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Sadiq's proposed new anti-pollution measures
New mayor Sadiq has announced that he will launch a formal policy
consultation in a matter of weeks on a major package of measures to tackle air pollution in London. The proposals will include: •Extending the Ultra-Low Emission Zone (ULEZ) to the North Circular Road and the South Circular Road and the possibility of bringing forward the introduction earlier than 2020. Under current plans the ULEZ will only operate within the Congestion Charging Zone and it is due to come in from 2020. • Implementing an extra charge on the most polluting vehicles entering central London using the Congestion Charge payment and enforcement system from 2017 (this would not mean an increase in the Congestion Charge but just the method for collecting the extra charge from people driving the most polluting vehicles) •Introducing ULEZ standards for heavy vehicles London-wide from 2020 •Giving the go-ahead for Transport for London (TfL) to start work on the costs and challenges of implementing a diesel scrappage scheme as part of a wider national scheme delivered by the Government • Proposals to work with the Government to tackle air pollution on a national and international level. Proposals for TfL to lead by example: •Introducing self-imposed ULEZ standards a year earlier for TfL double decker buses •Implementing clean bus corridors – tackling the worst pollution hotspots by concentrating cleaner buses on the dirtiest routes •Expanding the ULEZ retrofit programme to 3,000 buses outside the central zone (up from 2,000) •Purchasing only hybrid or zero-emission double-decker buses from 2018. More in https://www.london.gov.uk/press-rele...dons-toxic-air |
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and the use of them. I know that numerous buses run along Oxford Street and clog up that road, but I don't know where they go to, how heavily they are used and what percentage of passengers travel right through Oxford Strret and beyond. So, I have a question for the bus experts here. Is it a feasible option a) to re-diagram bus routes so that bus journeys begin and end at Marble Arch or New Oxford Street/St. Giles Circus so that those buses do not travel along Oxford Street at all, and b) design a hybrid trolley bus with a small petrol engine, and run a trolley bus shuttle service along Oxford Street - with overhead wiring installed of course - using the petrol engine only to move the bus to and from the bus depot? Feel free to shoot me down in flames. |
Sadiq's proposed new anti-pollution measures
On 2016-05-13 15:48:59 +0000, Recliner said:
•Extending the Ultra-Low Emission Zone (ULEZ) to the North Circular Road and the South Circular Road and the possibility of bringing forward the introduction earlier than 2020. Under current plans the ULEZ will only operate within the Congestion Charging Zone and it is due to come in from 2020. This will affect a large number of cars in poorer areas I reckon. I guess it has to happen though. I think it will knock out our car, a 2005 Volvo, a petrol model that has many thousands of miles left in it and is no smoky diesel. E. |
Sadiq's proposed new anti-pollution measures
On Sat, 14 May 2016 11:28:24 +0100, eastender
wrote: On 2016-05-13 15:48:59 +0000, Recliner said: •Extending the Ultra-Low Emission Zone (ULEZ) to the North Circular Road and the South Circular Road and the possibility of bringing forward the introduction earlier than 2020. Under current plans the ULEZ will only operate within the Congestion Charging Zone and it is due to come in from 2020. This will affect a large number of cars in poorer areas I reckon. I guess it has to happen though. I think it will knock out our car, a 2005 Volvo, a petrol model that has many thousands of miles left in it and is no smoky diesel. Yes, I suppose you're right: poorer areas will have older cars that are more likely to fall foul of the new rules. A lot of quite new diesels will suffer a big fall in resale value if they're effectively no longer usable in London. My car, which was as clean as any when new, will also fail the new tests, so if I still own it when the ULEZ comes in, I'll be liable to pay the new charge if I ever take it inside the North Circular (which I now seldom do, anyway). |
Sadiq's proposed new anti-pollution measures
In message 2016051411282448156-email@domaincom, at 11:28:24 on Sat, 14
