Will Brexit lead to the abandonment of Crossrail2 and Turning South London Orange?
 

On Thu, 30 Jun 2016 18:15:45 +0200
Wolfgang Schwanke wrote:
Roland Perry
wrote in :

In message , at 17:13:39 on Thu, 30 Jun
2016, Wolfgang Schwanke remarked:

Now that the entire population of the Middle East are no longer moving
to London

Brexit has no effect on migration from outside the EU.

It does, because it affects how many of the people camped at Sangette
(who are non-EU) get to the UK

They are illegal on both sides of the Channel already, and the UK has
its own immigration controls in place already. Brexit won't change
anything there. Something else is apparently not working, that won't be
fixed by leaving the EU.

Well hopefully once the law is re-adjusted and we no longer have to cowtow to
that ****ing human rights act then once these illegals are found they can be
booted out ASAP instead of parasite lawyers dragging the process out for years
with some variation on right to family life or BS a`bout being tortured if
they're sent back.

--
Spud

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On Thu, 30 Jun 2016 21:04:35 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
wrote:
On Thu, 30 Jun 2016 16:29:34 +0100
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 14:42:07 on Thu, 30 Jun
2016, d remarked:

I wonder how much it would cost to upgrade sections of the WCML so that
the pendilinos could actually do their design speed of 140mph?

Perhaps you should ask Network Rail, who spent ten years and 9bn failing
to do this within living memory.

Oh. Are there any sections that are 140mph ready?

No, not with the current signalling.

Where the hell did the 9 billion go , assuming that figure is correct?

--
Spud

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wrote:
On Thu, 30 Jun 2016 21:04:35 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
wrote:
On Thu, 30 Jun 2016 16:29:34 +0100
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 14:42:07 on Thu, 30 Jun
2016, d remarked:

I wonder how much it would cost to upgrade sections of the WCML so that
the pendilinos could actually do their design speed of 140mph?

Perhaps you should ask Network Rail, who spent ten years and 9bn failing
to do this within living memory.

Oh. Are there any sections that are 140mph ready?

No, not with the current signalling.

Where the hell did the 9 billion go , assuming that figure is correct?

http://www.railway-technology.com/projects/virgin/

Will Brexit lead to the abandonment of Crossrail2 and TurningSouth London Orange?
 

On 01/07/16 09:31, d wrote:
Well hopefully once the law is re-adjusted and we no longer have to cowtow to
that ****ing human rights act

Which parts of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights would you be
happy not to apply to yourself?

Ian

Will Brexit lead to the abandonment of Crossrail2 and Turning South London Orange?
 

"Martin Coffee" wrote in message
...
On 30/06/16 17:02, d wrote:
On Thu, 30 Jun 2016 16:31:41 +0100
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 17:13:39 on Thu, 30 Jun
2016, Wolfgang Schwanke remarked:

Now that the entire population of the Middle East are no longer moving
to London

Brexit has no effect on migration from outside the EU.

It does, because it affects how many of the people camped at Sangette
(who are non-EU) get to the UK, and even whether the Sangette camp will
eventually be relocated to somewhere on the Kent coast.

No reason it should. The le touquet agreement is nothing to do with the
EU.


I thought that Boris' opposite number in Calais announced that he was
going to charter a ship to bring them all to the UK?

look forward to him being slapped with a 5 grand fine for each one and
legally enforceable demands to take them back again at his own expense

tim

Will Brexit lead to the abandonment of Crossrail2 and Turning South London Orange?
 

"Wolfgang Schwanke" wrote in message
...
Roland Perry
wrote in :

In message , at 17:13:39 on Thu, 30 Jun
2016, Wolfgang Schwanke remarked:

Now that the entire population of the Middle East are no longer moving
to London

Brexit has no effect on migration from outside the EU.

