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On Thu, 21 Jan 2016 14:29:27 +0000
Basil Jet wrote: On 2016\01\21 09:29, d wrote: On Wed, 20 Jan 2016 20:29:45 +0000 Basil Jet wrote: Why don't you just google for the answers you got the last half dozen times you asked that. Why don't you butt out of a thread you have nothing to add to? Why don't you butt out of a newsgroup you have nothing to add to? Unlike you with your erudite contributions you mean? If you actually say something interesting one day we'll be able to hear the collective gasps echoing around the city. -- Spud |
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In message , at 17:06:50 on Thu, 21 Jan
2016, Steve Fitzgerald ] remarked: but most people agree that train drivers are overpaid for their four day week. If only! Which bit? The overpaid (compared to average wages then it could be argued yes) or the 4 day week? If the latter: http://www.standard.co.uk/news/trans...d-500-and-four -day-work-week-in-bid-to-avert-strikes-over-night-tube-a3161856.html The 4 day week. There has never been a 4 day week on LU unless you work part time. My original remark was about National Rail. A 5 day 36 hour week currently, 7hrs a day. Wow! and the offer is a 4 day 36 hour week. -- Roland Perry |
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Steve Fitzgerald ] wrote:
In message , Roland Perry writes The 4 day week. There has never been a 4 day week on LU unless you work part time. My original remark was about National Rail. A 5 day 36 hour week currently, 7hrs a day. Wow! 7 hours 12 mins actually but that was not the point. and the offer is a 4 day 36 hour week. So moving to 9 hour days with all the potential fatigue issues that involves... Presumably there are multiple breaks and rest periods during the shift? |
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On 21/01/2016 21:48, Recliner wrote:
Steve Fitzgerald ] wrote: In message , Roland Perry writes The 4 day week. There has never been a 4 day week on LU unless you work part time. My original remark was about National Rail. A 5 day 36 hour week currently, 7hrs a day. Wow! 7 hours 12 mins actually but that was not the point. and the offer is a 4 day 36 hour week. So moving to 9 hour days with all the potential fatigue issues that involves... Presumably there are multiple breaks and rest periods during the shift? According to some here, there are breaks about every 2 minutes once the button has been pushed to go to the next station... |
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"Roland Perry" wrote in message ... In message , at 20:04:56 on Wed, 20 Jan 2016, tim..... remarked: try working as a junior doctor for 70 hours a week making life and death decisions on possibly an hourly basis Not to mention the nine years training, and having to be "AAA" at A- level material. I don't think that's a "have to", it's just a convenient filter. IME there's no equivalent academic expectation in many other countries for "entry level" doctors. Entry to medical training in the UK is highly competitive and greatly (I've seen as much as 10x) oversubscribed. I know that's why they *can* use AAA as a filter and still get to select on other criteria All you've done is confirm my statement snip the rest as it added nothing at all of relevance to my comment tim |
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wrote in message ... On Wed, 20 Jan 2016 20:04:56 -0000 "tim....." wrote: "Roland Perry" wrote in message ... In message , at 11:18:34 on Wed, 20 Jan 2016, d remarked: try working as a junior doctor for 70 hours a week making life and death decisions on possibly an hourly basis Not to mention the nine years training, and having to be "AAA" at A-level material. I don't think that's a "have to", it's just a convenient filter. IME there's no equivalent academic expectation in many other countries for "entry level" doctors. If you're talking some 3rd world dump Nope, some EU countries then no doubt, but one would hope most if not all western nations do initial selection on candidates based on intellectual ability. On appropriate aptitude certainly, but being a doctor out in the real world doesn't require many of the skills that "passing exams" test. tim |
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"Steve Fitzgerald" ] wrote in message ... In message , Roland Perry writes The 4 day week. There has never been a 4 day week on LU unless you work part time. My original remark was about National Rail. A 5 day 36 hour week currently, 7hrs a day. Wow! 7 hours 12 mins actually but that was not the point. and the offer is a 4 day 36 hour week. So moving to 9 hour days with all the potential fatigue issues that involves... In that case the union shouldn't be asking for it, should they? If what the union really want is a 4 day 30 hour week they they should say so (and make sure that they are wearing their tin hats when the do - because they would certainly take a thrashing from the public if they did!) tim -- Steve Fitzgerald has now left the building. You will find him in London's Docklands, E16, UK (please use the reply to address for email) |
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a week was regarded as more than enough and the general aspiration was to aim for about 35 hours a week. It shows how far our country has deteriorated that a 36 hour week is seen by some as a pampered holiday existence. |
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On Fri, 22 Jan 2016 10:40:36 -0000
"tim....." wrote: wrote in message ... If you're talking some 3rd world dump Nope, some EU countries Which ones? then no doubt, but one would hope most if not all western nations do initial selection on candidates based on intellectual ability. On appropriate aptitude certainly, but being a doctor out in the real world doesn't require many of the skills that "passing exams" test. What, skills like knowledge, critical thinking & logical deduction? There's more to being a doctor than empathising - any idiot can do that. The fact that trainee doctors do boatloads of exams as they progress I think says it all. -- Spud |
