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By Northern Line to Battersea
I notice that "Nine Elms" roundels have gone up all over the hoarding surrounding the former Sainsburys opposite Wilcox Road. Boris has also ceremonially started a conveyor belt from the Battersea station site to the Thames. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcjSnzw38iI Maybe they should have just built a two way conveyor from Battersea to Vauxhall and then we wouldn't need the railway ;-) |
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huge numbers of people are going to use this new extension to a housing development designed and priced for yuppies. It's quite possible that a travelator would have been sufficient. |
By Northern Line to Battersea
On Thu, 24 Dec 2015 14:25:15 +0000
Basil Jet wrote: I notice that "Nine Elms" roundels have gone up all over the hoarding surrounding the former Sainsburys opposite Wilcox Road. Boris has also ceremonially started a conveyor belt from the Battersea station site to the Thames. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcjSnzw38iI Maybe they should have just built a two way conveyor from Battersea to Vauxhall and then we wouldn't need the railway ;-) I wonder if when that extension is built and the line is operationally split in 2 whether one half of the line will be given a new name or whether it'll still all be known as the northern line? -- Spud |
By Northern Line to Battersea
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On Thu, 24 Dec 2015 14:25:15 +0000 Basil Jet wrote: I notice that "Nine Elms" roundels have gone up all over the hoarding surrounding the former Sainsburys opposite Wilcox Road. Boris has also ceremonially started a conveyor belt from the Battersea station site to the Thames. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcjSnzw38iI Maybe they should have just built a two way conveyor from Battersea to Vauxhall and then we wouldn't need the railway ;-) I wonder if when that extension is built and the line is operationally split in 2 whether one half of the line will be given a new name or whether it'll still all be known as the northern line? The extension is certainly being built and will open in 2020, but the line won't be split into two for some years (if at all). The split requires the rebuilding of Camden Town station. |
By Northern Line to Battersea
On 2015\12\28 22:51, Recliner wrote:
wrote: On Thu, 24 Dec 2015 14:25:15 +0000 Basil Jet wrote: I notice that "Nine Elms" roundels have gone up all over the hoarding surrounding the former Sainsburys opposite Wilcox Road. Boris has also ceremonially started a conveyor belt from the Battersea station site to the Thames. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcjSnzw38iI Maybe they should have just built a two way conveyor from Battersea to Vauxhall and then we wouldn't need the railway ;-) I wonder if when that extension is built and the line is operationally split in 2 whether one half of the line will be given a new name or whether it'll still all be known as the northern line? The extension is certainly being built and will open in 2020, but the line won't be split into two for some years (if at all). The split requires the rebuilding of Camden Town station. So Morden will just lose, what, a third of its peak service? |
By Northern Line to Battersea
Basil Jet wrote:
On 2015\12\28 22:51, Recliner wrote: wrote: On Thu, 24 Dec 2015 14:25:15 +0000 Basil Jet wrote: I notice that "Nine Elms" roundels have gone up all over the hoarding surrounding the former Sainsburys opposite Wilcox Road. Boris has also ceremonially started a conveyor belt from the Battersea station site to the Thames. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcjSnzw38iI Maybe they should have just built a two way conveyor from Battersea to Vauxhall and then we wouldn't need the railway ;-) I wonder if when that extension is built and the line is operationally split in 2 whether one half of the line will be given a new name or whether it'll still all be known as the northern line? The extension is certainly being built and will open in 2020, but the line won't be split into two for some years (if at all). The split requires the rebuilding of Camden Town station. So Morden will just lose, what, a third of its peak service? The Northern is to have a significantly larger fleet, and both branches should have an enhanced service. |
By Northern Line to Battersea
