Which bus has the steepest climb?
 

A while ago I got on a bus which went to Mill Hill East. It went up and up and up and up.

But which bus route has the highest vertical climb?

Which bus has the steepest climb?
 

On 22/05/2016 13:43, Offramp wrote:
A while ago I got on a bus which went to Mill Hill East. It went up and up and up and up.

But which bus route has the highest vertical climb?


As a first guess, route 210 from Finsbury Park to Whitestone Pomd on
Hampstead Heath, the latter being the highest point in London. Detailed
analysis may well produce another answer but finding the relavant data
is tedious! Also, routes extending outside the Boroughs may well go higher.

Peter Lawrence

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Which bus has the steepest climb?
 

On 22/05/2016 20:27, Peter Lawrence wrote:
On 22/05/2016 13:43, Offramp wrote:
A while ago I got on a bus which went to Mill Hill East. It went up
and up and up and up.

But which bus route has the highest vertical climb?


As a first guess, route 210 from Finsbury Park to Whitestone Pomd on
Hampstead Heath, the latter being the highest point in London. Detailed
analysis may well produce another answer but finding the relavant data
is tedious! Also, routes extending outside the Boroughs may well go
higher.


I am not sure if the question is about the highest (as per the text) or
steepest (as per title); or indeed about height change over the route.
But yes, if we can include routes extending beyond Greater London I
think the 246 easily beats the 210 on absolute height. It reaches
c.240m at the the border with Kent and a bit more as it goes on up
Westerham Hill.

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Which bus has the steepest climb?
 

Peter Lawrence wrote on 22 May 2016 at 20:27 ...
On 22/05/2016 13:43, Offramp wrote:
A while ago I got on a bus which went to Mill Hill East. It went up and up and up and up.

But which bus route has the highest vertical climb?


As a first guess, route 210 from Finsbury Park to Whitestone Pomd on
Hampstead Heath, the latter being the highest point in London. Detailed
analysis may well produce another answer but finding the relavant data
is tedious! Also, routes extending outside the Boroughs may well go higher.

Whitestone Pond on Hampstead Heath may have been the highest point in
the old LCC area (though actually I think there is a higher point off
Spaniards Road a little to the north-east of the pond). Within Greater
London there are 7 higher points listed in Wikipedia* of which the
highest is Westerham Hill at 245m (804ft) AOD (Above Ordnance Datum,
i.e. above mean sea level).

That's the highest point of land. The highest point in Greater London is
the top of The Shard at about 314m AOD, but it doesn't have a bus service.

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ints_in_London

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Which bus has the steepest climb?
 

In uk.transport.london message ,
Mon, 23 May 2016 00:26:07, Richard J.
posted:

Whitestone Pond on Hampstead Heath may have been the highest point in
the old LCC area (though actually I think there is a higher point off
Spaniards Road a little to the north-east of the pond).

ISTM that if a pond were the highest natural point in an area, it would
soon go somewhere else.

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Which bus has the steepest climb?
 

On 2016\05\27 21:53, Dr J R Stockton wrote:
In uk.transport.london message ,
Mon, 23 May 2016 00:26:07, Richard J.
posted:

Whitestone Pond on Hampstead Heath may have been the highest point in
the old LCC area (though actually I think there is a higher point off
Spaniards Road a little to the north-east of the pond).

ISTM that if a pond were the highest natural point in an area, it would
soon go somewhere else.


The pond is man-made, and its man-made edge will stop the pond from
going anywhere else. ISTR Bell Moor, the first block of flats in East
Heath Road, has a blue plaque on it stating that it is built on the
exact highest point in the old LCC.

Which bus has the steepest climb?
 

On Sun, 22 May 2016 05:43:56 -0700 (PDT), Offramp wrote:

A while ago I got on a bus which went to Mill Hill East. It went up and up and up and up.

But which bus route has the highest vertical climb?

The road from Anerley to Crystal Palace Parade is one of the steepest. When I was a nipper the
trolley buses (route 654) used to take this in their stride. When they were abolished, my school
pals gleefully told me that the replacement motor buses (routes 154 and 157) conked out on the first
day.

Which bus has the steepest climb?
 

On Tuesday, 31 May 2016 09:14:25 UTC+1, Optimist wrote:
On Sun, 22 May 2016 05:43:56 -0700 (PDT), Offramp wrote:

A while ago I got on a bus which went to Mill Hill East. It went up and up and up and up.

But which bus route has the highest vertical climb?

The road from Anerley to Crystal Palace Parade is one of the steepest.

I used to often take the 249, which includes the steep climb past the Rookery, between Streatham and Crown Point. Some buses strain a bit going up that.

Which bus has the steepest climb?
 

