On 15/02/2016 15:51, Mark wrote:
On Monday, 15 February 2016 14:55:06 UTC, wrote:
Can you imagine any tube line being
closed for that many consecutive days now unless there had been a major
incident?

Yes, the Victoria line was closed from Seven Sisters to Walthamstow for 3 weeks last summer.

Closed all the way from Highbury down to Shadwell. Since TfL were apparently
too shortsighted to specify reversing points at Shortditch High Street when
the line was built and the route of crossrail was already known.

9 days seems a long time for trains to be cut off from their depot. Where would they be stabled and cleaned, and where would the drivers book on? (And where would they park their cars!)

Where does the NLL get its trains from? Surely for 9 days they could
rotate some of the sets in and out and guard them in stations overnight
or whatever?

On Mon, 15 Feb 2016 07:51:10 -0800 (PST)
Mark wrote:
On Monday, 15 February 2016 14:55:06 UTC, wrote:
Can you imagine any tube line being
closed for that many consecutive days now unless there had been a major
incident?

Yes, the Victoria line was closed from Seven Sisters to Walthamstow for 3
weeks last summer.

Ok, major incident or major track repairs. And each of the affected stations
had an NR alternative. The closure of the ELL is nothing to do with the ELL
itself. Even a shuttle train would be better than nothing. But I guess its
easier to close the whole thing and sod the travelling public.

Closed all the way from Highbury down to Shadwell. Since TfL were apparently
too shortsighted to specify reversing points at Shortditch High Street when
the line was built and the route of crossrail was already known.

9 days seems a long time for trains to be cut off from their depot. Where
would they be stabled and cleaned, and where would the drivers book on? (And
where would they park their cars!)

Use the NLL depots obviously.

--
Spud

On 2016-02-15 12:06:25 +0000, d said:

I see the ELL is closed it for 9 days. I had my suspicions that it wasn't being
taken seriously as a transport link by TfL given its slow service and poor
timetable, and this rather proves it. Can you imagine any tube line being
closed for that many consecutive days now unless there had been a major
incident?


It's closed because of one of the largest civil engineering projects
ever in Europe. As you don't use it anyway, you will not be
inconvenienced.

E.

On 2016\02\15 16:30, d wrote:
On Mon, 15 Feb 2016 07:51:10 -0800 (PST)
Mark wrote:
On Monday, 15 February 2016 14:55:06 UTC, wrote:
Can you imagine any tube line being
closed for that many consecutive days now unless there had been a major
incident?

Yes, the Victoria line was closed from Seven Sisters to Walthamstow for 3
weeks last summer.

Ok, major incident or major track repairs. And each of the affected stations
had an NR alternative. The closure of the ELL is nothing to do with the ELL
itself. Even a shuttle train would be better than nothing. But I guess its
easier to close the whole thing and sod the travelling public.

Closed all the way from Highbury down to Shadwell. Since TfL were apparently
too shortsighted to specify reversing points at Shortditch High Street when
the line was built and the route of crossrail was already known.

9 days seems a long time for trains to be cut off from their depot. Where
would they be stabled and cleaned, and where would the drivers book on? (And
where would they park their cars!)

Use the NLL depots obviously.

Loads of space in them, is there? (I don't know if there is.)

In article , (Someone
Somewhere) wrote:

On 15/02/2016 14:28, Basil Jet wrote:
On 2016\02\15 13:09, Someone Somewhere wrote:
On 15/02/2016 13:02, Someone Somewhere wrote:
On 15/02/2016 12:06, d wrote:
I see the ELL is closed it for 9 days. I had my suspicions that it
wasn't being taken seriously as a transport link by TfL given its
slow service and poor timetable, and this rather proves it. Can you
imagine any tube line being closed for that many consecutive days now
unless there had been a major incident?

Aren't they putting in place the new concourse at Whitechapel as part
of the station rebuilding to support Crossrail? That's a fairly major
piece of engineering, which can affect other lines - look at what's
going to happen to Bank in a few years time...

And in any case, it's only really the new bit (plus Whitechapel to
Shadwell) which is shut - you can get under the river for once.

There you go - there's even a nice information sheet on it:

http://74f85f59f39b887b696f-ab656259...23.cf3.rackcdn.
com/assets/library/document/c/original/c512-xrl-z-xbu-d061-50180-whitechapel_
station_closures_february_16.pdf

(here's a shortened version of the link http://bit.ly/1QgLyAI )

Available in many different languages should you so choose!

I'd be fascinated to know why "Crossrail" is spelled in the Latin
alphabet for Chinese, Greek, Gujurati and Urdu readers, but not for
Arabic, Bengali, Hindi, Punjabi and Tamil readers.

I'm thinking of ordering it in Welsh - do you think they will provide
it, as it is one of the UKs official languages? (I think it and
English are the only two)

On your other point, discussing with someone who works in
translation, this sort of thing would normally have been agreed in
advance and harmonised between all the different translations, but
that doesn't appear to have been the case here....