May 2016, eastender remarked: •Extending the Ultra-Low Emission Zone (ULEZ) to the North Circular Road and the South Circular Road and the possibility of bringing forward the introduction earlier than 2020. Under current plans the ULEZ will only operate within the Congestion Charging Zone and it is due to come in from 2020. This will affect a large number of cars in poorer areas I reckon. I guess it has to happen though. I think it will knock out our car, a 2005 Volvo, a petrol model that has many thousands of miles left in it and is no smoky diesel. The TfL site is astonishingly opaque regarding what cars are allowed or not. They can't even be bothered to install a query based on numberplate. It appears to say that Euro 6 diesel cars must be less than 5years old, but doesn't mention any of the former Euro ratings. -- Roland Perry |
Sadiq's proposed new anti-pollution measures
In message , at 11:56:21 on
Sat, 14 May 2016, Recliner remarked: A lot of quite new diesels will suffer a big fall in resale value if they're effectively no longer usable in London. A windfall for those of us outside London. The only times I drive inside the North Circular is when playing Taxi-Dad for my daughter who is coming to the end of her studies at UCL in a couple of weeks. Will TfL in future be providing tube trains with enough luggage space for the likes of her to termly-commute into Z2 where most of her fellow students live, from some kiss-and-ride railhead outside the North Circular? -- Roland Perry |
Sadiq's proposed new anti-pollution measures
"Roland Perry" wrote in message ... In message 2016051411282448156-email@domaincom, at 11:28:24 on Sat, 14 May 2016, eastender remarked: •Extending the Ultra-Low Emission Zone (ULEZ) to the North Circular Road and the South Circular Road and the possibility of bringing forward the introduction earlier than 2020. Under current plans the ULEZ will only operate within the Congestion Charging Zone and it is due to come in from 2020. This will affect a large number of cars in poorer areas I reckon. I guess it has to happen though. I think it will knock out our car, a 2005 Volvo, a petrol model that has many thousands of miles left in it and is no smoky diesel. The TfL site is astonishingly opaque regarding what cars are allowed or not. They can't even be bothered to install a query based on numberplate. It appears to say that Euro 6 diesel cars must be less than 5years old, but doesn't mention any of the former Euro ratings. NO What it is saying is that vehicles of this age are guaranteed to be Euro 6 compliant (because that is the date that manufactures were required to meet E6). Older vehicles may be compliant if their particular model met Euro 6 standards before the required date. Euro 5(D) cars will never be compliant whatever their age tim |
Sadiq's proposed new anti-pollution measures
On Sat, 14 May 2016 13:05:24 +0100, Roland Perry
wrote: In message 2016051411282448156-email@domaincom, at 11:28:24 on Sat, 14 May 2016, eastender remarked: •Extending the Ultra-Low Emission Zone (ULEZ) to the North Circular Road and the South Circular Road and the possibility of bringing forward the introduction earlier than 2020. Under current plans the ULEZ will only operate within the Congestion Charging Zone and it is due to come in from 2020. This will affect a large number of cars in poorer areas I reckon. I guess it has to happen though. I think it will knock out our car, a 2005 Volvo, a petrol model that has many thousands of miles left in it and is no smoky diesel. The TfL site is astonishingly opaque regarding what cars are allowed or not. They can't even be bothered to install a query based on numberplate. It appears to say that Euro 6 diesel cars must be less than 5years old, but doesn't mention any of the former Euro ratings. They won't be allowed in free at all. What they mean is that when the rule comes in, only diesels under five years old will be given free admission, and that was when the Euro 6 standard became mandatory. |
Sadiq's proposed new anti-pollution measures
On Sat, 14 May 2016 13:09:28 +0100, Roland Perry
wrote: In message , at 11:56:21 on Sat, 14 May 2016, Recliner remarked: A lot of quite new diesels will suffer a big fall in resale value if they're effectively no longer usable in London. A windfall for those of us outside London. The only times I drive inside the North Circular is when playing Taxi-Dad for my daughter who is coming to the end of her studies at UCL in a couple of weeks. Will TfL in future be providing tube trains with enough luggage space for the likes of her to termly-commute into Z2 where most of her fellow students live, from some kiss-and-ride railhead outside the North Circular? No, you'll still be welcome to drive into the zone, but will have to pay up, just as you would to cross a toll bridge. The aim isn't to ban dirty vehicles (yet), but to nudge owners of older vehicles into replacing them. There's talk of a diesel scrappage scheme to further encourage this switch. |
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In message , at 14:02:01 on Sat, 14 May