It does, because it affects how many of the people camped at Sangette
(who are non-EU) get to the UK

They are illegal on both sides of the Channel already, and the UK has
its own immigration controls in place already. Brexit won't change
anything there. Something else is apparently not working, that won't be
fixed by leaving the EU.

agreed

but almost no-one voted to Leave because they thought it might solve the
problem of the camps at Calais.

tim

Will Brexit lead to the abandonment of Crossrail2 and Turning
 

On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 09:52:29 +0100
The Real Doctor wrote:
On 01/07/16 09:31, d wrote:
Well hopefully once the law is re-adjusted and we no longer have to cowtow to
that ****ing human rights act

Which parts of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights would you be
happy not to apply to yourself?

If I illegally entered another country and commited a crime I wouldn't expect
to be able use my family as an excuse to stay, nor would I expect a load of
made up rubbish about what would happen if I got sent back have any weight
in any deporation decision either.

--
Spud

Will Brexit lead to the abandonment of Crossrail2 and Turning
 

On 01/07/16 10:28, d wrote:
If I illegally entered another country and commited a crime I wouldn't expect
to be able use my family as an excuse to stay, nor would I expect a load of
made up rubbish about what would happen if I got sent back have any weight
in any deporation decision either.

What makes you think that any of that happens now?

Ian

Will Brexit lead to the abandonment of Crossrail2 and Turning
 

On 01/07/2016 10:47, The Real Doctor wrote:
On 01/07/16 10:28, d wrote:
If I illegally entered another country and commited a crime I wouldn't
expect
to be able use my family as an excuse to stay, nor would I expect a
load of
made up rubbish about what would happen if I got sent back have any
weight
in any deporation decision either.

What makes you think that any of that happens now?


He read it in the Sun…


--
Graeme Wall
This account not read.

Will Brexit lead to the abandonment of Crossrail2 and Turning South London Orange?
 

In message , at 09:58:59 on Fri, 1 Jul 2016,
tim... remarked:
They are illegal on both sides of the Channel already, and the UK has
its own immigration controls in place already. Brexit won't change
anything there. Something else is apparently not working, that won't be
fixed by leaving the EU.

agreed

but almost no-one voted to Leave because they thought it might solve
the problem of the camps at Calais.

So Farage's infamous poster had no effect at all? What a waste of his
money.
--
Roland Perry

Will Brexit lead to the abandonment of Crossrail2 and Turning
 

On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 11:00:27 +0100
Graeme Wall wrote:
On 01/07/2016 10:47, The Real Doctor wrote:
On 01/07/16 10:28, d wrote:
If I illegally entered another country and commited a crime I wouldn't
expect
to be able use my family as an excuse to stay, nor would I expect a
load of
made up rubbish about what would happen if I got sent back have any
weight
in any deporation decision either.

What makes you think that any of that happens now?


He read it in the Sun…

I assume the pair of you can use google?

--
Spud

Will Brexit lead to the abandonment of Crossrail2 and Turning
 

On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 11:57:30 +0200
Wolfgang Schwanke wrote:
wrote in :

On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 09:52:29 +0100
The Real Doctor wrote:
On 01/07/16 09:31, d wrote:
Well hopefully once the law is re-adjusted and we no longer have to
cowtow to that ****ing human rights act

Which parts of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights would you be
happy not to apply to yourself?

If I illegally entered another country and commited a crime I wouldn't
expect to be able use my family as an excuse to stay, nor would I
expect a load of made up rubbish about what would happen if I got sent
back have any weight in any deporation decision either.

None of that is a human right though.

Article 8 has been used more than a few times to prevent deportations.

--
Spud

Will Brexit lead to the abandonment of Crossrail2 and Turning South London Orange?
 

"Roland Perry" wrote in message
...
In message , at 09:58:59 on Fri, 1 Jul 2016,
tim... remarked:
They are illegal on both sides of the Channel already, and the UK has
its own immigration controls in place already. Brexit won't change
anything there. Something else is apparently not working, that won't be
fixed by leaving the EU.

agreed

but almost no-one voted to Leave because they thought it might solve the
problem of the camps at Calais.

So Farage's infamous poster had no effect at all? What a waste of his
money.

