allies in the defeat of National Socialism. The other forms of
Socialism survived.

You're easily fooled by a label. There was nothing socialist about
fascism.

But a Happy New Year to everyone here.

Amen.

People who dislike Margaret Thatcher are not scum. People
who would be offended by her name being given to a tube
line are not scum. Please keep your hero-worshipping
adulation under control.