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In article
-september
..org, (Recliner) wrote:

Basil Jet wrote:
On 2016\01\01 09:50, e27002 aurora wrote:
On Thu, 31 Dec 2015 20:23:11 +0000, BevanPrice
wrote:

On 29/12/2015 11:15, e27002 aurora wrote:
On Mon, 28 Dec 2015 21:05:52 GMT, d
wrote:

On Thu, 24 Dec 2015 14:25:15 +0000
Basil Jet wrote:
I notice that "Nine Elms" roundels have gone up all over the
hoarding surrounding the former Sainsburys opposite Wilcox Road.

Boris has also ceremonially started a conveyor belt from the
Battersea station site to the Thames.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcjSnzw38iI

Maybe they should have just built a two way conveyor from Battersea
to Vauxhall and then we wouldn't need the railway ;-)

I wonder if when that extension is built and the line is
operationally split in 2 whether one half of the line will be given
a new name or whether it'll still all be known as the northern line?

Logically two independent lines should have two names. Independent
from a customer facing standpoint that is. It would be no surprise
if they still exchanged empty stock movements.

If the bits that were the "Charing Cross, Euston and Hampstead
Railway" remain together, the "Hampstead Line" has a good ring to it.

Or, how about something royal? "The Queen Elizabeth Line", "The
Charles, Prince of Wales Line", or "The Duke and Duchess of Cambridge
Line". I suspect in every day speech these would become the QE2,
Charlie, or Duchess Lines respectively. :-)

TfL could celebrate a great politician: "The Cromwell Line", "The
Winston Spencer Churchill Line", or, especially the part that
includes the Barnett Branch "The Baroness Thatcher Line".


That last one would probably make half the passengers want to
puke.......

You are believing your own leftist propaganda. Allow me to paint a
more realistic pictu
More than half of the potential users of the route just would not
care. Sad, but welcome to the modern apathetic world.

A healthy number would be happy to see the Iron Lady so honored.

A boisterous left wing minority would make a lot of obscene fuss. They
would use the methods at their disposal, vandalism, graffiti et al.
This says more about them than the great lady.

LU would be stupid to use a name which would obviously attract
graffiti.

Exactly. Better never to name lines after politicians, or better still,
people at all. I'd no more want a Thatcher line than a Livingstone line
(ignoring his extremist politics for a moment, the latter probably did
more to help LU than most politicians).

And apart from the Victoria line, which is really named after Victoria
station, rather than the queen herself, that's long been the tradition.
Far better to have anodyne, vaguely geographic names.

In fact the creation of new names in modern times has been pretty
unimaginative. Look at those created in my lifetime, Victoria, Jubilee
(originally Fleet), Hammersmith & City and Crossrail. I think that Fleet
would have been a better name, especially as there have been 2 more jubilees
since Horace Cutler decided on the name.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

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On Fri, 01 Jan 2016 04:37:11 -0600,
wrote:


In fact the creation of new names in modern times has been pretty
unimaginative. Look at those created in my lifetime, Victoria, Jubilee
(originally Fleet), Hammersmith & City and Crossrail. I think that Fleet
would have been a better name, especially as there have been 2 more jubilees
since Horace Cutler decided on the name.

Victoria is a fine name for a fine piece of infrastructure. It is of
the few good things to come out of the 1960s.

The name Jubilee, as I am sure you are aware, long predates its
British utilization. Better than name the route after a sewer.

Hammersmith and City is an artificial renaming of part of the
Metropolitan, and is very awkward.

Who knows what the completed Crossrail will be called. Meanwhile
Crossrail is not bad.

By London's Northern Line to Battersea
 

In article ,
(e27002 aurora) wrote:

On Fri, 01 Jan 2016 04:37:11 -0600,
wrote:

In fact the creation of new names in modern times has been pretty
unimaginative. Look at those created in my lifetime, Victoria,
Jubilee (originally Fleet), Hammersmith & City and Crossrail. I
think that Fleet would have been a better name, especially as there
have been 2 more jubilees since Horace Cutler decided on the name.

Victoria is a fine name for a fine piece of infrastructure. It is of
the few good things to come out of the 1960s.

The name Jubilee, as I am sure you are aware, long predates its
British utilization. Better than name the route after a sewer.

Hammersmith and City is an artificial renaming of part of the
Metropolitan, and is very awkward.

Who knows what the completed Crossrail will be called. Meanwhile
Crossrail is not bad.

You didn't read what I wrote very carefully. I aid the names were
unimaginative, not necessarily bad. For the record I don't think Victoria or
jubilee are bad names. I think Cross rail is still because many tube lines
could be called crossrail.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

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On Fri, 01 Jan 2016 05:17:32 -0600,
wrote:

In article ,
(e27002 aurora) wrote:

On Fri, 01 Jan 2016 04:37:11 -0600,
wrote:

In fact the creation of new names in modern times has been pretty
unimaginative. Look at those created in my lifetime, Victoria,
Jubilee (originally Fleet), Hammersmith & City and Crossrail. I
think that Fleet would have been a better name, especially as there
have been 2 more jubilees since Horace Cutler decided on the name.