Which of Farage's posters said "Vote leave and the queues of people trying
to *illegally* enter Britain will disappear?"

Brexit is all about legal immigrants, the people queuing up at Calais are
illegals

tim

Will Brexit lead to the abandonment of Crossrail2 and Turning
 

"Wolfgang Schwanke" wrote in message
...
d wrote in :

On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 09:52:29 +0100
The Real Doctor wrote:
On 01/07/16 09:31, d wrote:
Well hopefully once the law is re-adjusted and we no longer have to
cowtow to that ****ing human rights act

Which parts of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights would you be
happy not to apply to yourself?

If I illegally entered another country and commited a crime I wouldn't
expect to be able use my family as an excuse to stay, nor would I
expect a load of made up rubbish about what would happen if I got sent
back have any weight in any deporation decision either.

None of that is a human right though.

you will be surprised, very surprised

tim

Will Brexit lead to the abandonment of Crossrail2 and Turning South London Orange?
 

In message , at 14:27:14 on Fri, 1 Jul 2016,
tim... remarked:
So Farage's infamous poster had no effect at all? What a waste of his
money.

Which of Farage's posters said "Vote leave and the queues of people
trying to *illegally* enter Britain will disappear?"

The one you claimed not to have seen.

Brexit is all about legal immigrants, the people queuing up at Calais
are illegals

Er, no. Brexit is also about (or so the leave voters were told) reducing
legal immigrants, as well as being able to come down harder on illegal
immigrants.
--
Roland Perry

Will Brexit lead to the abandonment of Crossrail2 and Turning
 

On 01/07/16 11:00, Graeme Wall wrote:
He read it in the Sun…

"Read"?

Ian

Will Brexit lead to the abandonment of Crossrail2 and Turning South London Orange?
 

On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 04:31:41PM +0100, Roland Perry wrote:

It does, because it affects how many of the people camped at Sangette
(who are non-EU) get to the UK, and even whether the Sangette camp will
eventually be relocated to somewhere on the Kent coast.

The reason that it's in Calais is that the people there want to be close
to the UK so as to make it easier to get to the UK.

In the hypothetical situation of the French just opening the gates and
letting them through, there would be no reason for them to want to stay
in Kent. And our government has a policy of dispersing migrants around
the country and not just requiring that they stay next to the port they
entered through.

It is therefore clear that any suggestion of "the jungle" being
replicated in Kent is, to be blunt, ********, unless it is populated by
British people desperate to flee to France.

--
David Cantrell | even more awesome than a panda-fur coat

Cum catapultae proscriptae erunt tum soli proscript catapultas habebunt

Will Brexit lead to the abandonment of Crossrail2 andTurning South London Orange?
 

Wolfgang Schwanke wrote:
"tim..."
wrote in :

Which of Farage's posters said "Vote leave and the queues of people
trying to *illegally* enter Britain will disappear?"

https://metrouk2.files.wordpress.com...8&h=498&crop=1

Brexit is all about legal immigrants,

Those would be from other EU countries.
Most of the people on the poster have brown skin and black hair,
some oriental faces among them, and someone wearing a fez or a turban.

They were mainly Syrian refugees crossing from Croatia into Slovenia,
hoping to get to Germany. With or without Brexit, they would not be allowed
to enter the UK.

Will Brexit lead to the abandonment of Crossrail2 and
 

On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 13:55:26 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
Wolfgang Schwanke wrote:
Those would be from other EU countries.
Most of the people on the poster have brown skin and black hair,
some oriental faces among them, and someone wearing a fez or a turban.

They were mainly Syrian refugees crossing from Croatia into Slovenia,
hoping to get to Germany. With or without Brexit, they would not be allowed
to enter the UK.

Until they got an EU passport.

--
Spud

Will Brexit lead to the abandonment of Crossrail2 and
 

wrote:
On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 13:55:26 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
Wolfgang Schwanke wrote:
Those would be from other EU countries.
Most of the people on the poster have brown skin and black hair,
some oriental faces among them, and someone wearing a fez or a turban.

