https://twitter.com/networkrailPR/st...14804606894082

Ouch!

On Thursday, 16 June 2016 19:59:33 UTC+1, Peter Able wrote:
https://twitter.com/networkrailPR/st...14804606894082

Ouch!

A tad more than 'ouch!!' And the reason why the trains went through a red light was .... ?? Shades of Thames Trains maybe.

So instead of brakes being applied the damn thing was derailed bringing down all of the power lines and closing all services for the rest of the day likely tomorrow morning.

Apparently even the Circle Line and H&C were stopped from running between Paddington and Hammersmith.

GWR staff on the Concourse did a fine job at Paddington dealing with thousands of pi$$ed off commuters etc. Many were told to go to Ealing Broadway where - they were informed - trains would be running to / from the West. BUT .... at Ealing Broadway there were NO trains and pax were told to go to Waterloo instead. Er - right hand and left hand etc.?

No alternative buses or taxis appear to have been arranged - even for those needing to catch flights at Heathrow. The HConn and Hex of course couldn't run since the power lines were down.

And as we all know the Bakerloo Line wasn't stopping at Paddington; and the road works in Praed Street ensured that buses were not stopping at Paddington either. Indeed the bus drivers (23, 27, 205, etc.) appear to be all refusing to stop anywhere near Paddington Station and are running non-stop between the Edgware Road end of Sussex Gardens and the far end of Eastbourne Terrace.

So all in all one huge chaos from right hands and left hands not knowing what the h*ll was going on - Network Rail, GWR, Heathrow - Hex, T4L - buses, all clearly demonstrating utter incompetence at dealing with the situation. All par for the course.

And all due to a SPAD and a weird arrangement to derail a train rather than apply the brakes.

CJB

On Thursday, 16 June 2016 19:59:33 UTC+1, Peter Able wrote:
https://twitter.com/networkrailPR/st...14804606894082

Ouch!

More and pics he

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...oing-home.html

On Friday, 17 June 2016 00:21:45 UTC+1, CJB wrote:
On Thursday, 16 June 2016 19:59:33 UTC+1, Peter Able wrote:
https://twitter.com/networkrailPR/st...14804606894082

Ouch!

More and pics he

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...oing-home.html

No trains at Paddington due to a deliberate derailment after a driver passed a red signal - a SPAD incident; no buses / coaches / taxis laid on for passengers to Heathrow; no Bakerloo Line at Paddington due to planned engeering works for Crossrail; no buses at Paddington due to road works in Praed Street and no temporary bus stops between Sussex Gardens and Eastbourne Terrace with the drivers refusing to stop near the Station; and no contingency plans by anyone. Mostly owned by get rich quick foreigners. New Britain at its best - not.

On Thu, 16 Jun 2016 23:53:46 -0700 (PDT)
CJB wrote:
On Friday, 17 June 2016 00:21:45 UTC+1, CJB wrote:
On Thursday, 16 June 2016 19:59:33 UTC+1, Peter Able wrote:
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At least the catch points worked. Wonder if these were installed after the
Ladbroke grove crash?

It is typical of the UK though, that a derailment on one line on the far
side that is fouling nothing means the entire station is closed. It should
take little time to make sure any overhead structures are safe then allow
diesel trains to run.

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t its best - not.

Contingency plans? What are they then? I doubt they're part of the TOC contract.

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Spud

So is it the intention of these deliberate derailers, or catch points as those of us not in the press know them, to cause the train to smash into an overhead wire support with such force that it bends in two? What would be the result if the driver, who was presumably in the cab at the time, or passengers had been killed or seriously injured as a result?

Neill

On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 01:43:29 -0700 (PDT)
wrote:
So is it the intention of these deliberate derailers, or catch points as th=
ose of us not in the press know them, to cause the train to smash into an o=
verhead wire support with such force that it bends in two? What would be th=
e result if the driver, who was presumably in the cab at the time, or passe=
ngers had been killed or seriously injured as a result?

What would you have prefered, another head on crash into the path of an
intercity?

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Spud

In article ,
() wrote:

So is it the intention of these deliberate derailers, or catch points
as those of us not in the press know them, to cause the train to
smash into an overhead wire support with such force that it bends in
two? What would be the result if the driver, who was presumably in
the cab at the time, or passengers had been killed or seriously
injured as a result?

Is this another feature of the signalling design that gave us the Ladbroke
Grove crash? Looks like stupidity piled on stupidity.

How many other London Terminal approaches have derailers to handle SPADs?

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Colin Rosenstiel

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In article ,
() wrote:

So is it the intention of these deliberate derailers, or catch points
as those of us not in the press know them, to cause the train to
smash into an overhead wire support with such force that it bends in
two? What would be the result if the driver, who was presumably in
the cab at the time, or passengers had been killed or seriously
injured as a result?

Is this another feature of the signalling design that gave us the Ladbroke
Grove crash? Looks like stupidity piled on stupidity.

How many other London Terminal approaches have derailers to handle SPADs?

I asked a similar question a year or two back in relation to a set of catch
points that regularly cause chaos at Brighton station - the last time was 15
April 2015. There are a number of circumstances where trap points will be
provided, especially on the exits from yards or depots (or other lines)
where shunting takes place. A falling gradient to the main line might be
another candidate for trap points because TPWS won't help if a train is
running away due to brake failure.

AIUI this SPAD at Paddington was an ECS move, possibly from a carriage road
that is not used for passenger trains in service?

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DAS

"D A Stocks" wrote in message
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wrote in message
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In article ,
() wrote:

So is it the intention of these deliberate derailers, or catch points
as those of us not in the press know them, to cause the train to
smash into an overhead wire support with such force that it bends in
two? What would be the result if the driver, who was presumably in
the cab at the time, or passengers had been killed or seriously
injured as a result?

Is this another feature of the signalling design that gave us the
Ladbroke
Grove crash? Looks like stupidity piled on stupidity.

How many other London Terminal approaches have derailers to handle SPADs?

I asked a similar question a year or two back in relation to a set of
catch points that regularly cause chaos at Brighton station - the last
time was 15 April 2015. There are a number of circumstances where trap
points will be provided, especially on the exits from yards or depots (or
other lines) where shunting takes place. A falling gradient to the main
line might be another candidate for trap points because TPWS won't help if
a train is running away due to brake failure.

I wonder about the sanity of siting catch points so they derail a train into
an OHLE mast. Derail the train into anything else - preferably broadside-on
into a platform edge so the friction slows the train down fairly gently. Let
it even foul the line that it is joining, as long as the train isn't
derailed into the path of an adjacent line. But hitting an OHLE mast, with
the loss of power to all electric trains, seems stupid.

Why did the derailment cause *all* departures to be cancelled? Why couldn't
diesels continue to use any tracks that weren't fouled by the derailed
train, with only HEX having to be cancelled? Did the derailment happen at a
place where all the tracks were fouled by either the train or by the fallen
wires?

Do TOCs have disaster plans for turning trains at a nearby station that has
transport links? Ealing Broadway would have been good because it has Central
and District line links. And what about Reading? Were westbound trains
running from there for people who used the Waterloo-Ascot-Reading line?

I presume all other TOCs accepted tickets for journeys from Paddington over
any reasonable route to Ealing/Reading.