Victoria is a fine name for a fine piece of infrastructure. It is of
the few good things to come out of the 1960s.

The name Jubilee, as I am sure you are aware, long predates its
British utilization. Better than name the route after a sewer.

Hammersmith and City is an artificial renaming of part of the
Metropolitan, and is very awkward.

Who knows what the completed Crossrail will be called. Meanwhile
Crossrail is not bad.

You didn't read what I wrote very carefully. I aid the names were
unimaginative, not necessarily bad. For the record I don't think Victoria or
jubilee are bad names. I think Cross rail is still because many tube lines
could be called crossrail.

Point taken councillor.

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In message , at 10:59:02 on
Fri, 1 Jan 2016, e27002 aurora remarked:

Who knows what the completed Crossrail will be called.

It could well be merged into the Overground brand.

Meanwhile Crossrail is not bad.

Thameslink has clung on, despite attempts to name it stupid things like
First Capital Connect.
--
Roland Perry

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On Fri, 1 Jan 2016 11:32:56 +0000, Robert
wrote:

On 2016-01-01 10:59:02 +0000, e27002 aurora said:

On Fri, 01 Jan 2016 04:37:11 -0600,
wrote:


In fact the creation of new names in modern times has been pretty
unimaginative. Look at those created in my lifetime, Victoria, Jubilee
(originally Fleet), Hammersmith & City and Crossrail. I think that Fleet
would have been a better name, especially as there have been 2 more jubilees
since Horace Cutler decided on the name.

Victoria is a fine name for a fine piece of infrastructure. It is of
the few good things to come out of the 1960s.

Apart from the Beatles, Alexis Korner and the Rolling Stones...


One is not sure encouraging indolence, rebellion, and the use of
health harming substances was an altogether good thing.

Better, IMHO, if the New Elizabethan period was known for the music
Ralph Vaughan Williams.

The name Jubilee, as I am sure you are aware, long predates its
British utilization. Better than name the route after a sewer.

The word 'Fleet' (also written as 'Fleth') in old lower German means a
small watercourse running into a larger river - it has nothing
whatsoever to do with sewers. The word is still used for streams
running into the Weser and Elbe in northern Germany and derives from
'fließen' - meaning 'to flow'.

The word was brought to England by peoples originating from, and
trading with, their homelands in that part of the world. And its
etymology shows that it derives from yet older lndo-European languages
- so probably just as old as 'Jubilee'.

Understood Robert. However, in London, the stream that starts @ the
pools of Hampstead and Highgate and flows to the Thames @ Blackfriars
is best remembered as the Fleet Sewer. Ione assumes it is now clean
again.

Hammersmith and City is an artificial renaming of part of the
Metropolitan, and is very awkward.

Er, the Hammersmith & City Railway (H&CR) was financed jointly by the
GWR and the Metropolitain Railway and opened in 1864. There is nothing
artificial about it.

Point taken. When I lived in London 40 years back, the H&C was simply
part of the Met. If TfL want to maintain the GWR connection how about
helping the longsuffering passengers and restoring the cross-platform
interchange at Paddington. Before the issue of crossing the 3rd and
4th rail tracks comes up, that could be avoided with a long single
track from Royal Oak to platform 16.




Who knows what the completed Crossrail will be called. Meanwhile
Crossrail is not bad.

Crossrail.

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In article ,
(e27002 aurora) wrote:

On Fri, 01 Jan 2016 05:17:32 -0600,
wrote:

In article ,
(e27002 aurora) wrote:

On Fri, 01 Jan 2016 04:37:11 -0600,
wrote:

In fact the creation of new names in modern times has been pretty
unimaginative. Look at those created in my lifetime, Victoria, Jubilee
(originally Fleet), Hammersmith & City and Crossrail. I think that
Fleet would have been a better name, especially as there have been 2
more jubilees since Horace Cutler decided on the name.

Victoria is a fine name for a fine piece of infrastructure. It is of
the few good things to come out of the 1960s.

The name Jubilee, as I am sure you are aware, long predates its
British utilization. Better than name the route after a sewer.

Hammersmith and City is an artificial renaming of part of the
Metropolitan, and is very awkward.

Who knows what the completed Crossrail will be called. Meanwhile
Crossrail is not bad.

You didn't read what I wrote very carefully. I said the names were
unimaginative, not necessarily bad. For the record I don't think Victoria
or jubilee are bad names. I think Cross rail is still because many tube
lines could be called crossrail.

Point taken councillor.

Not a councillor since 2014. I'm just a pensioner these days.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

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In article , (Roland Perry)
wrote:

In message , at 10:59:02
on Fri, 1 Jan 2016, e27002 aurora remarked:

Who knows what the completed Crossrail will be called.

