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In article ,
(JNugent) wrote:

On 14/05/2016 19:18, wrote:
In article ,
(JNugent) wrote:

Roads also allow the police to get to burglaries, and for ambulances
to get to patients and hospitals.

Oops!

Well, most of the time...

ALL the time. You're believing the Daily Telegraph again.

Really?

Are you sure?

Would you like me to cite an occasion when an ambulance was prevented
from getting to the hospital in the oddest of circumstances?

The Council disciplinary panel accepted it was a misunderstanding for which
I apologised. The ambulance was not using its two-tones.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Converting Railways To Roads
 

On 15/05/2016 01:33, wrote:
In article ,
(JNugent) wrote:

On 14/05/2016 19:18, wrote:
In article ,
(JNugent) wrote:

Roads also allow the police to get to burglaries, and for ambulances
to get to patients and hospitals.

Oops!

Well, most of the time...

ALL the time. You're believing the Daily Telegraph again.

Really?

Are you sure?

Would you like me to cite an occasion when an ambulance was prevented
from getting to the hospital in the oddest of circumstances?

The Council disciplinary panel accepted it was a misunderstanding for which
I apologised. The ambulance was not using its two-tones.

You misunderstood the purpose of an ambulance?

Is that what you're saying?

Do you, in that case, expect to be taken seriously on transport?

Converting Railways To Roads
 

In message , at 19:17:40
on Sat, 14 May 2016, remarked:

[1] Which as far as I can see go largely un-used, so it's a waste.

That's a very stupid remark. That cycleways are well used is obvious if you
look at the proportion of cycle commuters to Cambridge, by far the highest
in the UK.

Cambridgeshire is bigger than Cambridge. The county has built a cycleway
along Witcham Toll, and I don't think I've seen a cyclist on that road
or cycleway, ever. (Other than those Sundays they do time trials, which
is a whole different can of worms).
--
Roland Perry

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On 15/05/2016 01:17, wrote:
In article , (Roland Perry)
wrote:

In message , at 10:19:00 on Sat,
14 May 2016, Robin9 remarked:

It's difficult to unpick the "roads" budget because - perhaps special
to Cambs - a big chunk is dedicated to cycleways[1] - however the car
related component is around £40m a year; which this year includes
about £10m for the Ely bypass whose main beneficiary is the railways,
and is as far as I can tell almost completely grant-funded, the
county's exposure being limited to the cost of building the business
case.

[1] Which as far as I can see go largely un-used, so it's a waste.

That's a very stupid remark. That cycleways are well used is obvious if you
look at the proportion of cycle commuters to Cambridge, by far the highest
in the UK.

Although I'm led to believe that the busiest cycleway in the UK is the
one along Cable Street, according to here at least:

http://www.wharf.co.uk/news/local-ne...clists-9876279

I have to say, it's not particularly busy in my opinion, and 4500
cyclists per day is less than 200 an hour or 3 a minute on average, even
if we ignore half the day when it's generally dark, and then even if the
peak is 10 times the average it's still just about 1/second

(and in the time I've been writing this post there have been 3 cyclists,
including finding that article I've linked to. Oh - and one skateboarder)

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In message , at 08:42:08 on Sun, 15 May
2016, Someone Somewhere remarked:

I'm led to believe that the busiest cycleway in the UK is the one along
Cable Street, according to here at least:

http://www.wharf.co.uk/news/local-ne...opular-cyclist
s-9876279

It looks suspiciously like someone forgot an "In London".

Notwithstanding all those deserted cycling facilities in rural Cambs,
I'd have thought Garret Hostel Lane in Cambridge one of the busiest
cycle routes (in termtime, anyway).
--
Roland Perry

You're right of course. I don't know why I overlooked VAT on
the vehicle itself.

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On 15/05/2016 09:27, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 08:42:08 on Sun, 15 May
2016, Someone Somewhere remarked:

I'm led to believe that the busiest cycleway in the UK is the one
along Cable Street, according to here at least:

http://www.wharf.co.uk/news/local-ne...opular-cyclist
s-9876279

It looks suspiciously like someone forgot an "In London".

Notwithstanding all those deserted cycling facilities in rural Cambs,
I'd have thought Garret Hostel Lane in Cambridge one of the busiest
cycle routes (in termtime, anyway).

Well the story does begin:

"A road in Tower Hamlets is the most popular for cycling in Britain."

And we're in uk.transport.london , but yes, I suspect the study did
only cover London as places like St Giles in Oxford feel busier than
Cable Street in cycling terms too.

Nor in mine.

My own observation about cycle lanes in London is that
many cyclists ignore them and prefer to play in the traffic.

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In article , (Roland Perry)
wrote:

In message , at
19:17:40 on Sat, 14 May 2016, remarked:

[1] Which as far as I can see go largely un-used, so it's a waste.

That's a very stupid remark. That cycleways are well used is obvious if
you look at the proportion of cycle commuters to Cambridge, by far the
highest in the UK.

Cambridgeshire is bigger than Cambridge. The county has built a
cycleway along Witcham Toll, and I don't think I've seen a cyclist on
that road or cycleway, ever. (Other than those Sundays they do time
trials, which is a whole different can of worms).