And why none in Farsi? Iran appears to have acquired some Crossrail trains
(as shown on Twitter last week).

--
Colin Rosenstiel

In article , (Basil Jet)
wrote:

On 2016\02\15 16:30, d wrote:
On Mon, 15 Feb 2016 07:51:10 -0800 (PST)
Mark wrote:
On Monday, 15 February 2016 14:55:06 UTC, wrote:
Can you imagine any tube line being
closed for that many consecutive days now unless there had been a
major incident?

Yes, the Victoria line was closed from Seven Sisters to Walthamstow for
3 weeks last summer.

Ok, major incident or major track repairs. And each of the affected
stations had an NR alternative. The closure of the ELL is nothing to do
with the ELL itself. Even a shuttle train would be better than nothing.
But I guess its easier to close the whole thing and sod the travelling
public.

Closed all the way from Highbury down to Shadwell. Since TfL were
apparently too shortsighted to specify reversing points at Shortditch
High Street when the line was built and the route of crossrail was
already known.

9 days seems a long time for trains to be cut off from their depot.
Where would they be stabled and cleaned, and where would the drivers
book on? (And where would they park their cars!)

Use the NLL depots obviously.

Loads of space in them, is there? (I don't know if there is.)

They may now be regretting that the link to the NLL at Highbury & Islington
has never been commissioned because of the complications of the two
electrification systems. But available it is not so there is no way to run a
shuttle, even if Shoreditch High Street had a handy crossover.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

"Someone Somewhere" wrote i
On 15/02/2016 14:28, Basil Jet wrote:

Available in many different languages should you so choose!

I'd be fascinated to know why "Crossrail" is spelled in the Latin
alphabet for Chinese, Greek, Gujurati and Urdu readers, but not for
Arabic, Bengali, Hindi, Punjabi and Tamil readers.

I'm thinking of ordering it in Welsh - do you think they will provide
it, as it is one of the UKs official languages? (I think it and English
are the only two)

** Add Scottish Gaelic

On your other point, discussing with someone who works in translation,
this sort of thing would normally have been agreed in advance and
harmonised between all the different translations, but that doesn't
appear to have been the case here....

That may be the neat way but the best way depends on what readers of each
language are accustomed to see for which you might have to check newspapers
and indeed other leaflets.

Greek road vehicle number plates are Latin alphabet (except the Greek army
uses Greek).


--
Mike D

On Mon, 15 Feb 2016 18:44:38 +0000
eastender wrote:
On 2016-02-15 12:06:25 +0000, d said:

I see the ELL is closed it for 9 days. I had my suspicions that it wasn't
being
taken seriously as a transport link by TfL given its slow service and poor
timetable, and this rather proves it. Can you imagine any tube line being
closed for that many consecutive days now unless there had been a major
incident?


It's closed because of one of the largest civil engineering projects
ever in Europe. As you don't use it anyway, you will not be
inconvenienced.

No, its closed because TfL don't believe in installing reversing points.
To close 3 miles of the line that could satisfactorily operated otherwise
just because of work at one station is pathetic.

--
Spud

On Mon, 15 Feb 2016 18:25:52 -0600
wrote:
In article , (Basil Jet)
wrote:
Loads of space in them, is there? (I don't know if there is.)

They may now be regretting that the link to the NLL at Highbury & Islington
has never been commissioned because of the complications of the two
electrification systems. But available it is not so there is no way to run a
shuttle, even if Shoreditch High Street had a handy crossover.

What complications? The NLL itself switches between overhead and 3rd rail.
That aside, they could store a couple of units overnight at Dalston Junction
for the 9 days and hire a security guard. But obviously thats not going to
happen with TfLs Can't-Do culture.

--
Spud

On 16 Feb 2016, d wrote
(in article ):

On Mon, 15 Feb 2016 18:44:38 +0000
eastender wrote:
On 2016-02-15 12:06:25 +0000, d said:

I see the ELL is closed it for 9 days. I had my suspicions that it wasn't
being
taken seriously as a transport link by TfL given its slow service and
poor
timetable, and this rather proves it. Can you imagine any tube line being
closed for that many consecutive days now unless there had been a major
incident?


It's closed because of one of the largest civil engineering projects
ever in Europe. As you don't use it anyway, you will not be
inconvenienced.

No, its closed because TfL don't believe in installing reversing points.
To close 3 miles of the line that could satisfactorily operated otherwise
just because of work at one station is pathetic.

Presumably you DO believe in paying a £6 (or might it be a tenner?)
single-zone fare to fund lots of enhancements.

Would you prefer to share the cost across all London households, charging us
an extra few quid on monthly council tax?

If lots of people agree, maybe TfL could set up a system enhancements
charitable trust to which you could all make monthly donations!

Of course, if we had a different political system (France, NL, Germany?) we
might have the optimum urban rail networks, rather than the affordable
versions. OTOH, if we had another different political system (USA?) we might
have ALMOST NO urban rail networks.

Choice.