It could well be merged into the Overground brand.

Meanwhile Crossrail is not bad.

Thameslink has clung on, despite attempts to name it stupid things
like First Capital Connect.

Which wasn't just Thameslink of course.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

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On 2016\01\01 10:59, e27002 aurora wrote:
On Fri, 01 Jan 2016 04:37:11 -0600,
wrote:


In fact the creation of new names in modern times has been pretty
unimaginative. Look at those created in my lifetime, Victoria, Jubilee
(originally Fleet), Hammersmith & City and Crossrail. I think that Fleet
would have been a better name, especially as there have been 2 more jubilees
since Horace Cutler decided on the name.

Victoria is a fine name for a fine piece of infrastructure. It is of
the few good things to come out of the 1960s.

The name Jubilee, as I am sure you are aware, long predates its
British utilization. Better than name the route after a sewer.

Hammersmith and City is an artificial renaming of part of the
Metropolitan, and is very awkward.

Isn't its usage on certain signs, for instance at Baker Street, a lot
older than its sudden appearance on the tube map in 1990?

Who knows what the completed Crossrail will be called. Meanwhile
Crossrail is not bad.

"The Crossrail Line" sounds a little odd though.

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On Fri, 01 Jan 2016 07:35:51 -0600,
wrote:

In article ,
(e27002 aurora) wrote:

On Fri, 01 Jan 2016 05:17:32 -0600,
wrote:

In article ,
(e27002 aurora) wrote:

On Fri, 01 Jan 2016 04:37:11 -0600,
wrote:

In fact the creation of new names in modern times has been pretty
unimaginative. Look at those created in my lifetime, Victoria, Jubilee
(originally Fleet), Hammersmith & City and Crossrail. I think that
Fleet would have been a better name, especially as there have been 2
more jubilees since Horace Cutler decided on the name.

Victoria is a fine name for a fine piece of infrastructure. It is of
the few good things to come out of the 1960s.

The name Jubilee, as I am sure you are aware, long predates its
British utilization. Better than name the route after a sewer.

Hammersmith and City is an artificial renaming of part of the
Metropolitan, and is very awkward.

Who knows what the completed Crossrail will be called. Meanwhile
Crossrail is not bad.

You didn't read what I wrote very carefully. I said the names were
unimaginative, not necessarily bad. For the record I don't think Victoria
or jubilee are bad names. I think Cross rail is still because many tube
lines could be called crossrail.

Point taken councillor.

Not a councillor since 2014. I'm just a pensioner these days.

So, under the UK tradition you do not retain the title after your term
in office?

US tradition is slightly more familiar to me. Certain titles,
President, Congressman, Judge, remain with the holder after his term

Strictly speaking there are five living men who should be addressed as
"Mr President". Of, course only one of them is currently serving his
term.

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In message , at 14:11:06 on
Fri, 1 Jan 2016, e27002 aurora remarked:

Not a councillor since 2014. I'm just a pensioner these days.

So, under the UK tradition you do not retain the title after your term
in office?

US tradition is slightly more familiar to me. Certain titles,
President, Congressman, Judge, remain with the holder after his term

It seems to happen in the ex-military, but not the sort of roles you
mention. I don't think people can even keep a title like "Professor"
unless elected to one of the few Emeritus Professorships.
--
Roland Perry

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In article ,
(e27002 aurora) wrote:

On Fri, 01 Jan 2016 07:35:51 -0600,
wrote:

In article ,
(e27002 aurora) wrote:

Point taken councillor.

Not a councillor since 2014. I'm just a pensioner these days.

So, under the UK tradition you do not retain the title after your term
in office?

US tradition is slightly more familiar to me. Certain titles,
President, Congressman, Judge, remain with the holder after his term

Strictly speaking there are five living men who should be addressed as
"Mr President". Of, course only one of them is currently serving his
term.

Not UK usage at all, I think. There may be exceptions but I doubt any are
on-topic for this newsgroup.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

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On Fri, 1 Jan 2016 14:29:10 +0000, Robert
wrote:

On 2016-01-01 12:05:50 +0000, e27002 aurora said:

On Fri, 1 Jan 2016 11:32:56 +0000, Robert
wrote:

On 2016-01-01 10:59:02 +0000, e27002 aurora said:

On Fri, 01 Jan 2016 04:37:11 -0600,
wrote:


In fact the creation of new names in modern times has been pretty
unimaginative. Look at those created in my lifetime, Victoria, Jubilee
(originally Fleet), Hammersmith & City and Crossrail. I think that Fleet
would have been a better name, especially as there have been 2 more jubilees
since Horace Cutler decided on the name.

Victoria is a fine name for a fine piece of infrastructure. It is of
the few good things to come out of the 1960s.

Apart from the Beatles, Alexis Korner and the Rolling Stones...


One is not sure encouraging indolence, rebellion, and the use of
health harming substances was an altogether good thing.