2016, tim... remarked: The TfL site is astonishingly opaque regarding what cars are allowed or not. They can't even be bothered to install a query based on numberplate. It appears to say that Euro 6 diesel cars must be less than 5years old, but doesn't mention any of the former Euro ratings. NO What it is saying is that vehicles of this age are guaranteed to be Euro 6 compliant (because that is the date that manufactures were required to meet E6). Older vehicles may be compliant if their particular model met Euro 6 standards before the required date. Euro 5(D) cars will never be compliant whatever their age Like I said, astonishingly opaque. My V5 doesn't say what Euro-foo the car is, and TfL can't be bothered to help. Wonkypedia doesn't say either. After a lot of digging it appears to be Euro 4 (diesel). -- Roland Perry |
Sadiq's proposed new anti-pollution measures
On Sat, 14 May 2016 13:09:28 +0100, Roland Perry
wrote: Will TfL in future be providing tube trains with enough luggage space for the likes of her to termly-commute into Z2 where most of her fellow students live, from some kiss-and-ride railhead outside the North Circular? I've had no problems traveling on the Victoria and Picadilly plus a bus with two suitcases, a large shoulder bag and a backpack. -- jhk |
Sadiq's proposed new anti-pollution measures
On 14/05/2016 14:24, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 14:02:01 on Sat, 14 May 2016, tim... remarked: The TfL site is astonishingly opaque regarding what cars are allowed or not. They can't even be bothered to install a query based on numberplate. It appears to say that Euro 6 diesel cars must be less than 5years old, but doesn't mention any of the former Euro ratings. NO What it is saying is that vehicles of this age are guaranteed to be Euro 6 compliant (because that is the date that manufactures were required to meet E6). Older vehicles may be compliant if their particular model met Euro 6 standards before the required date. Euro 5(D) cars will never be compliant whatever their age Like I said, astonishingly opaque. My V5 doesn't say what Euro-foo the car is, and TfL can't be bothered to help. Wonkypedia doesn't say either. After a lot of digging it appears to be Euro 4 (diesel). They do say - they say if it isn't on your V5 then you need to take the year of manufacture into account and gives the relevant years for the relevant cars. It says that some vehicles may have been early adopters of the standard too, which is the only level of opaqueness really. |
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In message , at 14:17:06 on
Sat, 14 May 2016, Recliner remarked: A lot of quite new diesels will suffer a big fall in resale value if they're effectively no longer usable in London. A windfall for those of us outside London. The only times I drive inside the North Circular is when playing Taxi-Dad for my daughter who is coming to the end of her studies at UCL in a couple of weeks. Will TfL in future be providing tube trains with enough luggage space for the likes of her to termly-commute into Z2 where most of her fellow students live, from some kiss-and-ride railhead outside the North Circular? No, you'll still be welcome to drive into the zone, but will have to pay up, just as you would to cross a toll bridge. Even on Sundays when the congestion charge doesn't apply? The aim isn't to ban dirty vehicles (yet), but to nudge owners of older vehicles into replacing them. But my current vehicle is precisely one that legislation, rather than engineering, decreed I should buy when the previous one hit various artificial limits. There's talk of a diesel scrappage scheme to further encourage this switch. Euro n-1 hopefully. Diesels are still on track to save the planet from peak oil. -- Roland Perry |
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In message , at 15:26:08 on
Sat, 14 May 2016, Jarle Hammen Knudsen remarked: Will TfL in future be providing tube trains with enough luggage space for the likes of her to termly-commute into Z2 where most of her fellow students live, from some kiss-and-ride railhead outside the North Circular? I've had no problems traveling on the Victoria and Picadilly plus a bus with two suitcases, a large shoulder bag and a backpack. That's about a third of what's required. -- Roland Perry |
Sadiq's proposed new anti-pollution measures
In message , at 14:36:49 on Sat, 14 May
