In message , d wrote:
Can you imagine any tube line being
closed for that many consecutive days now unless there had been a major
incident?

Yes. Some examples (not an exhaustive list):

2009: Stonebridge Park to Queen's Park for 10 days.
2011: High Street Kensington to Edgware Road for about a month.
2012: Newbury Park to Grange Hill for 8 days.
2014: Uxbridge to Rayners Lane for over 3 weeks.
2014: Bow Church to Stratford for 10 days.
2015: Walthamstow Central to Seven Sisters for 3 weeks.

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In message , d wrote:
Oh please. 1 set of points that would hardly ever be used would require
minimal maintenance compared to the ones at Dalston and Highbury.

The sort of minimal maintenance that led to the fatal Grayrigg
derailment?

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On 17/02/2016 22:56, Clive D. W. Feather wrote:

In message , d wrote:
Can you imagine any tube line being closed for that many
consecutive days now unless there had been a major incident?

Yes. Some examples (not an exhaustive list):

2009: Stonebridge Park to Queen's Park for 10 days.
2011: High Street Kensington to Edgware Road for about a month.
2012: Newbury Park to Grange Hill for 8 days.
2014: Uxbridge to Rayners Lane for over 3 weeks.
2014: Bow Church to Stratford for 10 days.
2015: Walthamstow Central to Seven Sisters for 3 weeks.


Thank you Clive.

On Wed, 17 Feb 2016 17:53:21 +0000
Mizter T wrote:
On 17/02/2016 09:21, d wrote:

On Tue, 16 Feb 2016 23:21:30 +0000
Mizter T wrote:
On 15/02/2016 12:06, d wrote:
I see the ELL is closed it for 9 days. I had my suspicions that it wasn't
being taken seriously as a transport link by TfL given its slow service
and poor timetable, and this rather proves it. Can you imagine any tube
line being closed for that many consecutive days now unless there had
been a major incident?


You're such a plonker.

I'll take that as a complement, coming from the man who sets the benchmark
of it on here.

I do, do I?

You make quite a good case for moderated forums Mr S. tuberosum.

Oh dear, toys out the pram again?

You make a good case why there shouldn't be moderation. You don't like it
when people disagree with you and you REALLY can't stand it when your idiotic
witterings arn't treated with the holy respect and reverence you think they
deserve and dare to argue a point with you so of course what you want is a nice
friendly moderator who's on your side.

I think you're whats technically known in sociology circles as a "dickhead".

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On Wed, 17 Feb 2016 22:57:15 +0000
"Clive D. W. Feather" wrote:
In message , d wrote:
Oh please. 1 set of points that would hardly ever be used would require
minimal maintenance compared to the ones at Dalston and Highbury.

The sort of minimal maintenance that led to the fatal Grayrigg
derailment?

Are LO planning on raising the speed at Shorditch to 125mph then?

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On Wed, 17 Feb 2016 22:56:28 +0000
"Clive D. W. Feather" wrote:
In message , d wrote:
Can you imagine any tube line being
closed for that many consecutive days now unless there had been a major
incident?

Yes. Some examples (not an exhaustive list):

2009: Stonebridge Park to Queen's Park for 10 days.
2011: High Street Kensington to Edgware Road for about a month.
2012: Newbury Park to Grange Hill for 8 days.
2014: Uxbridge to Rayners Lane for over 3 weeks.
2014: Bow Church to Stratford for 10 days.
2015: Walthamstow Central to Seven Sisters for 3 weeks.

And exactly how many of those had nothing to do with the line itself but
was due to other work going on?

Though it does prove TfL and LU are ****ing useless at major works. On the
mainline for a long closure thats not safety related they do generally single
line running and do one track at a time. It seems thats too complex for LU.

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d wrote:
On Wed, 17 Feb 2016 16:33:55 +0000
Mike Bristow wrote:
I don't have a good grasp of the cost/benefit ratio of your proposed
scheme. I don't think you do, either. But feel free to prove me
wrong by estimating the cost of installing - and maintaing for a
decade, say - a set of points, and the benefit of doing so - again,
expressed in cost terms.

Feel free to tell me why the actual cost matters, rather than as a percentage
of the total cost of the ELLX.

Becuase spending £1,000,000 for a £2,000,000 benefit is worth doing.
But changing the plan so you spend £1,000,001 for a £1,999,999
benefit means your change isn't worth having. Or changing the plan
so you spend £1,000,001 for a £2,000,000.01 benefit makes your
change daft.

Don't forget to include the cost of increased delays when the points
fail. Obviously, you'll know the MTBF for points - I'd be interested
in knowing what that is, as it happens, so can you share your
estimate for that, too?

I imagine the MTBF would be the same as other sets on that line. When was
the last time any of them failed and the line had to be closed because of it?

So you don't know? How can you estimate the disbenefit of additional
points if you don't know the MTBF (and the cost of the failure)?

I'm quite happy to say there are things I don't know. TfL did spend
a lot of time removing reversing facilities on the tube - I think

Oh didn't they just. Every time there's a problem on the piccadilly line half
the damn line has to close. Genius.

Given that you don't know really basic things required to assess
the change, I'm not sure you're qualified to judge. (I'm not sure
I'm qualified to make that assement, though... I don't know much
about railway operations).



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In message , d wrote:
On Wed, 17 Feb 2016 22:57:15 +0000
"Clive D. W. Feather" wrote:
In message , d wrote:
Oh please. 1 set of points that would hardly ever be used would require
minimal maintenance compared to the ones at Dalston and Highbury.

The sort of minimal maintenance that led to the fatal Grayrigg
derailment?

Are LO planning on raising the speed at Shorditch to 125mph then?

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In message , d wrote:
Can you imagine any tube line being
closed for that many consecutive days now unless there had been a major
incident?

Yes. Some examples (not an exhaustive list):

2009: Stonebridge Park to Queen's Park for 10 days.
2011: High Street Kensington to Edgware Road for about a month.
2012: Newbury Park to Grange Hill for 8 days.
2014: Uxbridge to Rayners Lane for over 3 weeks.
2014: Bow Church to Stratford for 10 days.
2015: Walthamstow Central to Seven Sisters for 3 weeks.

And exactly how many of those had nothing to do with the line itself but
was due to other work going on?

Irrelevant. In this case the closure is because there is risk from the
Crossrail works in the vicinity. So that is "to do with the line
itself".

Though it does prove TfL and LU are ****ing useless at major works. On the
mainline for a long closure thats not safety related they do generally single
line running and do one track at a time.

Rubbish.

While SLW is sometimes used (Farnworth tunnel being a clear example),
often the entire line is closed. Look at all the works over the last few
Christmases and Easters.

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Michael R N Dolbear wrote:

Greek road vehicle number plates are Latin alphabet (except the Greek army
uses Greek).

No, they're the intersection of the Latin and Greek alphabets. So:
PHB 1234
could be read as pee-aitch-bee or rho-eta-veta depending on which alphabet
you use, but the plate is unique in either system. There are no letters
used which aren't in both alphabets.

The army and some older municipal vehicles aren't constrained by this rule
and use other parts of the letter space.

Theo