I knew you would reply along those lines - it's predictable! As for
indolence! The Rolling Stones are still strutting their stuff and they
are over 70..

ill you still be doing world tours at their age?

That is only a few years away for me. I may still be doing IT
contracts. Location is always where the work is.

Better, IMHO, if the New Elizabethan period was known for the music
Ralph Vaughan Williams.

Why? Good music is good music, whatever the genre.

Let's see what passes the test of time. I concede the Beatles show
signs of doing just that.



The name Jubilee, as I am sure you are aware, long predates its
British utilization. Better than name the route after a sewer.

The word 'Fleet' (also written as 'Fleth') in old lower German means a
small watercourse running into a larger river - it has nothing
whatsoever to do with sewers. The word is still used for streams
running into the Weser and Elbe in northern Germany and derives from
'fließen' - meaning 'to flow'.

The word was brought to England by peoples originating from, and
trading with, their homelands in that part of the world. And its
etymology shows that it derives from yet older lndo-European languages
- so probably just as old as 'Jubilee'.

Understood Robert. However, in London, the stream that starts @ the
pools of Hampstead and Highgate and flows to the Thames @ Blackfriars
is best remembered as the Fleet Sewer. Ione assumes it is now clean
again.

Hammersmith and City is an artificial renaming of part of the
Metropolitan, and is very awkward.

Er, the Hammersmith & City Railway (H&CR) was financed jointly by the
GWR and the Metropolitain Railway and opened in 1864. There is nothing
artificial about it.

Point taken. When I lived in London 40 years back, the H&C was simply
part of the Met. If TfL want to maintain the GWR connection how about
helping the longsuffering passengers and restoring the cross-platform
interchange at Paddington. Before the issue of crossing the 3rd and
4th rail tracks comes up, that could be avoided with a long single
track from Royal Oak to platform 16.

Have you heard about Crossrail? Many passengers to and from stations on
the GW main line will no longer have to change trains at all.

Point largely taken. But gWr will still be running trains on the
reliefs. An easy interchange for the Marylebone Euston Road alignment
would not go amiss. This is not something I expect to happen of
course.



Who knows what the completed Crossrail will be called. Meanwhile
Crossrail is not bad.

Crossrail.

BTW, why not disagree without being disagreeable. I would be the
first to admit to learning a great deal from you posts. I have no
reason to wish to offend. Calling me predictable because my tastes
are know is not needed. Happy 2016 to you.

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On Fri, 01 Jan 2016 14:53:14 +0000
e27002 aurora wrote:
On Fri, 1 Jan 2016 14:29:10 +0000, Robert
wrote:
Why? Good music is good music, whatever the genre.

Let's see what passes the test of time. I concede the Beatles show
signs of doing just that.

The Beatles were just the first boy band with all the accompanying hysteria.
Once all the baby boomers have shuffled off this mortal coil they'll just
just another name in the musical history books. I doubt many people under the
age of 60 actually listens to them on a regular basis.

--
Spud

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Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 14:11:06 on
Fri, 1 Jan 2016, e27002 aurora remarked:

Not a councillor since 2014. I'm just a pensioner these days.

So, under the UK tradition you do not retain the title after your term
in office?

US tradition is slightly more familiar to me. Certain titles,
President, Congressman, Judge, remain with the holder after his term

It seems to happen in the ex-military, but not the sort of roles you
mention. I don't think people can even keep a title like "Professor"
unless elected to one of the few Emeritus Professorships.

At most UK universities, professors are commonly given an Emeritus title
when they retire...

--
Jeremy Double

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In message

t, at 17:01:31 on Fri, 1 Jan 2016, Jeremy Double
remarked:

Not a councillor since 2014. I'm just a pensioner these days.

So, under the UK tradition you do not retain the title after your term
in office?

US tradition is slightly more familiar to me. Certain titles,
President, Congressman, Judge, remain with the holder after his term

It seems to happen in the ex-military, but not the sort of roles you
mention. I don't think people can even keep a title like "Professor"
unless elected to one of the few Emeritus Professorships.

At most UK universities, professors are commonly given an Emeritus title
when they retire...

Yes, there are many around, but how automatic is it.

nb. To be a UK Professor requires one to be in effect head of a
department, the USA-ians apply the term much more widely I think.
--
Roland Perry

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On 01/01/2016 14:48, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 14:11:06 on
Fri, 1 Jan 2016, e27002 aurora remarked:

Not a councillor since 2014. I'm just a pensioner these days.

So, under the UK tradition you do not retain the title after your term
in office?

US tradition is slightly more familiar to me. Certain titles,
President, Congressman, Judge, remain with the holder after his term

It seems to happen in the ex-military,

Military rule used to be, don't know if it still is, that retired
officer's of the rank of Major and above[1] could retain the use of the
title as an honorary rank in retirement.

[1] And equivalents in the other services.

--
Graeme Wall
This account not read.

