Some butterfly valve has failed, and it's a recurring failure, happening
half a dozen times in the last three years according to the union reps,
or two or three times according to the management. Large numbers of
drivers are refusing to drive the trains and managers are being called
in on their rest days to handle the crisis. The valve is rumoured to be
connected with the doors. There's no mention of this on TfL's site.

Basil Jet wrote:
Some butterfly valve has failed, and it's a recurring failure, happening
half a dozen times in the last three years according to the union reps,
or two or three times according to the management. Large numbers of
drivers are refusing to drive the trains and managers are being called
in on their rest days to handle the crisis. The valve is rumoured to be
connected with the doors. There's no mention of this on TfL's site.

Presumably that's the reason the Picc is part-suspended this evening, "due
to a temporary shortage of train operators"?

Do you know what's the consequence of the butterfly valve failing?

On 2016\01\16 23:17, Recliner wrote:
Basil Jet wrote:
Some butterfly valve has failed, and it's a recurring failure, happening
half a dozen times in the last three years according to the union reps,
or two or three times according to the management. Large numbers of
drivers are refusing to drive the trains and managers are being called
in on their rest days to handle the crisis. The valve is rumoured to be
connected with the doors. There's no mention of this on TfL's site.

Presumably that's the reason the Picc is part-suspended this evening, "due
to a temporary shortage of train operators"?

Do you know what's the consequence of the butterfly valve failing?

Mongo only pawn in game of life.

Basil Jet wrote:
On 2016\01\16 23:17, Recliner wrote:
Basil Jet wrote:
Some butterfly valve has failed, and it's a recurring failure, happening
half a dozen times in the last three years according to the union reps,
or two or three times according to the management. Large numbers of
drivers are refusing to drive the trains and managers are being called
in on their rest days to handle the crisis. The valve is rumoured to be
connected with the doors. There's no mention of this on TfL's site.

Presumably that's the reason the Picc is part-suspended this evening, "due
to a temporary shortage of train operators"?

Do you know what's the consequence of the butterfly valve failing?

Mongo only pawn in game of life.

Saw this rather inconsistent Piccadilly line tweet this morning:
"Update: No service btn Uxbridge & Acton Town; Minor delays on rest due to
ice on the track in the Sudbury area & shortage of train operators."

If there's no service between Uxbridge and Acton Town because of a shortage
of train operators, I wonder why ice on the track in the Sudbury area would
be causing delays elsewhere?

On 16.01.16 23:17, Recliner wrote:
Basil Jet wrote:
Some butterfly valve has failed, and it's a recurring failure, happening
half a dozen times in the last three years according to the union reps,
or two or three times according to the management. Large numbers of
drivers are refusing to drive the trains and managers are being called
in on their rest days to handle the crisis. The valve is rumoured to be
connected with the doors. There's no mention of this on TfL's site.

Presumably that's the reason the Picc is part-suspended this evening, "due
to a temporary shortage of train operators"?

Do you know what's the consequence of the butterfly valve failing?

If it is the butterfly valve (the one that controls doors on each car,
right?) that has failed. Then why the big ordeal?

The train just needs to be pulled, so have the driver dump his load, hit
the interlock and be on his merry way?

wrote:
On 16.01.16 23:17, Recliner wrote:
Basil Jet wrote:
Some butterfly valve has failed, and it's a recurring failure, happening
half a dozen times in the last three years according to the union reps,
or two or three times according to the management. Large numbers of
drivers are refusing to drive the trains and managers are being called
in on their rest days to handle the crisis. The valve is rumoured to be
connected with the doors. There's no mention of this on TfL's site.

Presumably that's the reason the Picc is part-suspended this evening, "due
to a temporary shortage of train operators"?

Do you know what's the consequence of the butterfly valve failing?

If it is the butterfly valve (the one that controls doors on each car,
right?) that has failed. Then why the big ordeal?

The train just needs to be pulled, so have the driver dump his load, hit
the interlock and be on his merry way?

Latest Piccadilly line tweets:

(1/2) We are very sorry for the delays to Piccadilly line services this
weekend. Following an incident with one train door,
(2/2) we carried out checks on all of the fleet which shows that this was
an isolated incident.

On 17.01.16 17:13, Recliner wrote:
wrote:
On 16.01.16 23:17, Recliner wrote:
Basil Jet wrote:
Some butterfly valve has failed, and it's a recurring failure, happening
half a dozen times in the last three years according to the union reps,
or two or three times according to the management. Large numbers of
drivers are refusing to drive the trains and managers are being called
in on their rest days to handle the crisis. The valve is rumoured to be
connected with the doors. There's no mention of this on TfL's site.