"Basil Jet" wrote in message ... On 2015\12\28 22:51, Recliner wrote: wrote: On Thu, 24 Dec 2015 14:25:15 +0000 Basil Jet wrote: I notice that "Nine Elms" roundels have gone up all over the hoarding surrounding the former Sainsburys opposite Wilcox Road. Boris has also ceremonially started a conveyor belt from the Battersea station site to the Thames. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcjSnzw38iI Maybe they should have just built a two way conveyor from Battersea to Vauxhall and then we wouldn't need the railway ;-) I wonder if when that extension is built and the line is operationally split in 2 whether one half of the line will be given a new name or whether it'll still all be known as the northern line? The extension is certainly being built and will open in 2020, but the line won't be split into two for some years (if at all). The split requires the rebuilding of Camden Town station. So Morden will just lose, what, a third of its peak service? Morden terminus can't cope with the peak service anyway some have to be turned at Tooting tim |
By Londons Northern Line to Battersea
On Tue, 29 Dec 2015 03:00:52 +0000, Basil Jet
wrote: On 2015\12\28 22:51, Recliner wrote: wrote: On Thu, 24 Dec 2015 14:25:15 +0000 Basil Jet wrote: I notice that "Nine Elms" roundels have gone up all over the hoarding surrounding the former Sainsburys opposite Wilcox Road. Boris has also ceremonially started a conveyor belt from the Battersea station site to the Thames. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcjSnzw38iI Maybe they should have just built a two way conveyor from Battersea to Vauxhall and then we wouldn't need the railway ;-) I wonder if when that extension is built and the line is operationally split in 2 whether one half of the line will be given a new name or whether it'll still all be known as the northern line? The extension is certainly being built and will open in 2020, but the line won't be split into two for some years (if at all). The split requires the rebuilding of Camden Town station. So Morden will just lose, what, a third of its peak service? One presumes the trains that currently terminate at Kennington will proceed onto the new branch. |
By Northern Line to Battersea
On Tue, 29 Dec 2015 08:56:26 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
wrote: Basil Jet wrote: On 2015\12\28 22:51, Recliner wrote: wrote: The extension is certainly being built and will open in 2020, but the line won't be split into two for some years (if at all). The split requires the rebuilding of Camden Town station. So Morden will just lose, what, a third of its peak service? The Northern is to have a significantly larger fleet, and both branches should have an enhanced service. Is there spare capacity at Camden Town? -- jhk |
By Northern Line to Battersea
On 2015\12\29 10:43, tim..... wrote:
"Basil Jet" wrote in message ... On 2015\12\28 22:51, Recliner wrote: wrote: On Thu, 24 Dec 2015 14:25:15 +0000 Basil Jet wrote: I notice that "Nine Elms" roundels have gone up all over the hoarding surrounding the former Sainsburys opposite Wilcox Road. Boris has also ceremonially started a conveyor belt from the Battersea station site to the Thames. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcjSnzw38iI Maybe they should have just built a two way conveyor from Battersea to Vauxhall and then we wouldn't need the railway ;-) I wonder if when that extension is built and the line is operationally split in 2 whether one half of the line will be given a new name or whether it'll still all be known as the northern line? The extension is certainly being built and will open in 2020, but the line won't be split into two for some years (if at all). The split requires the rebuilding of Camden Town station. So Morden will just lose, what, a third of its peak service? Morden terminus can't cope with the peak service anyway some have to be turned at Tooting So Tooting will just lose, what, a third of its peak service? |
By London Northern Line to Battersea
On Tue, 29 Dec 2015 12:28:55 +0100, Jarle Hammen Knudsen
wrote: On Tue, 29 Dec 2015 08:56:26 -0000 (UTC), Recliner wrote: Basil Jet wrote: On 2015\12\28 22:51, Recliner wrote: wrote: The extension is certainly being built and will open in 2020, but the line won't be split into two for some years (if at all). The split requires the rebuilding of Camden Town station. So Morden will just lose, what, a third of its peak service? The Northern is to have a significantly larger fleet, and both branches should have an enhanced service. Is there spare capacity at Camden Town? AIUI Camden Town has sufficient platform capacity. The pedestrian tunnels are insufficient for the station's future role as an interchange. The upcoming rebuild will resolve that issue. |
