On 2015\12\29 10:43, tim..... wrote:

"Basil Jet" wrote in message
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On 2015\12\28 22:51, Recliner wrote:
wrote:
On Thu, 24 Dec 2015 14:25:15 +0000
Basil Jet wrote:
I notice that "Nine Elms" roundels have gone up all over the hoarding
surrounding the former Sainsburys opposite Wilcox Road.

Boris has also ceremonially started a conveyor belt from the Battersea
station site to the Thames.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcjSnzw38iI

Maybe they should have just built a two way conveyor from Battersea to
Vauxhall and then we wouldn't need the railway ;-)

I wonder if when that extension is built and the line is
operationally split
in 2 whether one half of the line will be given a new name or
whether it'll
still all be known as the northern line?

The extension is certainly being built and will open in 2020, but the
line
won't be split into two for some years (if at all). The split
requires the
rebuilding of Camden Town station.


So Morden will just lose, what, a third of its peak service?

Morden terminus can't cope with the peak service anyway

some have to be turned at Tooting

So Tooting will just lose, what, a third of its peak service?

On Tue, 29 Dec 2015 12:28:55 +0100, Jarle Hammen Knudsen
wrote:

On Tue, 29 Dec 2015 08:56:26 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
wrote:

Basil Jet wrote:
On 2015\12\28 22:51, Recliner wrote:
wrote:

The extension is certainly being built and will open in 2020, but the line
won't be split into two for some years (if at all). The split requires the
rebuilding of Camden Town station.


So Morden will just lose, what, a third of its peak service?

The Northern is to have a significantly larger fleet, and both branches
should have an enhanced service.

Is there spare capacity at Camden Town?

AIUI Camden Town has sufficient platform capacity. The pedestrian
tunnels are insufficient for the station's future role as an
interchange.

The upcoming rebuild will resolve that issue.

On Tue, 29 Dec 2015 11:30:51 +0000, Basil Jet
wrote:

On 2015\12\29 10:43, tim..... wrote:

"Basil Jet" wrote in message
...
On 2015\12\28 22:51, Recliner wrote:
wrote:
On Thu, 24 Dec 2015 14:25:15 +0000
Basil Jet wrote:
I notice that "Nine Elms" roundels have gone up all over the hoarding
surrounding the former Sainsburys opposite Wilcox Road.

Boris has also ceremonially started a conveyor belt from the Battersea
station site to the Thames.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcjSnzw38iI

Maybe they should have just built a two way conveyor from Battersea to
Vauxhall and then we wouldn't need the railway ;-)

I wonder if when that extension is built and the line is
operationally split
in 2 whether one half of the line will be given a new name or
whether it'll
still all be known as the northern line?

The extension is certainly being built and will open in 2020, but the
line
won't be split into two for some years (if at all). The split
requires the
rebuilding of Camden Town station.


So Morden will just lose, what, a third of its peak service?

Morden terminus can't cope with the peak service anyway

some have to be turned at Tooting

So Tooting will just lose, what, a third of its peak service?

IIRC The trains that currently turn at Kennington will proceed to
Battersea.

On Tue, 29 Dec 2015 11:30:51 +0000, Basil Jet
wrote:

On 2015\12\29 10:43, tim..... wrote:

"Basil Jet" wrote in message
...
On 2015\12\28 22:51, Recliner wrote:
wrote:
On Thu, 24 Dec 2015 14:25:15 +0000
Basil Jet wrote:
I notice that "Nine Elms" roundels have gone up all over the hoarding
surrounding the former Sainsburys opposite Wilcox Road.

Boris has also ceremonially started a conveyor belt from the Battersea
station site to the Thames.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcjSnzw38iI

Maybe they should have just built a two way conveyor from Battersea to
Vauxhall and then we wouldn't need the railway ;-)

I wonder if when that extension is built and the line is
operationally split
in 2 whether one half of the line will be given a new name or
whether it'll
still all be known as the northern line?

The extension is certainly being built and will open in 2020, but the
line
won't be split into two for some years (if at all). The split
requires the
rebuilding of Camden Town station.


So Morden will just lose, what, a third of its peak service?

Morden terminus can't cope with the peak service anyway

some have to be turned at Tooting

So Tooting will just lose, what, a third of its peak service?

As I said, the fleet is to be significantly increased, so that both
branches will get a more frequent service (of course, apart from
during the Bank rebuilding).