2016, Someone Somewhere remarked: The TfL site is astonishingly opaque regarding what cars are allowed or not. They can't even be bothered to install a query based on numberplate. It appears to say that Euro 6 diesel cars must be less than 5years old, but doesn't mention any of the former Euro ratings. NO What it is saying is that vehicles of this age are guaranteed to be Euro 6 compliant (because that is the date that manufactures were required to meet E6). Older vehicles may be compliant if their particular model met Euro 6 standards before the required date. Euro 5(D) cars will never be compliant whatever their age Like I said, astonishingly opaque. My V5 doesn't say what Euro-foo the car is, and TfL can't be bothered to help. Wonkypedia doesn't say either. After a lot of digging it appears to be Euro 4 (diesel). They do say - they say if it isn't on your V5 then you need to take the year of manufacture into account and gives the relevant years for the relevant cars. No, because they don't have a way for me to discover what Euro-foo my vehicle is, and even when I jump through numerous external hoops, fail to say what the implications are. If the answer is "not allowed inside the North Circular" the least they can do is tell me. But how will they police it - congestion zone cameras twice as far out as now - sounds like a trojan horse for congestion charges inside the "circulars". -- Roland Perry |
Sadiq's proposed new anti-pollution measures
In message , at 14:14:46 on
Sat, 14 May 2016, Recliner remarked: It appears to say that Euro 6 diesel cars must be less than 5years old, but doesn't mention any of the former Euro ratings. They won't be allowed in free at all. What they mean is that when the rule comes in, only diesels under five years old will be given free admission, and that was when the Euro 6 standard became mandatory. Are they getting a kick-back from manufacturers of compliant cars? -- Roland Perry |
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Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 14:36:49 on Sat, 14 May 2016, Someone Somewhere remarked: The TfL site is astonishingly opaque regarding what cars are allowed or not. They can't even be bothered to install a query based on numberplate. It appears to say that Euro 6 diesel cars must be less than 5years old, but doesn't mention any of the former Euro ratings. NO What it is saying is that vehicles of this age are guaranteed to be Euro 6 compliant (because that is the date that manufactures were required to meet E6). Older vehicles may be compliant if their particular model met Euro 6 standards before the required date. Euro 5(D) cars will never be compliant whatever their age Like I said, astonishingly opaque. My V5 doesn't say what Euro-foo the car is, and TfL can't be bothered to help. Wonkypedia doesn't say either. After a lot of digging it appears to be Euro 4 (diesel). They do say - they say if it isn't on your V5 then you need to take the year of manufacture into account and gives the relevant years for the relevant cars. No, because they don't have a way for me to discover what Euro-foo my vehicle is, and even when I jump through numerous external hoops, fail to say what the implications are. If the answer is "not allowed inside the North Circular" the least they can do is tell me. But how will they police it - congestion zone cameras twice as far out as now - sounds like a trojan horse for congestion charges inside the "circulars". Allowed inside the North Circular, but you will have to pay the charge. |
Sadiq's proposed new anti-pollution measures
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 14:17:06 on Sat, 14 May 2016, Recliner remarked: A lot of quite new diesels will suffer a big fall in resale value if they're effectively no longer usable in London. A windfall for those of us outside London. The only times I drive inside the North Circular is when playing Taxi-Dad for my daughter who is coming to the end of her studies at UCL in a couple of weeks. Will TfL in future be providing tube trains with enough luggage space for the likes of her to termly-commute into Z2 where most of her fellow students live, from some kiss-and-ride railhead outside the North Circular? No, you'll still be welcome to drive into the zone, but will have to pay up, just as you would to cross a toll bridge. Even on Sundays when the congestion charge doesn't apply? Yes, 24 hours a day. The aim isn't to ban dirty vehicles (yet), but to nudge owners of older vehicles into replacing them. But my current vehicle is precisely one that legislation, rather than engineering, decreed I should buy when the previous one hit various artificial limits. Yup. We're now much more aware of the non-CO2 pollution from diesels. There's talk of a diesel scrappage scheme to further encourage this switch. Euro n-1 hopefully. Diesels are still on track to save the planet from peak oil. Peak oil? That's a quaint old notion. We'll all be using electric or hydrogen powered vehicles for clean air/global warming reasons long before peak oil. |
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On 2016-05-14 15:54:34 +0000, Recliner said:
Roland Perry wrote: In message , at 14:36:49 on Sat, 14 May 2016, Someone Somewhere remarked: The TfL site is astonishingly opaque regarding what cars are allowed or not. They can't even be bothered to install a query based on numberplate. It appears to say that Euro 6 diesel cars must be less than 5years old, but doesn't mention any of the former Euro ratings. NO What it is saying is that vehicles of this age are guaranteed to be Euro 6 compliant (because that is the date that manufactures were required to meet E6). Older vehicles may be compliant if their particular model met Euro 6 standards before the required date. Euro 5(D) cars will never be compliant whatever their age Like I said, astonishingly opaque. My V5 doesn't say what Euro-foo the car is, and TfL can't be bothered to help. Wonkypedia doesn't say either. After a lot of digging it appears to be Euro 4 (diesel). They do say - they say if it isn't on your V5 then you need to take the year of manufacture into account and gives the relevant years for the relevant cars. No, because they don't have a way for me to discover what Euro-foo my vehicle is, and even when I jump through numerous external hoops, fail to say what the implications are. If the answer is "not allowed inside the North Circular" the least they can do is tell me. But how will they police it - congestion zone cameras twice as far out as now - sounds like a trojan horse for congestion charges inside the "circulars". Allowed inside the North Circular, but you will have to pay the charge. What if you live in the zone - I presume you can't even drive out of it without paying... |
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eastender wrote:
On 2016-05-14 15:54:34 +0000, Recliner said: Roland Perry wrote: In message , at 14:36:49 on Sat, 14 May 2016, Someone Somewhere remarked: The TfL site is astonishingly opaque regarding what cars are allowed or not. They can't even be bothered to install a query based on numberplate. It appears to say that Euro 6 diesel cars must be less than 5years old, but doesn't mention any of the former Euro ratings. NO What it is saying is that vehicles of this age are guaranteed to be Euro 6 compliant (because that is the date that manufactures were required to meet E6). Older vehicles may be compliant if their particular model met Euro 6 standards before the required date. Euro 5(D) cars will never be compliant whatever their age Like I said, astonishingly opaque. My V5 doesn't say what Euro-foo the car is, and TfL can't be bothered to help. Wonkypedia doesn't say either. After a lot of digging it appears to be Euro 4 (diesel). They do say - they say if it isn't on your V5 then you need to take the year of manufacture into account and gives the relevant years for the relevant cars. No, because they don't have a way for me to discover what Euro-foo my vehicle is, and even when I jump through numerous external hoops, fail to say what the implications are. If the answer is "not allowed inside the North Circular" the least they can do is tell me. But how will they police it - congestion zone cameras twice as far out as now - sounds like a trojan horse for congestion charges inside the "circulars". Allowed inside the North Circular, but you will have to pay the charge. What if you live in the zone - I presume you can't even drive out of it without paying... It's just a consultation at the moment, isn't it? That's bound to be one of the big questions to be settled. It was less of an issue when only the CC zone was affected, with relatively few residents, but with a much expanded zone, it's an important issue that will affect many thousands of people. There may have to be some sort of temporary grandfather rights if you register an older car in advance. |
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-sept ember.org, at 15:54:34 on Sat, 14 May 2016, Recliner remarked: But my current vehicle is precisely one that legislation, rather than engineering, decreed I should buy when the previous one hit various artificial limits. Yup. We're now much more aware of the non-CO2 pollution from diesels. The previous [petrol] car would have failed on account of hydrocarbon emissions. -- Roland Perry |
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-sept ember.org, at 15:54:34 on Sat, 14 May 2016, Recliner remarked: If the answer is "not allowed inside the North Circular" the least they can do is tell me. But how will they police it - congestion zone cameras twice as far out as now - sounds like a trojan horse for congestion charges inside the "circulars". Allowed inside the North Circular, but you will have to pay the charge. How will they know? -- Roland Perry |
Sadiq's proposed new anti-pollution measures