By London Northern Line to Battersea
On Tue, 29 Dec 2015 11:30:51 +0000, Basil Jet
wrote: On 2015\12\29 10:43, tim..... wrote: "Basil Jet" wrote in message ... On 2015\12\28 22:51, Recliner wrote: wrote: On Thu, 24 Dec 2015 14:25:15 +0000 Basil Jet wrote: I notice that "Nine Elms" roundels have gone up all over the hoarding surrounding the former Sainsburys opposite Wilcox Road. Boris has also ceremonially started a conveyor belt from the Battersea station site to the Thames. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcjSnzw38iI Maybe they should have just built a two way conveyor from Battersea to Vauxhall and then we wouldn't need the railway ;-) I wonder if when that extension is built and the line is operationally split in 2 whether one half of the line will be given a new name or whether it'll still all be known as the northern line? The extension is certainly being built and will open in 2020, but the line won't be split into two for some years (if at all). The split requires the rebuilding of Camden Town station. So Morden will just lose, what, a third of its peak service? Morden terminus can't cope with the peak service anyway some have to be turned at Tooting So Tooting will just lose, what, a third of its peak service? IIRC The trains that currently turn at Kennington will proceed to Battersea. |
By Northern Line to Battersea
On Tue, 29 Dec 2015 11:30:51 +0000, Basil Jet
wrote: On 2015\12\29 10:43, tim..... wrote: "Basil Jet" wrote in message ... On 2015\12\28 22:51, Recliner wrote: wrote: On Thu, 24 Dec 2015 14:25:15 +0000 Basil Jet wrote: I notice that "Nine Elms" roundels have gone up all over the hoarding surrounding the former Sainsburys opposite Wilcox Road. Boris has also ceremonially started a conveyor belt from the Battersea station site to the Thames. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcjSnzw38iI Maybe they should have just built a two way conveyor from Battersea to Vauxhall and then we wouldn't need the railway ;-) I wonder if when that extension is built and the line is operationally split in 2 whether one half of the line will be given a new name or whether it'll still all be known as the northern line? The extension is certainly being built and will open in 2020, but the line won't be split into two for some years (if at all). The split requires the rebuilding of Camden Town station. So Morden will just lose, what, a third of its peak service? Morden terminus can't cope with the peak service anyway some have to be turned at Tooting So Tooting will just lose, what, a third of its peak service? As I said, the fleet is to be significantly increased, so that both branches will get a more frequent service (of course, apart from during the Bank rebuilding). |
By London Northern Line to Battersea
On 2015\12\29 11:15, e27002 aurora wrote:
On Mon, 28 Dec 2015 21:05:52 GMT, d wrote: On Thu, 24 Dec 2015 14:25:15 +0000 Basil Jet wrote: I notice that "Nine Elms" roundels have gone up all over the hoarding surrounding the former Sainsburys opposite Wilcox Road. Boris has also ceremonially started a conveyor belt from the Battersea station site to the Thames. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcjSnzw38iI Maybe they should have just built a two way conveyor from Battersea to Vauxhall and then we wouldn't need the railway ;-) I wonder if when that extension is built and the line is operationally split in 2 whether one half of the line will be given a new name or whether it'll still all be known as the northern line? Logically two independent lines should have two names. Independent from a customer facing standpoint that is. It would be no surprise if they still exchanged empty stock movements. If the bits that were the "Charing Cross, Euston and Hampstead Railway" remain together, the "Hampstead Line" has a good ring to it. Sounds too similar to the Hammersmith line. While I'm here, I wish they'd rename the H&C the Hammercity Line. Or anything but H&C, really. Or, how about something royal? "The Queen Elizabeth Line", "The Charles, Prince of Wales Line", or "The Duke and Duchess of Cambridge Line". I suspect in every day speech these would become the QE2, Charlie, or Duchess Lines respectively. :-) If they want something royal, how about the Annus Horribilis Line? TfL could celebrate a great politician: "The Cromwell Line", "The Winston Spencer Churchill Line", or, especially the part that includes the Barnett Branch "The Baroness Thatcher Line". TfL could remember her own