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On Fri, 1 Jan 2016 17:52:07 +0000, Roland Perry put
finger to keyboard and typed:

In message

t, at 17:01:31 on Fri, 1 Jan 2016, Jeremy Double
remarked:

Not a councillor since 2014. I'm just a pensioner these days.

So, under the UK tradition you do not retain the title after your term
in office?

US tradition is slightly more familiar to me. Certain titles,
President, Congressman, Judge, remain with the holder after his term

It seems to happen in the ex-military, but not the sort of roles you
mention. I don't think people can even keep a title like "Professor"
unless elected to one of the few Emeritus Professorships.

At most UK universities, professors are commonly given an Emeritus title
when they retire...

Yes, there are many around, but how automatic is it.

It's not automatic at all. Here are a couple of (Googled at random)
descriptions of the process:

http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/hr/guide...rofessors.aspx
http://www.cardiff.ac.uk/humrs/staff...procedure.html

Mark
--
Insert random witticism here
http://www.markgoodge.com

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On Fri, 1 Jan 2016 17:59:46 +0000, Graeme Wall
put finger to keyboard and typed:

On 01/01/2016 14:48, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 14:11:06 on
Fri, 1 Jan 2016, e27002 aurora remarked:

Not a councillor since 2014. I'm just a pensioner these days.

So, under the UK tradition you do not retain the title after your term
in office?

US tradition is slightly more familiar to me. Certain titles,
President, Congressman, Judge, remain with the holder after his term

It seems to happen in the ex-military,

Military rule used to be, don't know if it still is, that retired
officer's of the rank of Major and above[1] could retain the use of the
title as an honorary rank in retirement.

[1] And equivalents in the other services.

Captain and above, according to Debrett's:

http://www.debretts.com/forms-addres...ormer-officers

A well-known fictional example, at least to UK readers, is Captain Peacock
from "Are You being Served?".

Mark
--
Insert random witticism here
http://www.markgoodge.com

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"Roland Perry" wrote

At most UK universities, professors are commonly given an Emeritus title
when they retire...

Yes, there are many around, but how automatic is it.

nb. To be a UK Professor requires one to be in effect head of a
department, the USA-ians apply the term much more widely I think.

Not so for the UK now - check Imperial College Physics Department for
example and indeed in 1968 York Physics Department had two.

Of course if you have handfuls of FRS and Nobel prize winners, not giving
them all the title is hardly likely.

The Americans would say (Full Professor) and we used to say Professor (and
Head of Department).

--
Mike D

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Roland Perry wrote:
In message

, at 17:01:31 on Fri, 1 Jan 2016, Jeremy Double
remarked:

Not a councillor since 2014. I'm just a pensioner these days.

So, under the UK tradition you do not retain the title after your term
in office?

US tradition is slightly more familiar to me. Certain titles,
President, Congressman, Judge, remain with the holder after his term

It seems to happen in the ex-military, but not the sort of roles you
mention. I don't think people can even keep a title like "Professor"
unless elected to one of the few Emeritus Professorships.

At most UK universities, professors are commonly given an Emeritus title
when they retire...

Yes, there are many around, but how automatic is it.

nb. To be a UK Professor requires one to be in effect head of a
department, the USA-ians apply the term much more widely I think.

Not true, in the UK there are typically established chairs (of which there
can be more than one in larger departments), and personal chairs, which are
awarded on merit to people with very good research records. You can apply
for an established chair position when one becomes vacant, and it's like
any other job application, whereas personal chairs are awarded by the
promotions committee to current staff who prove themselves worthy. In many
universities, having a chair is not necessary to be the head of a
department.

--
Jeremy Double

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On Fri, 01 Jan 2016 18:38:06 +0000, Mark Goodge
wrote:

On Fri, 1 Jan 2016 17:59:46 +0000, Graeme Wall
put finger to keyboard and typed:

On 01/01/2016 14:48, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 14:11:06 on
Fri, 1 Jan 2016, e27002 aurora remarked:

Not a councillor since 2014. I'm just a pensioner these days.

So, under the UK tradition you do not retain the title after your term
in office?

US tradition is slightly more familiar to me. Certain titles,
President, Congressman, Judge, remain with the holder after his term

It seems to happen in the ex-military,

Military rule used to be, don't know if it still is, that retired
officer's of the rank of Major and above[1] could retain the use of the
title as an honorary rank in retirement.

[1] And equivalents in the other services.

Captain and above, according to Debrett's:

http://www.debretts.com/forms-addres...ormer-officers

A well-known fictional example, at least to UK readers, is Captain Peacock
from "Are You being Served?".

Mark

Finaly, something about which to be unanimous.

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In article , (Roland Perry)
wrote:

In message , at 14:11:06
on Fri, 1 Jan 2016, e27002 aurora remarked:

Not a councillor since 2014. I'm just a pensioner these days.

So, under the UK tradition you do not retain the title after your term
in office?

