In message , at 11:18:34 on Wed, 20 Jan
2016, d remarked:

try working as a junior doctor for 70 hours a week making life and death
decisions on possibly an hourly basis

Not to mention the nine years training, and having to be "AAA" at
A-level material.
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Roland Perry

On 2016\01\20 09:42, d wrote:
On Wed, 20 Jan 2016 09:39:22 +0100
Robin9 wrote:
d;153328 Wrote:

Unfortunately Goldsmith is a bit of a non-entity so Khan
has a good chance of winning.

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Spud

Semantic casuistry time: Mr. Goldsmith isn't a non-entity;
he's a non-event sitting on a pile of unearned money. He
has established a definite public persona: "committed", wimpish
and negative, and he has gained much media attention so he's
not - alas - a non-entity.

Well , call him what you like but he's not mayoral material (and neither is
Khan). You have to wonder if the Tory party want to lose the election by
choosing him. Perhaps Cameron can't be arsed with yet another greasy pole
climber nipping at his heals like Boris has done so is prepared to let Labour
win since the Mayor doesn't have much genuine power anyway.

Cameron won't lead the Tories into another GE, Pig-gate put paid to
that, so I don't think that's his motive.

On Wed, 20 Jan 2016 12:53:23 +0000, Basil Jet
wrote:

On 2016\01\20 09:42, d wrote:
On Wed, 20 Jan 2016 09:39:22 +0100
Robin9 wrote:
d;153328 Wrote:

Unfortunately Goldsmith is a bit of a non-entity so Khan
has a good chance of winning.

--
Spud

Semantic casuistry time: Mr. Goldsmith isn't a non-entity;
he's a non-event sitting on a pile of unearned money. He
has established a definite public persona: "committed", wimpish
and negative, and he has gained much media attention so he's
not - alas - a non-entity.

Well , call him what you like but he's not mayoral material (and neither is
Khan). You have to wonder if the Tory party want to lose the election by
choosing him. Perhaps Cameron can't be arsed with yet another greasy pole
climber nipping at his heals like Boris has done so is prepared to let Labour
win since the Mayor doesn't have much genuine power anyway.

Cameron won't lead the Tories into another GE, Pig-gate put paid to
that, so I don't think that's his motive.

Cameron announced during the GE campaign that he'd step down before
the following GE, as he though that ten years was too long at the top.
So it's no secret that he'll go in around 2019, when he'll have done
nine years as PM, and Tory leader for 14 years.

Nothing to do with the later, unsourced, and almost certainly invented
tale in Ashcroft's revenge ("I donated so much money that I expected a
big job") book. Pig-gate was nothing to do with Cameron, and just
served to damage the reputations of the authors the book, Ashcroft and
Isabel Oakeshott.

The problem with the mayor's job is that it doesn't really lead
anywhere, so most of the heavy hitters don't want it. Boris had to
have his arm twisted to stand the first time, and as they were in
opposition at the time, he liked the idea of being the most important
elected Tory in the country.

Now they're in power, you wouldn't find any senior London Tory
ministers wanting to stand for the job. Also, London voters seem to
prefer maverick mayors anyway, which might help Zac once his campaign
actually gets underway (he's certainly had a slow start). I suppose
there might be the implied promise that he will be able to get more
investment from the government than a Labour mayor would, which is
more than likely true.

London also seems to elect mayors with a slightly racy side to them,
and Zac fits that bill better than boring family man Sadiq:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...0m-payout.html

On Wed, 20 Jan 2016 13:39:34 +0000
Recliner wrote:
London also seems to elect mayors with a slightly racy side to them,
and Zac fits that bill better than boring family man Sadiq:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...oldsmith-admit
-adultery-wife-divorces-days-Election--faces-100m-payout.html

Looking the the drop dead gorgeous wife and then the Ms Plain Jane mistress
you have to question the mans judgement somewhat. Or eyesight at least!

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Spud

On 2016\01\20 13:57, d wrote:
On Wed, 20 Jan 2016 13:39:34 +0000
Recliner wrote:
London also seems to elect mayors with a slightly racy side to them,
and Zac fits that bill better than boring family man Sadiq:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...oldsmith-admit
-adultery-wife-divorces-days-Election--faces-100m-payout.html

Looking the the drop dead gorgeous wife and then the Ms Plain Jane mistress
you have to question the mans judgement somewhat. Or eyesight at least!

That's not very nice... hang on, she did cheat with a married man, so I
suppose we don't have to be nice to her... err.. let me see... oh yeah.
clears throat

"I always wondered what the clown balloon from the testcard was doing
these days"

On 2016-01-20, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 22:10:25 on Tue, 19
Jan 2016, Eric remarked:

[Train drivers]

overpaid is a matter of opinion. And anyone who has that opinion should
spend a few full shifts in the cab.

You could also say that about nurses in A&E and constables on the beat.
Both of whom earn about half that of a train driver.

Of course you could. OK then, overpaid and underpaid are both a matter
of opinion, and in many cases that opinion could be modified by spending
significant time observing the job concerned.

Eric
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ms fnd in a lbry

In message , at 16:46:56 on Wed, 20
Jan 2016, Eric remarked:
[Train drivers]

overpaid is a matter of opinion. And anyone who has that opinion should
spend a few full shifts in the cab.

You could also say that about nurses in A&E and constables on the beat.
Both of whom earn about half that of a train driver.

Of course you could. OK then, overpaid and underpaid are both a matter
of opinion, and in many cases that opinion could be modified by spending
significant time observing the job concerned.

I also observe the existence of closed shops, and the effect that has on
wages.
--
Roland Perry

Eric wrote:
On 2016-01-20, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 22:10:25 on Tue, 19
Jan 2016, Eric remarked:

[Train drivers]

overpaid is a matter of opinion. And anyone who has that opinion should
spend a few full shifts in the cab.

You could also say that about nurses in A&E and constables on the beat.
Both of whom earn about half that of a train driver.

Of course you could. OK then, overpaid and underpaid are both a matter
of opinion, and in many cases that opinion could be modified by spending
significant time observing the job concerned.

Even better, open up recruitment to anyone who wants to apply, not just
existing staff. That way the market can decide whether the job is over or
underpaid, so we won't need to rely on opinion.

How many weeks training are needed to become an LU driver?

On Wed, 20 Jan 2016 16:46:56 +0100
Eric wrote:
On 2016-01-20, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 22:10:25 on Tue, 19
Jan 2016, Eric remarked:

[Train drivers]

overpaid is a matter of opinion. And anyone who has that opinion should
spend a few full shifts in the cab.

You could also say that about nurses in A&E and constables on the beat.
Both of whom earn about half that of a train driver.

Of course you could. OK then, overpaid and underpaid are both a matter
of opinion, and in many cases that opinion could be modified by spending
significant time observing the job concerned.

So other than getting up for early shifts occasionally (which many other
jobs require), fill us in on what is so taxing about the job of a tube driver
that justifies them being paid twice as much as a nurse or a bus driver or a
police constable. Obviously theres some incredibly intellectually or physically
demanding part of the job that we're just not aware of so please tell us what
it is.

--
Spud

"Roland Perry" wrote in message
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In message , at 11:18:34 on Wed, 20 Jan
2016, d remarked:

try working as a junior doctor for 70 hours a week making life and death
decisions on possibly an hourly basis

Not to mention the nine years training, and having to be "AAA" at A-level
material.

I don't think that's a "have to", it's just a convenient filter. IME
there's no equivalent academic expectation in many other countries for
"entry level" doctors.

tim