history, "The Leslie William Green Line" (Too easy to confuse with the District), "The Frank Pick Line", or "The Charles Henry Holden Line". We already have a Picc line. Please spare us anymore "and City" lines. I'd like the one that serves Goodge Street and Chalk Farm to be called the Fitzroy Line (yes, I did mean that, not Fitzrovia Line). I'd like Goodge Street to be renamed Fitzrovia Station at the same time, since every map and line guide will have to be replaced anyway. I don't think it's a good idea to have stations and lines with the same name, because it makes questions like "Is this the Victoria Train" ambiguous when asked about a train heading away from Victoria, but I think Fitzroy and Fitzrovia sound different enough to prevent ambiguity. It also starts with a different letter to any of the existing lines. I'd be happy for the line that links Highgate with the City to be called the Whittington Line, although there is already a line starting with W. |
By London Northern Line to Battersea
On Tue, 29 Dec 2015 12:01:26 +0000, Basil Jet
wrote: On 2015\12\29 11:15, e27002 aurora wrote: On Mon, 28 Dec 2015 21:05:52 GMT, d wrote: On Thu, 24 Dec 2015 14:25:15 +0000 Basil Jet wrote: I notice that "Nine Elms" roundels have gone up all over the hoarding surrounding the former Sainsburys opposite Wilcox Road. Boris has also ceremonially started a conveyor belt from the Battersea station site to the Thames. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcjSnzw38iI Maybe they should have just built a two way conveyor from Battersea to Vauxhall and then we wouldn't need the railway ;-) I wonder if when that extension is built and the line is operationally split in 2 whether one half of the line will be given a new name or whether it'll still all be known as the northern line? Logically two independent lines should have two names. Independent from a customer facing standpoint that is. It would be no surprise if they still exchanged empty stock movements. If the bits that were the "Charing Cross, Euston and Hampstead Railway" remain together, the "Hampstead Line" has a good ring to it. Sounds too similar to the Hammersmith line. While I'm here, I wish they'd rename the H&C the Hammercity Line. Or anything but H&C, really. Now that the Circle is a Tea Cup, the Hammersmith and City is no longer needed. Why not replace it with a Metropolitan service from Uxbridge to Barking? |
By London Northern Line to Battersea
On Tue, 29 Dec 2015 12:11:04 +0000, e27002 aurora
wrote: On Tue, 29 Dec 2015 12:01:26 +0000, Basil Jet wrote: On 2015\12\29 11:15, e27002 aurora wrote: On Mon, 28 Dec 2015 21:05:52 GMT, d wrote: On Thu, 24 Dec 2015 14:25:15 +0000 Basil Jet wrote: I notice that "Nine Elms" roundels have gone up all over the hoarding surrounding the former Sainsburys opposite Wilcox Road. Boris has also ceremonially started a conveyor belt from the Battersea station site to the Thames. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcjSnzw38iI Maybe they should have just built a two way conveyor from Battersea to Vauxhall and then we wouldn't need the railway ;-) I wonder if when that extension is built and the line is operationally split in 2 whether one half of the line will be given a new name or whether it'll still all be known as the northern line? Logically two independent lines should have two names. Independent from a customer facing standpoint that is. It would be no surprise if they still exchanged empty stock movements. If the bits that were the "Charing Cross, Euston and Hampstead Railway" remain together, the "Hampstead Line" has a good ring to it. Sounds too similar to the Hammersmith line. While I'm here, I wish they'd rename the H&C the Hammercity Line. Or anything but H&C, really. Now that the Circle is a Tea Cup, the Hammersmith and City is no longer needed. Why not replace it with a Metropolitan service from Uxbridge to Barking? Because they wanted the extra services to Hammersmith, but there isn't enough capacity on the southern side of the Circle for more Circle line trains. Also, the H&C stations to Barking may not be long enough for S8 trains. |
By London Northern Line to Battersea
On 2015\12\29 12:14, Recliner wrote:
On Tue, 29 Dec 2015 12:11:04 +0000, e27002 aurora wrote: Now that the Circle is a Tea Cup, the Hammersmith and City is no longer needed. Why not replace it with a Metropolitan service from Uxbridge to Barking? Because they wanted the extra services to Hammersmith, but there isn't enough capacity on the southern side of the Circle for more Circle line trains. Also, the H&C stations to Barking may not be long enough for S8 trains. Indeed they aren't. |