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On 20/01/2016 21:32, Roland Perry wrote:
The biggest problem was getting the school to agree to let her drop General Studies (which was virtually compulsory), but simply a way to easily increase a school's league table results - however clearly cuts no ice with the major universities. In my day (mid-1990s) General Studies was compulsory at my school, and when I enquired about not doing it - or at least not turning up to the lessons, and just sitting the exam - I was told that this was not permitted (in retrospect, I wonder if they could/would really have kicked someone out over it?). There seemed to be a sincere belief that universities would choose an applicant with lower grades in proper subjects but with General Studies over someone with better grades (and possibly also Further Maths) but without General Studies. Are (were?) there any universities where this was actually the case, I wonder? -- Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK |
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"Steve Fitzgerald" ] wrote in message ... In message -sept ember.org, Recliner writes A 5 day 36 hour week currently, 7hrs a day. Wow! 7 hours 12 mins actually but that was not the point. and the offer is a 4 day 36 hour week. So moving to 9 hour days with all the potential fatigue issues that involves... Presumably there are multiple breaks and rest periods during the shift? Feel free to presume that. There is nothing extra offered other than the standard 30 minute unpaid meal break that I am aware of. all I can do is repeat my question that has been ignored If the drivers think it unsafe, why are the union asking for it? tim |
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tim..... wrote:
A 5 day 36 hour week currently, 7hrs a day. Wow! 7 hours 12 mins actually but that was not the point. and the offer is a 4 day 36 hour week. So moving to 9 hour days with all the potential fatigue issues that involves... Presumably there are multiple breaks and rest periods during the shift? Feel free to presume that. There is nothing extra offered other than the standard 30 minute unpaid meal break that I am aware of. all I can do is repeat my question that has been ignored If the drivers think it unsafe, why are the union asking for it? Some drivers would prefer 4 longer days, others prefer 5 shorter days. Presumably the majority are in the former group, otherwise ASLEF wouldn't be pushing for it. Many NR TOCs already have a 4 days week. Peter Smyth |
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"Peter Smyth" wrote in message ... tim..... wrote: A 5 day 36 hour week currently, 7hrs a day. Wow! 7 hours 12 mins actually but that was not the point. and the offer is a 4 day 36 hour week. So moving to 9 hour days with all the potential fatigue issues that involves... Presumably there are multiple breaks and rest periods during the shift? Feel free to presume that. There is nothing extra offered other than the standard 30 minute unpaid meal break that I am aware of. all I can do is repeat my question that has been ignored If the drivers think it unsafe, why are the union asking for it? Some drivers would prefer 4 longer days, others prefer 5 shorter days. Presumably the majority are in the former group, otherwise ASLEF wouldn't be pushing for it. Many NR TOCs already have a 4 days week. as 9+ hour days in a 7 day week? Or as part of a move to "Sunday as a normal day": 8 hour days, 4 on, 2 off, 4 on, 2 off...? tim Peter Smyth |
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In message , at 11:35:05 on Sun, 24 Jan
2016, tim..... remarked: Many NR TOCs already have a 4 days week. as 9+ hour days in a 7 day week? Or as part of a move to "Sunday as a normal day": 8 hour days, 4 on, 2 off, 4 on, 2 off...? AIUI it's four days on, three days off, plus some lucrative overtime on a Sunday because that's no-one's official "day on". There's also apparently 40 days holiday a year, but I'm not sure if that equates to 40/4=10 weeks, or the 40/5=8 weeks that most other workers would expect it to translate to. -- Roland Perry |
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"Roland Perry" wrote in message ... In message , at 11:35:05 on Sun, 24 Jan 2016, tim..... remarked: Many NR TOCs already have a 4 days week. as 9+ hour days in a 7 day week? Or as part of a move to "Sunday as a normal day": 8 hour days, 4 on, 2 off, 4 on, 2 off...? AIUI it's four days on, three days off, plus some lucrative overtime on a Sunday because that's no-one's official "day on". There's also apparently 40 days holiday a year, but I'm not sure if that equates to 40/4=10 weeks, or the 40/5=8 weeks that most other workers would expect it to translate to. I bet there's a queue outside the door of this ToC, because my source tells me that not all are nearly this generous tim |
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On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 11:06:10PM +0000, Arthur Figgis wrote:
On 20/01/2016 21:32, Roland Perry wrote: The biggest problem was getting the school to agree to let her drop General Studies (which was virtually compulsory), but simply a way to easily increase a school's league table results - however clearly cuts no ice with the major universities. In my day (mid-1990s) General Studies was compulsory at my school In my day (early 90s) it was compulsory if you were only doing three A-levels. I never asked, but I presume that the justification was that the school's insurers didn't want a load of teenagers with loads of free time goofing off and doing stupid ****. when I enquired about not doing it - or at least not turning up to the lessons, and just sitting the exam There was an exam? -- David Cantrell | top google result for "topless karaoke murders" Support terrierism! Adopt a dog today! |
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It was the other way round at my school - there were no General Studies lessons, but everyone had to take the exam (2x3hr papers).
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