"Roland Perry" wrote in message ... In message , at 14:02:01 on Sat, 14 May 2016, tim... remarked: The TfL site is astonishingly opaque regarding what cars are allowed or not. They can't even be bothered to install a query based on numberplate. It appears to say that Euro 6 diesel cars must be less than 5years old, but doesn't mention any of the former Euro ratings. NO What it is saying is that vehicles of this age are guaranteed to be Euro 6 compliant (because that is the date that manufactures were required to meet E6). Older vehicles may be compliant if their particular model met Euro 6 standards before the required date. Euro 5(D) cars will never be compliant whatever their age Like I said, astonishingly opaque. I don't think that, not giving a list of all modes with applicable manufacturing dates (as, for example, the German equivalent site does) is "opaque". ISTM that the rule is quite clear (even if both you and Recliner have mis-understood it). You just have to go somewhere else to find out whether you qualify My V5 doesn't say what Euro-foo the car is, and TfL can't be bothered to help. Wonkypedia doesn't say either. After a lot of digging it appears to be Euro 4 (diesel). It isn't TfL's fault that DVLA implemented this change late tim |
Sadiq's proposed new anti-pollution measures
"Roland Perry" wrote in message ... In message , at 14:36:49 on Sat, 14 May 2016, Someone Somewhere remarked: The TfL site is astonishingly opaque regarding what cars are allowed or not. They can't even be bothered to install a query based on numberplate. It appears to say that Euro 6 diesel cars must be less than 5years old, but doesn't mention any of the former Euro ratings. NO What it is saying is that vehicles of this age are guaranteed to be Euro 6 compliant (because that is the date that manufactures were required to meet E6). Older vehicles may be compliant if their particular model met Euro 6 standards before the required date. Euro 5(D) cars will never be compliant whatever their age Like I said, astonishingly opaque. My V5 doesn't say what Euro-foo the car is, and TfL can't be bothered to help. Wonkypedia doesn't say either. After a lot of digging it appears to be Euro 4 (diesel). They do say - they say if it isn't on your V5 then you need to take the year of manufacture into account and gives the relevant years for the relevant cars. No, because they don't have a way for me to discover what Euro-foo my vehicle is, and even when I jump through numerous external hoops, fail to say what the implications are. you have to pay the fee If the answer is "not allowed inside the North Circular" As that is a very new possibility why would you expect to find it on the website? the least they can do is tell me. But how will they police it - congestion zone cameras twice as far out as now - sounds like a trojan horse for congestion charges inside the "circulars". I suspect that the enlargement will not happen. As you have pointed out it will disenfranchise too many people too quickly. But it still isn't clear how they will enforce it within the current zone if the DVLA don't have the details of everyone's emission class It can't simply be done on registration date as the website made some reference to the possibly of modifying non-compliant cars so that they did comply, as an alternative option to "scrapping" them tim |
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"Recliner" wrote in message ... eastender wrote: On 2016-05-14 15:54:34 +0000, Recliner said: Roland Perry wrote: In message , at 14:36:49 on Sat, 14 May 2016, Someone Somewhere remarked: The TfL site is astonishingly opaque regarding what cars are allowed or not. They can't even be bothered to install a query based on numberplate. It appears to say that Euro 6 diesel cars must be less than 5years old, but doesn't mention any of the former Euro ratings. NO What it is saying is that vehicles of this age are guaranteed to be Euro 6 compliant (because that is the date that manufactures were required to meet E6). Older vehicles may be compliant if their particular model met Euro 6 standards before the required date. Euro 5(D) cars will never be compliant whatever their age Like I said, astonishingly opaque. My V5 doesn't say what Euro-foo the car is, and TfL can't be bothered to help. Wonkypedia doesn't say either. After a lot of digging it appears to be Euro 4 (diesel). They do say - they say if it isn't on your V5 then you need to take the year of manufacture into account and gives the relevant years for the relevant cars. No, because they don't have a way for me to discover what Euro-foo my vehicle is, and even when I jump through numerous external hoops, fail to say what the implications are. If the answer is "not allowed inside the North Circular" the least they can do is tell me. But how will they police it - congestion zone cameras twice as far out as now - sounds like a trojan horse for congestion charges inside the "circulars". Allowed inside the North Circular, but you will have to pay the charge. What if you live in the zone - I presume you can't even drive out of it without paying... It's just a consultation at the moment, isn't it? That's bound to be one of the big questions to be settled. It was less of an issue when only the CC zone was affected, with relatively few residents, but with a much expanded zone, it's an important issue that will affect many thousands of people. There may have to be some sort of temporary grandfather rights if you register an older car in advance. There is to be a three year grace period for current residents (did *none* of you actually read the information on the website?) |