By Northern Line to Battersea
On 2015\12\29 11:51, Recliner wrote:
On Tue, 29 Dec 2015 11:30:51 +0000, Basil Jet wrote: On 2015\12\29 10:43, tim..... wrote: "Basil Jet" wrote in message ... On 2015\12\28 22:51, Recliner wrote: wrote: On Thu, 24 Dec 2015 14:25:15 +0000 Basil Jet wrote: I notice that "Nine Elms" roundels have gone up all over the hoarding surrounding the former Sainsburys opposite Wilcox Road. Boris has also ceremonially started a conveyor belt from the Battersea station site to the Thames. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcjSnzw38iI Maybe they should have just built a two way conveyor from Battersea to Vauxhall and then we wouldn't need the railway ;-) I wonder if when that extension is built and the line is operationally split in 2 whether one half of the line will be given a new name or whether it'll still all be known as the northern line? The extension is certainly being built and will open in 2020, but the line won't be split into two for some years (if at all). The split requires the rebuilding of Camden Town station. So Morden will just lose, what, a third of its peak service? Morden terminus can't cope with the peak service anyway some have to be turned at Tooting So Tooting will just lose, what, a third of its peak service? As I said, the fleet is to be significantly increased, so that both branches will get a more frequent service (of course, apart from during the Bank rebuilding). But surely increased frequencies are not possible until Camden is a junction no more. |
By Londons Northern Line to Battersea
On 2015\12\29 11:18, e27002 aurora wrote:
On Tue, 29 Dec 2015 03:00:52 +0000, Basil Jet wrote: On 2015\12\28 22:51, Recliner wrote: wrote: On Thu, 24 Dec 2015 14:25:15 +0000 Basil Jet wrote: I notice that "Nine Elms" roundels have gone up all over the hoarding surrounding the former Sainsburys opposite Wilcox Road. Boris has also ceremonially started a conveyor belt from the Battersea station site to the Thames. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcjSnzw38iI Maybe they should have just built a two way conveyor from Battersea to Vauxhall and then we wouldn't need the railway ;-) I wonder if when that extension is built and the line is operationally split in 2 whether one half of the line will be given a new name or whether it'll still all be known as the northern line? The extension is certainly being built and will open in 2020, but the line won't be split into two for some years (if at all). The split requires the rebuilding of Camden Town station. So Morden will just lose, what, a third of its peak service? One presumes the trains that currently terminate at Kennington will proceed onto the new branch. slaps forehead composes himself I knew that. I was just testing. |
By Northern Line to Battersea
On Tue, 29 Dec 2015 12:35:45 +0000, Basil Jet
wrote: On 2015\12\29 11:51, Recliner wrote: On Tue, 29 Dec 2015 11:30:51 +0000, Basil Jet wrote: On 2015\12\29 10:43, tim..... wrote: "Basil Jet" wrote in message ... On 2015\12\28 22:51, Recliner wrote: wrote: On Thu, 24 Dec 2015 14:25:15 +0000 Basil Jet wrote: I notice that "Nine Elms" roundels have gone up all over the hoarding surrounding the former Sainsburys opposite Wilcox Road. Boris has also ceremonially started a conveyor belt from the Battersea station site to the Thames. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcjSnzw38iI Maybe they should have just built a two way conveyor from Battersea to Vauxhall and then we wouldn't need the railway ;-) I wonder if when that extension is built and the line is operationally split in 2 whether one half of the line will be given a new name or whether it'll still all be known as the northern line? The extension is certainly being built and will open in 2020, but the line won't be split into two for some years (if at all). The split requires the rebuilding of Camden Town station. So Morden will just lose, what, a third of its peak service? Morden terminus can't cope with the peak service anyway some have to be turned at Tooting So Tooting will just lose, what, a third of its peak service? As I said, the fleet is to be significantly increased, so that both branches will get a more frequent service (of course, apart from during the Bank rebuilding). But surely increased frequencies are not possible until Camden is a junction no more. The new signalling helps. But eliminating the junction would provide a big increase in capacity, which is why it remains a long-term aim. In the interim, you can optimise the use of the junctions, by having fewer conflicting movements. Note that other lines, such as the Central, also have branches with junctions. |