In article ,
(Offramp) wrote:

On Tuesday, 31 May 2016 09:14:25 UTC+1, Optimist wrote:
On Sun, 22 May 2016 05:43:56 -0700 (PDT), Offramp
wrote:

A while ago I got on a bus which went to Mill Hill East. It went up and
up and up and up.

But which bus route has the highest vertical climb?

The road from Anerley to Crystal Palace Parade is one of the
steepest.

I used to often take the 249, which includes the steep climb past the
Rookery, between Streatham and Crown Point. Some buses strain a bit
going up that.

Dog Kennel Hill was famous for the special arrangements for the trams to
cope with the steep gradient. But there seem to be no special arrangements
since the trams were replaced by buses.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Which bus has the steepest climb?
 

In message , at 13:31:56
on Tue, 31 May 2016, remarked:
A while ago I got on a bus which went to Mill Hill East. It went up and
up and up and up.

But which bus route has the highest vertical climb?

The road from Anerley to Crystal Palace Parade is one of the
steepest.

I used to often take the 249, which includes the steep climb past the
Rookery, between Streatham and Crown Point. Some buses strain a bit
going up that.

Dog Kennel Hill was famous for the special arrangements for the trams to
cope with the steep gradient. But there seem to be no special arrangements
since the trams were replaced by buses.

The steepest hills I've seen trams operating on are in Lisbon. Some of
them are simply amazing.
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Which bus has the steepest climb?
 

On Tue, 31 May 2016 13:31:56 -0500
wrote:
In article ,
(Offramp) wrote:

On Tuesday, 31 May 2016 09:14:25 UTC+1, Optimist wrote:
On Sun, 22 May 2016 05:43:56 -0700 (PDT), Offramp
wrote:

A while ago I got on a bus which went to Mill Hill East. It went up and
up and up and up.

But which bus route has the highest vertical climb?

The road from Anerley to Crystal Palace Parade is one of the
steepest.

I used to often take the 249, which includes the steep climb past the
Rookery, between Streatham and Crown Point. Some buses strain a bit
going up that.

Dog Kennel Hill was famous for the special arrangements for the trams to
cope with the steep gradient. But there seem to be no special arrangements
since the trams were replaced by buses.

Rubber tyres - steeper gradients. The fact that most city buses are underpowered
probably doesn't help but unlike trams they won't have any problems with
traction.

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Which bus has the steepest climb?
 

On Tue, 31 May 2016 21:19:41 +0100
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 13:31:56
on Tue, 31 May 2016, remarked:
A while ago I got on a bus which went to Mill Hill East. It went up and
up and up and up.

But which bus route has the highest vertical climb?

The road from Anerley to Crystal Palace Parade is one of the
steepest.

I used to often take the 249, which includes the steep climb past the
Rookery, between Streatham and Crown Point. Some buses strain a bit
going up that.

Dog Kennel Hill was famous for the special arrangements for the trams to
cope with the steep gradient. But there seem to be no special arrangements
since the trams were replaced by buses.

The steepest hills I've seen trams operating on are in Lisbon. Some of
them are simply amazing.

There was a tram in Italy - might have been Genoa, too lazy to google - that
I think Portilo went on that required a push up a hill by a cable driven
donkey beause it was so steep.

--
Spud

Which bus has the steepest climb?
 

On 01/06/2016 09:19, d wrote:
a cable driven
donkey

The mind boggles...

Which bus has the steepest climb?
 

On Wed, 1 Jun 2016 09:25:55 +0100
Someone Somewhere wrote:
On 01/06/2016 09:19, d wrote:
a cable driven
donkey

The mind boggles...

:o)

Turns out its not Genoa but Trieste:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trieste-Opicina_tramway

Thats a very long cable pulling a lot of weight up a very steep hill. Not sure
I'd be too happy going on it tbh. Wonder if the wheels have enough grip to
hold everything in place long enough for everyone to get out if the cable fails.

--
Spud

Which bus has the steepest climb?
 

On 01/06/2016 10:03, d wrote:
On Wed, 1 Jun 2016 09:25:55 +0100
Someone Somewhere wrote:
On 01/06/2016 09:19, d wrote:
a cable driven
donkey

The mind boggles...

:o)

Turns out its not Genoa but Trieste:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trieste-Opicina_tramway

Thats a very long cable pulling a lot of weight up a very steep hill. Not sure
I'd be too happy going on it tbh. Wonder if the wheels have enough grip to
hold everything in place long enough for everyone to get out if the cable fails.

--
Spud

Aha - I was thinking of equus africanus assinus, aka the common donkey,
with some sort of rope and harness arrangement dragging the tram up a
steep hill.

Turns out I've made a bit of an ass of myself...

Which bus has the steepest climb?
 