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"Roland Perry" wrote in message ... In message -sept ember.org, at 15:54:34 on Sat, 14 May 2016, Recliner remarked: If the answer is "not allowed inside the North Circular" the least they can do is tell me. But how will they police it - congestion zone cameras twice as far out as now - sounds like a trojan horse for congestion charges inside the "circulars". Allowed inside the North Circular, but you will have to pay the charge. How will they know? They will know :-) tim |
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"tim..." writes:
It can't simply be done on registration date as the website made some reference to the possibly of modifying non-compliant cars so that they did comply, as an alternative option to "scrapping" them For new cars, it will be known, and for older cars could the appropriate rating not be determined during the MOT? |
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In message , at 17:41:56 on Sat, 14 May
2016, tim... remarked: I don't think that, not giving a list of all modes with applicable manufacturing dates (as, for example, the German equivalent site does) is "opaque". This is one occasion where a lookup by numberplate would be appropriate. Although I've not had a lot of luck with such searches recently. According to the gadget in Halfords last week my car only has rear wiper blades (I wanted front) and only has headlight bulbs (I wanted a brake light). -- Roland Perry |
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in this country. It's only in those "fantastically corrupt" foreign countries. I have no experience of life and I believe everything my Prime Minister tells me. |
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Robin9 wrote:
Roland Perry;155734 Wrote: In message , at 14:14:46 on Sat, 14 May 2016, Recliner remarked: -- It appears to say that Euro 6 diesel cars must be less than 5years old, but doesn't mention any of the former Euro ratings.- They won't be allowed in free at all. What they mean is that when the rule comes in, only diesels under five years old will be given free admission, and that was when the Euro 6 standard became mandatory.- Are they getting a kick-back from manufacturers of compliant cars? David Cameron has just told us we don't have corruption in this country. Did he actually say that? It's only in those "fantastically corrupt" foreign countries. Well, there's no doubt that Nigeria and Afghanistan are fantastically corrupt. Britain isn't perfect, but it's pretty good, probably just behind the squeaky clean Scandinavian countries. |
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On 2016-05-15 06:59:59 +0000, Roland Perry said:
In message , at 17:41:56 on Sat, 14 May 2016, tim... remarked: I don't think that, not giving a list of all modes with applicable manufacturing dates (as, for example, the German equivalent site does) is "opaque". This is one occasion where a lookup by numberplate would be appropriate. Although I've not had a lot of luck with such searches recently. According to the gadget in Halfords last week my car only has rear wiper blades (I wanted front) and only has headlight bulbs (I wanted a brake light). I had better luck in Eurocarparts in Wapping the other day for wipers and some bulbs - the counter guy left his post to go look at our car and didn't trust what his computer said.... |
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In message 2016051510554417217-email@domaincom, at 10:55:44 on Sun, 15
May 2016, eastender remarked: This is one occasion where a lookup by numberplate would be appropriate. Although I've not had a lot of luck with such searches recently. According to the gadget in Halfords last week my car only has rear wiper blades (I wanted front) and only has headlight bulbs (I wanted a brake light). I had better luck in Eurocarparts in Wapping the other day for wipers and some bulbs - the counter guy left his post to go look at our car and didn't trust what his computer said.... I went and got the old bulb and found the right one by eyeball. Ordered the wiper blades from eBay after being given an eyewatering quote (for unbranded) from local car accessory shop. -- Roland Perry |