By Londons Northern Line to Battersea
On 2015\12\29 12:39, Basil Jet wrote:
On 2015\12\29 11:18, e27002 aurora wrote: On Tue, 29 Dec 2015 03:00:52 +0000, Basil Jet wrote: On 2015\12\28 22:51, Recliner wrote: wrote: On Thu, 24 Dec 2015 14:25:15 +0000 Basil Jet wrote: I notice that "Nine Elms" roundels have gone up all over the hoarding surrounding the former Sainsburys opposite Wilcox Road. Boris has also ceremonially started a conveyor belt from the Battersea station site to the Thames. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcjSnzw38iI Maybe they should have just built a two way conveyor from Battersea to Vauxhall and then we wouldn't need the railway ;-) I wonder if when that extension is built and the line is operationally split in 2 whether one half of the line will be given a new name or whether it'll still all be known as the northern line? The extension is certainly being built and will open in 2020, but the line won't be split into two for some years (if at all). The split requires the rebuilding of Camden Town station. So Morden will just lose, what, a third of its peak service? One presumes the trains that currently terminate at Kennington will proceed onto the new branch. slaps forehead composes himself I knew that. I was just testing. Actually, the map on the TfL site says otherwise. https://tfl.gov.uk/travel-informatio...line-extension But what you're saying makes more sense than their map. |
By Northern Line to Battersea
In message , at 12:42:00 on
Tue, 29 Dec 2015, Recliner remarked: But surely increased frequencies are not possible until Camden is a junction no more. The new signalling helps. But eliminating the junction would provide a big increase in capacity, which is why it remains a long-term aim. In the interim, you can optimise the use of the junctions, by having fewer conflicting movements. You could get more through trains at Camden by having the "two branches" permanently separated, with the current track layout - but the issue then is a big increase in people changing platforms at Camden, and that's why it wouldn't cope. -- Roland Perry |
By Northern Line to Battersea
On Tue, 29 Dec 2015 13:42:13 +0000, Roland Perry
wrote: In message , at 12:42:00 on Tue, 29 Dec 2015, Recliner remarked: But surely increased frequencies are not possible until Camden is a junction no more. The new signalling helps. But eliminating the junction would provide a big increase in capacity, which is why it remains a long-term aim. In the interim, you can optimise the use of the junctions, by having fewer conflicting movements. You could get more through trains at Camden by having the "two branches" permanently separated, with the current track layout - but the issue then is a big increase in people changing platforms at Camden, and that's why it wouldn't cope. Yes, that's why you'd have to send some trains from both southern branches to both northern branches. |
By Northern Line to Battersea
In article , (Basil Jet)
wrote: On 2015\12\28 22:51, Recliner wrote: wrote: On Thu, 24 Dec 2015 14:25:15 +0000 Basil Jet wrote: I notice that "Nine Elms" roundels have gone up all over the hoarding surrounding the former Sainsburys opposite Wilcox Road. Boris has also ceremonially started a conveyor belt from the Battersea station site to the Thames. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcjSnzw38iI Maybe they should have just built a two way conveyor from Battersea to Vauxhall and then we wouldn't need the railway ;-) I wonder if when that extension is built and the line is operationally split in 2 whether one half of the line will be given a new name or whether it'll still all be known as the northern line? The extension is certainly being built and will open in 2020, but the line won't be split into two for some years (if at all). The split requires the rebuilding of Camden Town station. So Morden will just lose, what, a third of its peak service? Not exactly as I understand it. They will all go via Bank instead of some going via Charing Cross. -- Colin Rosenstiel |
By London Northern Line to Battersea
On 2015\12\29 12:01, Basil Jet wrote:
I'd be happy for the line that links Highgate with the City to be called the Whittington Line, although there is already a line starting with W. Alternatively the Stane Street Line, since it follows the Roman road of that name from Colliers Wood to London Bridge. |
By Northern Line to Battersea