US tradition is slightly more familiar to me. Certain titles,
President, Congressman, Judge, remain with the holder after his term

It seems to happen in the ex-military, but not the sort of roles you
mention. I don't think people can even keep a title like "Professor"
unless elected to one of the few Emeritus Professorships.

Not sure about that, or else emeritus status is universal. I've never met
and ex-professor.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

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In article , (Roland Perry)
wrote:

In message

,
at 17:01:31 on Fri, 1 Jan 2016, Jeremy Double
remarked:

Not a councillor since 2014. I'm just a pensioner these days.

So, under the UK tradition you do not retain the title after your term
in office?

US tradition is slightly more familiar to me. Certain titles,
President, Congressman, Judge, remain with the holder after his term

It seems to happen in the ex-military, but not the sort of roles you
mention. I don't think people can even keep a title like "Professor"
unless elected to one of the few Emeritus Professorships.

At most UK universities, professors are commonly given an Emeritus title
when they retire...

Yes, there are many around, but how automatic is it.

Seemed to be when my father retired in 1978. But there was no Emeritus
Reader status then so he was an Emeritus Lecturer.

nb. To be a UK Professor requires one to be in effect head of a
department, the USA-ians apply the term much more widely I think.

Not any more. There are plenty of holders of personal chairs in Cambridge
University to my knowledge. And conversely, not all US Heads of Department
are professors. My brother wasn't a professor before he retired but did a
stint as department chair.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

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In message , at 17:58:42
on Fri, 1 Jan 2016, remarked:

There are plenty of holders of personal chairs in Cambridge
University to my knowledge.

That would appear to be the change which has happened. Are those more or
less likely to be extended into active retirement by Emeritus status? By
which I'm also asking do Profs who retire and move to the seaside seek,
or get, Emertius status - even if informally they call themselves a
Professor to their neighbours.
--
Roland Perry

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On Fri, 01 Jan 2016 15:28:34 GMT, d wrote:

On Fri, 01 Jan 2016 14:53:14 +0000
e27002 aurora wrote:
On Fri, 1 Jan 2016 14:29:10 +0000, Robert
wrote:
Why? Good music is good music, whatever the genre.

Let's see what passes the test of time. I concede the Beatles show
signs of doing just that.

The Beatles were just the first boy band with all the accompanying hysteria.
Once all the baby boomers have shuffled off this mortal coil they'll just
just another name in the musical history books. I doubt many people under the
age of 60 actually listens to them on a regular basis.

You may be right. Although their music has been re-arranged and used
for countless purposes.

My issue with those people is how many of their followers became drug
users and died, or were permanently damaged. I have known two former
LSD users, who were from good backgrounds, but are mentally damaged
and will never lead normal lives.

Now, they were responsible for their own actions. Let's just say
their chosen role models were sadly lacking.

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On Fri, 01 Jan 2016 16:28:32 -0600,
wrote:

In article , (Roland Perry)
wrote:

In message , at 14:11:06
on Fri, 1 Jan 2016, e27002 aurora remarked:

Not a councillor since 2014. I'm just a pensioner these days.

So, under the UK tradition you do not retain the title after your term
in office?

US tradition is slightly more familiar to me. Certain titles,
President, Congressman, Judge, remain with the holder after his term

It seems to happen in the ex-military, but not the sort of roles you
mention. I don't think people can even keep a title like "Professor"
unless elected to one of the few Emeritus Professorships.

Not sure about that, or else emeritus status is universal. I've never met
and ex-professor.

My brother is retiring as "Associate" Professor from a Canadian
University. I do not know how that relates to UK or US positions, or
what he will retain. I doubt he cares either way.

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On Fri, 1 Jan 2016 23:28:20 -0000, "D A Stocks"
wrote:

"ian batten" wrote in message
...
On Friday, 1 January 2016 14:55:03 UTC, e27002 wrote:

Better, IMHO, if the New Elizabethan period was known for the music
Ralph Vaughan Williams.

Why? Good music is good music, whatever the genre.

Let's see what passes the test of time. I concede the Beatles show
signs of doing just that.

Whereas Vaughan Williams doesn't. His symphonies are rarely performed

I agree that RVW doesn't represent the reign of QE2 in terms of his music,
OK, so I accept that he is not "New Elizabethan"
but he is an important figure in British music. As a singer I have performed
the Sea Symphony a number of times, including 2 commercial recordings. This
is a work that (just) pre-dates Mahler's 8th, and is not far behind it in
terms of scale which isn't bad for a first attempt at a symphony. There are
a number of other works by RVW that are unlikely to be leaving the concert
schedules here and abroad any time soon.

To my taste his work is outstanding. It has great beauty, and is
quintessentially English. And, although he was an agnostic, his work
is identifiably Christian.

How wonderful to be able perform his work. You are clearly gifted and
privileged. Sadly I have no musical ability.

During my many years in those United States, listening to his work
would take me back to my childhood in England.