On 2016\06\01 11:27, Someone Somewhere wrote:
On 01/06/2016 10:03, d wrote:
On Wed, 1 Jun 2016 09:25:55 +0100
Someone Somewhere wrote:
On 01/06/2016 09:19, d wrote:
a cable driven
donkey

The mind boggles...

:o)

Turns out its not Genoa but Trieste:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trieste-Opicina_tramway


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOJz_aeN9bA

Which bus has the steepest climb?
 

On 01/06/2016 11:31, Basil Jet wrote:
On 2016\06\01 11:27, Someone Somewhere wrote:
On 01/06/2016 10:03, d wrote:
On Wed, 1 Jun 2016 09:25:55 +0100
Someone Somewhere wrote:
On 01/06/2016 09:19, d wrote:
a cable driven
donkey

The mind boggles...

:o)

Turns out its not Genoa but Trieste:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trieste-Opicina_tramway


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOJz_aeN9bA

Wouldn't filming it descending be more interesting?

Which bus has the steepest climb?
 

On 01/06/2016 09:19, d wrote:

There was a tram in Italy - might have been Genoa, too lazy to google - that
I think Portilo went on that required a push up a hill by a cable driven
donkey beause it was so steep.

Sounds like Trieste.


--
Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK

Which bus has the steepest climb?
 

On Thu, 02 Jun 2016 07:47:40 +0100
wrote:
A descending tram pushed on the above ground dummy while the counter
weight in its tunnel was raised up the incline. When the tram
ascended the system then assisted the tram back up.

Looks pretty complex to maintain. Odd place to put a buffer stop in that
picture - on a steep hill.

--
Spud

Which bus has the steepest climb?
 

On 2016-06-02, d wrote:
On Thu, 02 Jun 2016 07:47:40 +0100
wrote:
A descending tram pushed on the above ground dummy while the counter
weight in its tunnel was raised up the incline. When the tram
ascended the system then assisted the tram back up.

Looks pretty complex to maintain. Odd place to put a buffer stop in that
picture - on a steep hill.

Go through the buffer stop, tram will end up in the harbour, so not an
odd place at all.

Eric
--
ms fnd in a lbry

Which bus has the steepest climb?
 

214 or W5, I would imagine.

Which bus has the steepest climb?
 

On 31.05.16 21:19, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 13:31:56
on Tue, 31 May 2016, remarked:
A while ago I got on a bus which went to Mill Hill East. It went
up and
up and up and up.

But which bus route has the highest vertical climb?

The road from Anerley to Crystal Palace Parade is one of the
steepest.

I used to often take the 249, which includes the steep climb past the
Rookery, between Streatham and Crown Point. Some buses strain a bit
going up that.

Dog Kennel Hill was famous for the special arrangements for the trams to
cope with the steep gradient. But there seem to be no special
arrangements
since the trams were replaced by buses.

The steepest hills I've seen trams operating on are in Lisbon. Some of
them are simply amazing.
Those are essentially fuiculars, are they not?

Has anybody even been on Tram Opicina, in Trieste?

Which bus has the steepest climb?
 

On 04/06/2016 17:27, wrote:
On 31.05.16 21:19, Roland Perry wrote

The steepest hills I've seen trams operating on are in Lisbon. Some of
them are simply amazing.
Those are essentially fuiculars, are they not?


Well they have what are essentially funiculars, but they also have
normal trams which seem to manage gradiants that you would not expect.

Which bus has the steepest climb?
 

On 04/06/2016 17:27, wrote:

Has anybody even been on Tram Opicina, in Trieste?

Yes.

(otherwise it would have closed down years ago, etc etc)
--
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Which bus has the steepest climb?
 

On 05.06.16 9:04, Someone Somewhere wrote:
On 04/06/2016 17:27, wrote:
On 31.05.16 21:19, Roland Perry wrote

The steepest hills I've seen trams operating on are in Lisbon. Some of
them are simply amazing.
Those are essentially fuiculars, are they not?


Well they have what are essentially funiculars, but they also have
normal trams which seem to manage gradiants that you would not expect.

Must visit there at some point as people say that Lisbon is indeed a
great town.

Which bus has the steepest climb?
 

In article , () wrote:

On 05.06.16 9:04, Someone Somewhere wrote:
On 04/06/2016 17:27, wrote:
On 31.05.16 21:19, Roland Perry wrote

The steepest hills I've seen trams operating on are in Lisbon. Some of
them are simply amazing.

Those are essentially fuiculars, are they not?

Well they have what are essentially funiculars, but they also have
normal trams which seem to manage gradiants that you would not expect.

Must visit there at some point as people say that Lisbon is indeed a
great town.

Seconded. I've been, but many years ago. I should go again.

--
Colin Rosenstiel