On 2015\12\29 11:15, e27002 aurora wrote:
On Mon, 28 Dec 2015 21:05:52 GMT, d wrote:

On Thu, 24 Dec 2015 14:25:15 +0000
Basil Jet wrote:
I notice that "Nine Elms" roundels have gone up all over the hoarding
surrounding the former Sainsburys opposite Wilcox Road.

Boris has also ceremonially started a conveyor belt from the Battersea
station site to the Thames. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcjSnzw38iI

Maybe they should have just built a two way conveyor from Battersea to
Vauxhall and then we wouldn't need the railway ;-)

I wonder if when that extension is built and the line is operationally split
in 2 whether one half of the line will be given a new name or whether it'll
still all be known as the northern line?

Logically two independent lines should have two names. Independent
from a customer facing standpoint that is. It would be no surprise if
they still exchanged empty stock movements.

If the bits that were the "Charing Cross, Euston and Hampstead
Railway" remain together, the "Hampstead Line" has a good ring to it.

Sounds too similar to the Hammersmith line. While I'm here, I wish
they'd rename the H&C the Hammercity Line. Or anything but H&C, really.

Or, how about something royal? "The Queen Elizabeth Line", "The
Charles, Prince of Wales Line", or "The Duke and Duchess of Cambridge
Line". I suspect in every day speech these would become the QE2,
Charlie, or Duchess Lines respectively. :-)

If they want something royal, how about the Annus Horribilis Line?

TfL could celebrate a great politician: "The Cromwell Line", "The
Winston Spencer Churchill Line", or, especially the part that includes
the Barnett Branch "The Baroness Thatcher Line".

TfL could remember her own history, "The Leslie William Green Line"
(Too easy to confuse with the District), "The Frank Pick Line", or
"The Charles Henry Holden Line".

We already have a Picc line.

Please spare us anymore "and City" lines.

I'd like the one that serves Goodge Street and Chalk Farm to be called
the Fitzroy Line (yes, I did mean that, not Fitzrovia Line). I'd like
Goodge Street to be renamed Fitzrovia Station at the same time, since
every map and line guide will have to be replaced anyway. I don't think
it's a good idea to have stations and lines with the same name, because
it makes questions like "Is this the Victoria Train" ambiguous when
asked about a train heading away from Victoria, but I think Fitzroy and
Fitzrovia sound different enough to prevent ambiguity. It also starts
with a different letter to any of the existing lines.

I'd be happy for the line that links Highgate with the City to be called
the Whittington Line, although there is already a line starting with W.

On Tue, 29 Dec 2015 12:01:26 +0000, Basil Jet
wrote:

On 2015\12\29 11:15, e27002 aurora wrote:
On Mon, 28 Dec 2015 21:05:52 GMT, d wrote:

On Thu, 24 Dec 2015 14:25:15 +0000
Basil Jet wrote:
I notice that "Nine Elms" roundels have gone up all over the hoarding
surrounding the former Sainsburys opposite Wilcox Road.

Boris has also ceremonially started a conveyor belt from the Battersea
station site to the Thames. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcjSnzw38iI

Maybe they should have just built a two way conveyor from Battersea to
Vauxhall and then we wouldn't need the railway ;-)

I wonder if when that extension is built and the line is operationally split
in 2 whether one half of the line will be given a new name or whether it'll
still all be known as the northern line?

Logically two independent lines should have two names. Independent
from a customer facing standpoint that is. It would be no surprise if
they still exchanged empty stock movements.

If the bits that were the "Charing Cross, Euston and Hampstead
Railway" remain together, the "Hampstead Line" has a good ring to it.

Sounds too similar to the Hammersmith line. While I'm here, I wish
they'd rename the H&C the Hammercity Line. Or anything but H&C, really.

Now that the Circle is a Tea Cup, the Hammersmith and City is no
longer needed. Why not replace it with a Metropolitan service from
Uxbridge to Barking?

On Tue, 29 Dec 2015 12:11:04 +0000, e27002 aurora
wrote:

On Tue, 29 Dec 2015 12:01:26 +0000, Basil Jet
wrote:

On 2015\12\29 11:15, e27002 aurora wrote:
On Mon, 28 Dec 2015 21:05:52 GMT, d wrote:

On Thu, 24 Dec 2015 14:25:15 +0000
Basil Jet wrote:
I notice that "Nine Elms" roundels have gone up all over the hoarding
surrounding the former Sainsburys opposite Wilcox Road.