Britten has been dead for 40 years,

Britten is cold, and I am not fond of him at all.

however Tippett

Not known to me. I will listen to some of his work.

was active right up
until he died 20 years ago so he is a far stronger candidate to represent
the earlier years of QE2's reign.

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On Sat, 02 Jan 2016 10:04:06 +0000
e27002 aurora wrote:
My issue with those people is how many of their followers became drug
users and died, or were permanently damaged. I have known two former
LSD users, who were from good backgrounds, but are mentally damaged
and will never lead normal lives.

Certain personality types are attracted to addictive or mind altering
substances or behaviours whether its drug taking, gambling or heavy drinking.
Its always been so and always will be so short of some mass eugenics program
to weed the guilty genes out of the population.

Now, they were responsible for their own actions. Let's just say
their chosen role models were sadly lacking.

Indeed they are responsible. If they want to do it thats up to them but I
personally don't see why my taxes should go to pick up the pieces of their
lives or health when it goes pear shaped.

--
Spud

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On Sat, 02 Jan 2016 12:53:31 GMT, d wrote:

On Sat, 02 Jan 2016 10:04:06 +0000
e27002 aurora wrote:
My issue with those people is how many of their followers became drug
users and died, or were permanently damaged. I have known two former
LSD users, who were from good backgrounds, but are mentally damaged
and will never lead normal lives.

Certain personality types are attracted to addictive or mind altering
substances or behaviours whether its drug taking, gambling or heavy drinking.
Its always been so and always will be so short of some mass eugenics program
to weed the guilty genes out of the population.

Now, they were responsible for their own actions. Let's just say
their chosen role models were sadly lacking.

Indeed they are responsible. If they want to do it thats up to them but I
personally don't see why my taxes should go to pick up the pieces of their
lives or health when it goes pear shaped.

Precisely. As always the taxpayer who uses his head is punished,
while the careless are rewarded.

This not the only circumstance under which HNG uses taxpayer's
hard-earned funds to remediate against others unsafe practices and
behaviors.

There is not a lot one can do about it.

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On 02.01.16 10:09, e27002 aurora wrote:
On Fri, 01 Jan 2016 16:28:32 -0600,
wrote:

In article , (Roland Perry)
wrote:

In message , at 14:11:06
on Fri, 1 Jan 2016, e27002 aurora remarked:

Not a councillor since 2014. I'm just a pensioner these days.

So, under the UK tradition you do not retain the title after your term
in office?

US tradition is slightly more familiar to me. Certain titles,
President, Congressman, Judge, remain with the holder after his term

It seems to happen in the ex-military, but not the sort of roles you
mention. I don't think people can even keep a title like "Professor"
unless elected to one of the few Emeritus Professorships.

Not sure about that, or else emeritus status is universal. I've never met
and ex-professor.

My brother is retiring as "Associate" Professor from a Canadian
University. I do not know how that relates to UK or US positions, or
what he will retain. I doubt he cares either way.

UK, I would imagine.

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"e27002 aurora" wrote

Not sure about that, or else emeritus status is universal. I've never met
and ex-professor.

My brother is retiring as "Associate" Professor from a Canadian
University. I do not know how that relates to UK or US positions, or
what he will retain. I doubt he cares either way.

Associate Professor translates to BritEng as "Reader".

--
Mike D

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Spud wrote

Indeed they are responsible. If they want to do it thats up to them but I
personally don't see why my taxes should go to pick up the pieces of their
lives or health when it goes pear shaped.

Happens all the time, think Mountain Rescue or the guy who drowned trying to
rescue his dog (usually the dog makes it) or any A&E admission. About the
only trace of the old system is the charge to Insurance companies when a
motorist is treated after an accident.

--
Mike D

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In article ,
(e27002 aurora) wrote:

On Fri, 01 Jan 2016 15:28:34 GMT, d wrote:

The Beatles were just the first boy band with all the accompanying
hysteria. Once all the baby boomers have shuffled off this mortal coil
they'll justjust another name in the musical history books. I doubt many
people under the age of 60 actually listens to them on a regular basis.

[There's something odd about your newsreader. I got none of the above text
in this post, just the headers which is why I'm commenting to Aurora's
comment because his browser did pick up your content. I can't see the
content of your reply to this message of his either.]

You're totally wrong about the Beatles if my family is anything to go by. My
daughters (29 and 23) are and always have been as keen on Beatles music as I
am and now my granddaughter (9) is too.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

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In article , (Michael R N
Dolbear) wrote:

"e27002 aurora" wrote

Not sure about that, or else emeritus status is universal. I've never
met and ex-professor.

My brother is retiring as "Associate" Professor from a Canadian
University. I do not know how that relates to UK or US positions, or
what he will retain. I doubt he cares either way.

Associate Professor translates to BritEng as "Reader".