wrote:
In article , (Basil Jet) wrote: On 2015\12\28 22:51, Recliner wrote: wrote: On Thu, 24 Dec 2015 14:25:15 +0000 Basil Jet wrote: I notice that "Nine Elms" roundels have gone up all over the hoarding surrounding the former Sainsburys opposite Wilcox Road. Boris has also ceremonially started a conveyor belt from the Battersea station site to the Thames. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcjSnzw38iI Maybe they should have just built a two way conveyor from Battersea to Vauxhall and then we wouldn't need the railway ;-) I wonder if when that extension is built and the line is operationally split in 2 whether one half of the line will be given a new name or whether it'll still all be known as the northern line? The extension is certainly being built and will open in 2020, but the line won't be split into two for some years (if at all). The split requires the rebuilding of Camden Town station. So Morden will just lose, what, a third of its peak service? Not exactly as I understand it. They will all go via Bank instead of some going via Charing Cross. That's one way of putting it. The other is that all Charing X trains go to Battersea, with additional trains running via Bank to Morden. Either way, there will be more stock, and more trains running. |
By Northern Line to Battersea
In message , at 14:59:43 on
Tue, 29 Dec 2015, Recliner remarked: But surely increased frequencies are not possible until Camden is a junction no more. The new signalling helps. But eliminating the junction would provide a big increase in capacity, which is why it remains a long-term aim. In the interim, you can optimise the use of the junctions, by having fewer conflicting movements. You could get more through trains at Camden by having the "two branches" permanently separated, with the current track layout - but the issue then is a big increase in people changing platforms at Camden, and that's why it wouldn't cope. Yes, that's why you'd have to send some trains from both southern branches to both northern branches. Some trains to both branches?? Split the train at Camden Town and send half each way? -- Roland Perry |
By Londons Northern Line to Battersea
On Tue, 29 Dec 2015 11:18:24 +0000, e27002 aurora
wrote: Subject: By Londons Northern Line to Battersea Why are you changing the subject line? It creates a new thread each time you do that. It makes a mess. Original subject was "By Northern Line to Battersea". -- jhk |
By Londons Northern Line to Battersea
Jarle Hammen Knudsen wrote:
On Tue, 29 Dec 2015 11:18:24 +0000, e27002 aurora wrote: Subject: By Londons Northern Line to Battersea Why are you changing the subject line? It creates a new thread each time you do that. It makes a mess. Original subject was "By Northern Line to Battersea". Adrian is obsessed with cross-posting to international news groups, so he sometimes changes titles in order that the members of those groups know that these are actually local UK threads that have been parachuted in. It's also why he justifies using US spellings in purely UK threads. He's not worried that this annoys others in the original groups, as he apparently wishes to do so. Given how many people he blocks (or claims to block), he must have trouble following threads anyway. |
By Londons Northern Line to Battersea
In message , at 21:19:39 on
Tue, 29 Dec 2015, Jarle Hammen Knudsen remarked: Why are you changing the subject line? It creates a new thread each time you do that. Only if your news client ignores the "References" field: -- Roland Perry |
By Londons Northern Line to Battersea
On Tue, 29 Dec 2015 21:19:39 +0100, Jarle Hammen Knudsen
wrote: On Tue, 29 Dec 2015 11:18:24 +0000, e27002 aurora wrote: Subject: By Londons Northern Line to Battersea Why are you changing the subject line? It creates a new thread each time you do that. It makes a mess. Original subject was "By Northern Line to Battersea". Because readers in misc.transport.urban-transit may not know that the "Northern Line" and "Battersea" relate to London, England. |
By London's Northern Line to Battersea
On Tue, 29 Dec 2015 20:37:54 +0000, Roland Perry
wrote: In message , at 21:19:39 on Tue, 29 Dec 2015, Jarle Hammen Knudsen remarked: Why are you changing the subject line? It creates a new thread each time you do that. Only if your news client ignores the "References" field: Which client are you using Roland? I am using Forte Agent. |
By Northern Line to Battersea