Sadiq's proposed new anti-pollution measures
On 14/05/2016 09:43, Robin9 wrote:
'Recliner[_3_ Wrote: New mayor Sadiq has announced that he will launch a formal policy consultation in a matter of weeks on a major package of measures to tackle air pollution in London. I don't use buses much so I'm ignorant about the routes and the use of them. I know that numerous buses run along Oxford Street and clog up that road, but I don't know where they go to, how heavily they are used and what percentage of passengers travel right through Oxford Strret and beyond. So, I have a question for the bus experts here. Is it a feasible option a) to re-diagram bus routes so that bus journeys begin and end at Marble Arch or New Oxford Street/St. Giles Circus so that those buses do not travel along Oxford Street at all, and b) design a hybrid trolley bus with a small petrol engine, and run a trolley bus shuttle service along Oxford Street - with overhead wiring installed of course - using the petrol engine only to move the bus to and from the bus depot? It is always feasible to cange bus routes, but Oxford Street is about a mile long between St Giles and Marble Arch. Would it be practical not to have any buses serving it? Feel free to shoot me down in flames. I'd be surprised if TaL operates any buses powered by petrol. It would be phenomenally expensive. Diesel has been the fuel for larger vehicles since well before WW2. |
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than petrol engines, TfL's attitude might change. My suggestion was the hybrid trolley bus would use the petrol engine only when running empty between the bus depot and the West End. When carrying passengers, it would run on electricity, thus being far cleaner than the buses using Oxford Street today. |
Sadiq's proposed new anti-pollution measures
On 15/05/2016 10:55, eastender wrote:
On 2016-05-15 06:59:59 +0000, Roland Perry said: In message , at 17:41:56 on Sat, 14 May 2016, tim... remarked: I don't think that, not giving a list of all modes with applicable manufacturing dates (as, for example, the German equivalent site does) is "opaque". This is one occasion where a lookup by numberplate would be appropriate. Although I've not had a lot of luck with such searches recently. According to the gadget in Halfords last week my car only has rear wiper blades (I wanted front) and only has headlight bulbs (I wanted a brake light). I had better luck in Eurocarparts in Wapping the other day for wipers and some bulbs - the counter guy left his post to go look at our car and didn't trust what his computer said.... Slightly off topic, but is that branch of Eurocarparts really in Wapping? It's north of the Highway and closer to Limehouse station than anywhere else... |
Sadiq's proposed new anti-pollution measures
On 16/05/2016 08:25, Robin9 wrote:
'JNugent[_5_ Wrote: ;155773']On 14/05/2016 09:43, Robin9 wrote: - 'Recliner[_3_ Wrote:- -- New mayor Sadiq has announced that he will launch a formal policy consultation in a matter of weeks on a major package of measures to tackle air pollution in London.-- - I don't use buses much so I'm ignorant about the routes and the use of them. I know that numerous buses run along Oxford Street and clog up that road, but I don't know where they go to, how heavily they are used and what percentage of passengers travel right through Oxford Strret and beyond. So, I have a question for the bus experts here. Is it a feasible option a) to re-diagram bus routes so that bus journeys begin and end at Marble Arch or New Oxford Street/St. Giles Circus so that those buses do not travel along Oxford Street at all, and b) design a hybrid trolley bus with a small petrol engine, and run a trolley bus shuttle service along Oxford Street - with overhead wiring installed of course - using the petrol engine only to move the bus to and from the bus depot?- It is always feasible to cange bus routes, but Oxford Street is about a mile long between St Giles and Marble Arch. Would it be practical not to have any buses serving it? - Feel free to shoot me down in flames.- I'd be surprised if TfL operates any buses powered by petrol. It would be phenomenally expensive. Why did you change what I typed? You didn't even mention that a change had been made. Diesel has been the fuel for larger vehicles since well before WW2. Now that it's known that diesel engines emit worse pollutants than petrol engines, TfL's attitude might change. There is the little matter of cost. My suggestion was the hybrid trolley bus would use the petrol engine only when running empty between the bus depot and the West End. When carrying passengers, it would run on electricity, thus being far cleaner than the buses using Oxford Street today. Why not just run on electricity all the way? |
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