Presumably that's the reason the Picc is part-suspended this evening, "due
to a temporary shortage of train operators"?

Do you know what's the consequence of the butterfly valve failing?

If it is the butterfly valve (the one that controls doors on each car,
right?) that has failed. Then why the big ordeal?

The train just needs to be pulled, so have the driver dump his load, hit
the interlock and be on his merry way?

Latest Piccadilly line tweets:

(1/2) We are very sorry for the delays to Piccadilly line services this
weekend. Following an incident with one train door,
(2/2) we carried out checks on all of the fleet which shows that this was
an isolated incident.


Oh for f* sake! These things happen! Why do they have to make a big
thing out of one simple little malfunction? Just dump the load, get the
train bank to a depot and fix the door. It probably just needs a good
kick in any event.

On 17.01.16 17:59, Paul Corfield wrote:
On Sun, 17 Jan 2016 16:18:59 +0000, "
wrote:

On 16.01.16 23:17, Recliner wrote:
Basil Jet wrote:
Some butterfly valve has failed, and it's a recurring failure, happening
half a dozen times in the last three years according to the union reps,
or two or three times according to the management. Large numbers of
drivers are refusing to drive the trains and managers are being called
in on their rest days to handle the crisis. The valve is rumoured to be
connected with the doors. There's no mention of this on TfL's site.

Presumably that's the reason the Picc is part-suspended this evening, "due
to a temporary shortage of train operators"?

Do you know what's the consequence of the butterfly valve failing?

If it is the butterfly valve (the one that controls doors on each car,
right?) that has failed. Then why the big ordeal?

The "butterfly cock" as I knew the term was the switch on the side of
trains that allow doors to be opened in an emergency.


Not even an emergency. I've seen them used when a driver wants to access
the car and doesn't feel like going through the cab.

It seems there has been a fleetwide inspection, as is normal, and LU
are saying it was an isolated incident. Seems the drivers from RMT and
ASLEF are not reassured. RMT are alleging a series of fleet problems
over the last year.

Why have we not heard more about this, however?

wrote:
On 17.01.16 17:59, Paul Corfield wrote:
On Sun, 17 Jan 2016 16:18:59 +0000, "
wrote:

On 16.01.16 23:17, Recliner wrote:
Basil Jet wrote:
Some butterfly valve has failed, and it's a recurring failure, happening
half a dozen times in the last three years according to the union reps,
or two or three times according to the management. Large numbers of
drivers are refusing to drive the trains and managers are being called
in on their rest days to handle the crisis. The valve is rumoured to be
connected with the doors. There's no mention of this on TfL's site.

Presumably that's the reason the Picc is part-suspended this evening, "due
to a temporary shortage of train operators"?

Do you know what's the consequence of the butterfly valve failing?

If it is the butterfly valve (the one that controls doors on each car,
right?) that has failed. Then why the big ordeal?

The "butterfly cock" as I knew the term was the switch on the side of
trains that allow doors to be opened in an emergency.


Not even an emergency. I've seen them used when a driver wants to access
the car and doesn't feel like going through the cab.

It seems there has been a fleetwide inspection, as is normal, and LU
are saying it was an isolated incident. Seems the drivers from RMT and
ASLEF are not reassured. RMT are alleging a series of fleet problems
over the last year.

Why have we not heard more about this, however?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-35337580

On 2016\01\17 22:14, Recliner wrote:
wrote:
On 17.01.16 17:59, Paul Corfield wrote:
On Sun, 17 Jan 2016 16:18:59 +0000, "
wrote:

On 16.01.16 23:17, Recliner wrote:
Basil Jet wrote:
Some butterfly valve has failed, and it's a recurring failure, happening
half a dozen times in the last three years according to the union reps,
or two or three times according to the management. Large numbers of
drivers are refusing to drive the trains and managers are being called
in on their rest days to handle the crisis. The valve is rumoured to be
connected with the doors. There's no mention of this on TfL's site.

Presumably that's the reason the Picc is part-suspended this evening, "due
to a temporary shortage of train operators"?

Do you know what's the consequence of the butterfly valve failing?

If it is the butterfly valve (the one that controls doors on each car,
right?) that has failed. Then why the big ordeal?

The "butterfly cock" as I knew the term was the switch on the side of
trains that allow doors to be opened in an emergency.


Not even an emergency. I've seen them used when a driver wants to access
the car and doesn't feel like going through the cab.

It seems there has been a fleetwide inspection, as is normal, and LU
are saying it was an isolated incident. Seems the drivers from RMT and
ASLEF are not reassured. RMT are alleging a series of fleet problems
over the last year.

Why have we not heard more about this, however?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-35337580

And this from 2013.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-24644265