There are emeritus readers these days though not in 1978 when my father
retired.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

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On Sat, 2 Jan 2016 15:13:46 -0000, "Michael R N Dolbear"
wrote:


"e27002 aurora" wrote

Not sure about that, or else emeritus status is universal. I've never met
and ex-professor.

My brother is retiring as "Associate" Professor from a Canadian
University. I do not know how that relates to UK or US positions, or
what he will retain. I doubt he cares either way.

Associate Professor translates to BritEng as "Reader".

Thank you Michael.

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On Sat, 02 Jan 2016 18:03:02 -0600,
wrote:

In article , (Michael R N
Dolbear) wrote:

"e27002 aurora" wrote

Not sure about that, or else emeritus status is universal. I've never
met and ex-professor.

My brother is retiring as "Associate" Professor from a Canadian
University. I do not know how that relates to UK or US positions, or
what he will retain. I doubt he cares either way.

Associate Professor translates to BritEng as "Reader".

There are emeritus readers these days though not in 1978 when my father
retired.

Whether the Canadians will grant "Associate Professorship Emeritus"
remains to be seen. I doubt he is bothered.

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On Sat, 02 Jan 2016 18:12:08 GMT, Anna Noyd-Dryver
wrote:

e27002 aurora wrote:
On Fri, 1 Jan 2016 11:32:56 +0000, Robert
wrote:


Er, the Hammersmith & City Railway (H&CR) was financed jointly by the
GWR and the Metropolitain Railway and opened in 1864. There is nothing
artificial about it.

Point taken. When I lived in London 40 years back, the H&C was simply
part of the Met. If TfL want to maintain the GWR connection how about
helping the longsuffering passengers and restoring the cross-platform
interchange at Paddington. Before the issue of crossing the 3rd and
4th rail tracks comes up, that could be avoided with a long single
track from Royal Oak to platform 16.


Cross platform for who? The small number if trains which would use the
particular platform adjacent to the H&C platform - which would not
necessarily be to consistent destinations. Besides which with the new
entrance to the H&C platforms you'd actually further inconvenience non-H&C
travellers who did want to use your platform 16 trains.

The Crossrail tunnel entrance, and lines from there to the Crossrail depot
at OOC, have/will change the railway geography in that area - access to
your 'long single line' ('cos they never cause operational problems or
limit terminal platform re-occupation times) isn't as easy as you seem to
think.


More than happy to take the word of you, a professional.

However, I would point out:
At one time commuters off the GM mainline could continue to stations
to Farringdon.

Later, they could do the same by crossing a platform at Paddington.
Now this is lost. It will be somewhat replaced by Crossrail.

Likewise someone wishing to travel between Ladbroke Grove to Southall
could change at Westbourne Park. Now the traveller has to go thru
Paddington.

It is almost as if there is a conscious effort to isolate the
Hammersmith Branch. :-)

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On Sat, 02 Jan 2016 10:25:21 -0600
wrote:
In article ,
(e27002 aurora) wrote:

On Fri, 01 Jan 2016 15:28:34 GMT, d wrote:

The Beatles were just the first boy band with all the accompanying
hysteria. Once all the baby boomers have shuffled off this mortal coil
they'll justjust another name in the musical history books. I doubt many
people under the age of 60 actually listens to them on a regular basis.

[There's something odd about your newsreader. I got none of the above text
in this post, just the headers which is why I'm commenting to Aurora's
comment because his browser did pick up your content. I can't see the
content of your reply to this message of his either.]

Probably a problem with the aioe nttp server which went off air over the new
year. Another of my posts seems to have completely vanished into the ether.

You're totally wrong about the Beatles if my family is anything to go by. My
daughters (29 and 23) are and always have been as keen on Beatles music as I
am and now my granddaughter (9) is too.

There are always exceptions. But in general the people who listen to the
pop music (this doesn't apply to classical or rock) of a certain era are
people who grew up in that era so the majority of people who listen to 60s
pop music would have had their formative years in that decade.

--
Spud

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On Sat, 2 Jan 2016 12:12:17 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Saturday, 2 January 2016 10:16:39 UTC, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 09:54:08 on
Sat, 2 Jan 2016, remarked:

I'm sure my Grandfather mentioned purchasing tickets at Hammersmith
Met station for onward travel by what we would now call National Rail,
he told me this circa 1969

You could buy tube+BR through tickets in those days, I did it
occasionally from central London to Mid-Essex for example.
--
Roland Perry

Can't comment about as long ago as 1969 but certainly in the 70s and 80s this was possible but, IIRC, only to destinations on lines where there was no-barrier interchange, eg the LTS, Watford DC and GN lines. I have examples of these in my collection. It was also possible to buy through tickets to SE and Central inner suburban destinations via New Cross and New Cross Gate.

At one time I did a weekly commute between Barnham and Brentwood. This
was before the days of cross London journey including the underground
portion of the ticked.

Somehow, it worked out well for me if I bought a Barnham to Victoria
return and then bought a Victoria to Brentwood ticket at the
underground ticket window.