Boris has also ceremonially started a conveyor belt from the Battersea
station site to the Thames. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcjSnzw38iI

Maybe they should have just built a two way conveyor from Battersea to
Vauxhall and then we wouldn't need the railway ;-)

I wonder if when that extension is built and the line is operationally split
in 2 whether one half of the line will be given a new name or whether it'll
still all be known as the northern line?

Logically two independent lines should have two names. Independent
from a customer facing standpoint that is. It would be no surprise if
they still exchanged empty stock movements.

If the bits that were the "Charing Cross, Euston and Hampstead
Railway" remain together, the "Hampstead Line" has a good ring to it.

Sounds too similar to the Hammersmith line. While I'm here, I wish
they'd rename the H&C the Hammercity Line. Or anything but H&C, really.

Now that the Circle is a Tea Cup, the Hammersmith and City is no
longer needed. Why not replace it with a Metropolitan service from
Uxbridge to Barking?

Because they wanted the extra services to Hammersmith, but there isn't
enough capacity on the southern side of the Circle for more Circle
line trains. Also, the H&C stations to Barking may not be long enough
for S8 trains.

On 2015\12\29 12:14, Recliner wrote:
On Tue, 29 Dec 2015 12:11:04 +0000, e27002 aurora
wrote:

Now that the Circle is a Tea Cup, the Hammersmith and City is no
longer needed. Why not replace it with a Metropolitan service from
Uxbridge to Barking?

Because they wanted the extra services to Hammersmith, but there isn't
enough capacity on the southern side of the Circle for more Circle
line trains. Also, the H&C stations to Barking may not be long enough
for S8 trains.

Indeed they aren't.

On 2015\12\29 11:51, Recliner wrote:
On Tue, 29 Dec 2015 11:30:51 +0000, Basil Jet
wrote:

On 2015\12\29 10:43, tim..... wrote:

"Basil Jet" wrote in message
...
On 2015\12\28 22:51, Recliner wrote:
wrote:
On Thu, 24 Dec 2015 14:25:15 +0000
Basil Jet wrote:
I notice that "Nine Elms" roundels have gone up all over the hoarding
surrounding the former Sainsburys opposite Wilcox Road.

Boris has also ceremonially started a conveyor belt from the Battersea
station site to the Thames.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcjSnzw38iI

Maybe they should have just built a two way conveyor from Battersea to
Vauxhall and then we wouldn't need the railway ;-)

I wonder if when that extension is built and the line is
operationally split
in 2 whether one half of the line will be given a new name or
whether it'll
still all be known as the northern line?

The extension is certainly being built and will open in 2020, but the
line
won't be split into two for some years (if at all). The split
requires the
rebuilding of Camden Town station.


So Morden will just lose, what, a third of its peak service?

Morden terminus can't cope with the peak service anyway

some have to be turned at Tooting

So Tooting will just lose, what, a third of its peak service?

As I said, the fleet is to be significantly increased, so that both
branches will get a more frequent service (of course, apart from
during the Bank rebuilding).

But surely increased frequencies are not possible until Camden is a
junction no more.

On 2015\12\29 11:18, e27002 aurora wrote:
On Tue, 29 Dec 2015 03:00:52 +0000, Basil Jet
wrote:

On 2015\12\28 22:51, Recliner wrote:
wrote:
On Thu, 24 Dec 2015 14:25:15 +0000
Basil Jet wrote:
I notice that "Nine Elms" roundels have gone up all over the hoarding
surrounding the former Sainsburys opposite Wilcox Road.

Boris has also ceremonially started a conveyor belt from the Battersea
station site to the Thames. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcjSnzw38iI

Maybe they should have just built a two way conveyor from Battersea to
Vauxhall and then we wouldn't need the railway ;-)

I wonder if when that extension is built and the line is operationally split
in 2 whether one half of the line will be given a new name or whether it'll
still all be known as the northern line?

The extension is certainly being built and will open in 2020, but the line
won't be split into two for some years (if at all). The split requires the
rebuilding of Camden Town station.


So Morden will just lose, what, a third of its peak service?

One presumes the trains that currently terminate at Kennington will
proceed onto the new branch.

slaps forehead composes himself I knew that. I was just testing.