On Tue, 29 Dec 2015 15:58:07 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote: wrote: Not exactly as I understand it. They will all go via Bank instead of some going via Charing Cross. That's one way of putting it. The other is that all Charing X trains go to Battersea, with additional trains running via Bank to Morden. Either way, there will be more stock, and more trains running. Are these new trains going to be more of the same design or will they be completely new? One would hope the latter given the current 95 stock are a 20 year old design. -- Spud |
By London's Northern Line to Battersea
In message , at 20:48:54 on
Tue, 29 Dec 2015, e27002 aurora remarked: Why are you changing the subject line? It creates a new thread each time you do that. Only if your news client ignores the "References" field: Which client are you using Roland? I am using Forte Agent. It's in the headers (again). Turnpike. -- Roland Perry |
By Londons Northern Line to Battersea
On Tue, 29 Dec 2015 20:43:26 +0000
e27002 aurora wrote: On Tue, 29 Dec 2015 21:19:39 +0100, Jarle Hammen Knudsen wrote: On Tue, 29 Dec 2015 11:18:24 +0000, e27002 aurora wrote: Subject: By Londons Northern Line to Battersea Why are you changing the subject line? It creates a new thread each time you do that. It makes a mess. Original subject was "By Northern Line to Battersea". Because readers in misc.transport.urban-transit may not know that the "Northern Line" and "Battersea" relate to London, England. They probably don't care either and if they did they'd probably already subscribe to utl. -- Spud |
By Londons Northern Line to Battersea
"Jarle Hammen Knudsen" wrote On Tue, 29 Dec 2015 11:18:24 +0000, e27002 aurora wrote: Subject: By Londons Northern Line to Battersea Why are you changing the subject line? It creates a new thread each time you do that. It makes a mess. Original subject was "By Northern Line to Battersea". Only if your newsreader wants it that way. Forte Agent has a profile option to show new thread if subject changes, I expect you have it ON. -- Mike D |
By Northern Line to Battersea
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On Tue, 29 Dec 2015 15:58:07 -0000 (UTC) Recliner wrote: wrote: Not exactly as I understand it. They will all go via Bank instead of some going via Charing Cross. That's one way of putting it. The other is that all Charing X trains go to Battersea, with additional trains running via Bank to Morden. Either way, there will be more stock, and more trains running. Are these new trains going to be more of the same design or will they be completely new? One would hope the latter given the current 95 stock are a 20 year old design. Could be either. They'll be required to be externally similar (doors of the same size, in the same places, same driving controls) but can have more modern technology underneath. But, given that it won't be a huge order, Alstom must have a good chance of winning the contest, with an updated version of the 95 stock. Some of the order will be for the Jubilee line, which also needs a bigger fleet to support more frequent services. |
By Northern Line to Battersea
On Tue, 29 Dec 2015 21:46:05 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote: wrote: On Tue, 29 Dec 2015 15:58:07 -0000 (UTC) Recliner wrote: wrote: Not exactly as I understand it. They will all go via Bank instead of some going via Charing Cross. That's one way of putting it. The other is that all Charing X trains go to Battersea, with additional trains running via Bank to Morden. Either way, there will be more stock, and more trains running. Are these new trains going to be more of the same design or will they be completely new? One would hope the latter given the current 95 stock are a 20 year old design. Could be either. They'll be required to be externally similar (doors of the same size, in the same places, same driving controls) but can have more modern technology underneath. But, given that it won't be a huge order, Alstom must have a good chance of winning the contest, with an updated That would be logical. However TfL and logic are only nodding aquaintances. I refer you to the 2009 stock that they made too big to run on the piccadilly line so has to be carted in and out of northumberland park by lorry , then they go and waste the few inches of extra space with extra thick interior decor. version of the 95 stock. Some of the order will be for the Jubilee line, which also needs a bigger fleet to support more frequent services. Would be nice if they made them walk through. God knows, the northern line trains need every bit of extra space they can get in the rush hour. -- Spud |
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