Whatever you see about Witcham Toll of which I know nothing you are
overlooking that Cambridgeshire as a whole has cycling to work levels higher
than most of the country.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

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In message , at 19:15:56
on Sun, 15 May 2016, remarked:
[1] Which as far as I can see go largely un-used, so it's a waste.

That's a very stupid remark. That cycleways are well used is obvious if
you look at the proportion of cycle commuters to Cambridge, by far the
highest in the UK.

Cambridgeshire is bigger than Cambridge. The county has built a
cycleway along Witcham Toll, and I don't think I've seen a cyclist on
that road or cycleway, ever. (Other than those Sundays they do time
trials, which is a whole different can of worms).

Whatever you see about Witcham Toll of which I know nothing

It's the A142, which you've been known to bang on about. It facilitates
a seven mile commute for its users, which I suspect is much further than
most cyclists pedal to work.

you are overlooking that Cambridgeshire as a whole has cycling to work
levels higher than most of the country.

Which is orthogonal to how many cycleways - especially those on rural
routes - contribute to that statistic.
--
Roland Perry

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On 16/05/2016 08:45, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 19:15:56
on Sun, 15 May 2016, remarked:
[1] Which as far as I can see go largely un-used, so it's a waste.

That's a very stupid remark. That cycleways are well used is obvious if
you look at the proportion of cycle commuters to Cambridge, by far the
highest in the UK.

Cambridgeshire is bigger than Cambridge. The county has built a
cycleway along Witcham Toll, and I don't think I've seen a cyclist on
that road or cycleway, ever. (Other than those Sundays they do time
trials, which is a whole different can of worms).

Whatever you see about Witcham Toll of which I know nothing

It's the A142, which you've been known to bang on about. It facilitates
a seven mile commute for its users, which I suspect is much further than
most cyclists pedal to work.

you are overlooking that Cambridgeshire as a whole has cycling to work
levels higher than most of the country.

Which is orthogonal to how many cycleways - especially those on rural
routes - contribute to that statistic.

And irrelevant to either the title of this thread, or the newsgroup in
which it is being discussed!

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In message , at 11:15:08 on Mon, 16 May
2016, Someone Somewhere remarked:
[1] Which as far as I can see go largely un-used, so it's a waste.

That's a very stupid remark. That cycleways are well used is obvious if
you look at the proportion of cycle commuters to Cambridge, by far the
highest in the UK.

Cambridgeshire is bigger than Cambridge. The county has built a
cycleway along Witcham Toll, and I don't think I've seen a cyclist on
that road or cycleway, ever. (Other than those Sundays they do time
trials, which is a whole different can of worms).

Whatever you see about Witcham Toll of which I know nothing

It's the A142, which you've been known to bang on about. It facilitates
a seven mile commute for its users, which I suspect is much further than
most cyclists pedal to work.

you are overlooking that Cambridgeshire as a whole has cycling to work
levels higher than most of the country.

Which is orthogonal to how many cycleways - especially those on rural
routes - contribute to that statistic.

And irrelevant to either the title of this thread, or the newsgroup in
which it is being discussed!

Not really, because the cycleway alongside the Cambridge misguided bus
track was one of the major selling points for that bit of converting a
railway to a "road".
--
Roland Perry

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On 16/05/2016 12:06, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 11:15:08 on Mon, 16 May
2016, Someone Somewhere remarked:
[1] Which as far as I can see go largely un-used, so it's a waste.

That's a very stupid remark. That cycleways are well used is
obvious if
you look at the proportion of cycle commuters to Cambridge, by far
the
highest in the UK.

Cambridgeshire is bigger than Cambridge. The county has built a
cycleway along Witcham Toll, and I don't think I've seen a cyclist on
that road or cycleway, ever. (Other than those Sundays they do time
trials, which is a whole different can of worms).

Whatever you see about Witcham Toll of which I know nothing

It's the A142, which you've been known to bang on about. It facilitates
a seven mile commute for its users, which I suspect is much further than
most cyclists pedal to work.

you are overlooking that Cambridgeshire as a whole has cycling to work
levels higher than most of the country.

Which is orthogonal to how many cycleways - especially those on rural
routes - contribute to that statistic.

And irrelevant to either the title of this thread, or the newsgroup in
which it is being discussed!

Not really, because the cycleway alongside the Cambridge misguided bus
track was one of the major selling points for that bit of converting a
railway to a "road".

And this bus track is in the London area? If it's the guided bus way up
to St Ives, having attempted to do a pub crawl along it, I would suggest
not as there would have been more pubs in London...

Converting Railways To Roads
 

In message , at 12:32:02 on Mon, 16 May
2016, Someone Somewhere remarked:
you are overlooking that Cambridgeshire as a whole has cycling to work
levels higher than most of the country.

Which is orthogonal to how many cycleways - especially those on rural
routes - contribute to that statistic.

And irrelevant to either the title of this thread, or the newsgroup in
which it is being discussed!

Not really, because the cycleway alongside the Cambridge misguided bus
track was one of the major selling points for that bit of converting a
railway to a "road".

And this bus track is in the London area?

It's within the physical envelope (if not the charging scheme) of NSE,
if you want to invoke extreme pedantry.

--
Roland Perry

Don't be such a spoil sport! Discussion threads should be
allowed to wander freely as long as the participants have
interesting points to make!