They were mainly Syrian refugees crossing from Croatia into Slovenia,
hoping to get to Germany. With or without Brexit, they would not be allowed
to enter the UK.

Until they got an EU passport.

And how would they get one of those?

Will Brexit lead to the abandonment of Crossrail2 and Turning South London Orange?
 

In message , at 14:49:51
on Fri, 1 Jul 2016, David Cantrell remarked:
It does, because it affects how many of the people camped at Sangette
(who are non-EU) get to the UK, and even whether the Sangette camp will
eventually be relocated to somewhere on the Kent coast.

The reason that it's in Calais is that the people there want to be close
to the UK so as to make it easier to get to the UK.

In the hypothetical situation of the French just opening the gates and
letting them through, there would be no reason for them to want to stay
in Kent. And our government has a policy of dispersing migrants around
the country and not just requiring that they stay next to the port they
entered through.

It is therefore clear that any suggestion of "the jungle" being
replicated in Kent is, to be blunt, ********, unless it is populated by
British people desperate to flee to France.

If there were many thousands, I think they'd be detained in specific
locations. We have a precedent in Oakington (now closed).

Perhaps they wouldn't be in Kent, but there have been suggestions in the
past that ships might be used, and Kent is on the coast...
--
Roland Perry

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On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 08:30:17 +0000 (UTC), d put finger to
keyboard and typed:

On Thu, 30 Jun 2016 17:09:37 +0100
Martin Coffee wrote:

I thought that Boris' opposite number in Calais announced that he was
going to charter a ship to bring them all to the UK?

The mayor of calais seems to spend her life complaining about the UK. Perhaps
she should complain to her own government to do their damn job and process
these people instead of allowing mass vagrancy.

The Mayor of Calais has a valid argument that the Touquet agreement has
imposed a disproportional burden on her town as a result of France's
inability to intercept illegal migrants before they get there. It is not
difficult to have sympathy with her position.

However, the value to France as a whole of the agreement, and the fact that
Calais is just one of many Channel port towns implementing it, means that
it's unlikely to be unilaterally rescinded by France.

It is, though, a convenient bogeyman with which to threaten the UK,
particularly by French politicians who want to deflect attention from the
fact that the underlying problem is France's own inability to handle
illegal migrants.

Mark
--
Insert random witticism here
http://www.markgoodge.com

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On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 14:10:21 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
wrote:
On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 13:55:26 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
Wolfgang Schwanke wrote:
Those would be from other EU countries.
Most of the people on the poster have brown skin and black hair,
some oriental faces among them, and someone wearing a fez or a turban.

They were mainly Syrian refugees crossing from Croatia into Slovenia,
hoping to get to Germany. With or without Brexit, they would not be allowed
to enter the UK.

Until they got an EU passport.

And how would they get one of those?

Granted asylum in germany, granted citizenship, sorted.

--
Spud

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On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 10:47:16 +0000 (UTC), d put finger to
keyboard and typed:

On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 11:00:27 +0100
Graeme Wall wrote:
On 01/07/2016 10:47, The Real Doctor wrote:
On 01/07/16 10:28, d wrote:
If I illegally entered another country and commited a crime I wouldn't
expect
to be able use my family as an excuse to stay, nor would I expect a
load of
made up rubbish about what would happen if I got sent back have any
weight
in any deporation decision either.

What makes you think that any of that happens now?


He read it in the Sun…

I assume the pair of you can use google?

No, they're assuming that you can't.

Mark
--
Insert random witticism here
http://www.markgoodge.com

Will Brexit lead to the abandonment of Crossrail2 and Turning
 

On Fri, 01 Jul 2016 15:42:29 +0100
Mark Goodge wrote:
On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 10:47:16 +0000 (UTC), d put finger to
keyboard and typed:

On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 11:00:27 +0100
Graeme Wall wrote:
On 01/07/2016 10:47, The Real Doctor wrote:
On 01/07/16 10:28, d wrote:
If I illegally entered another country and commited a crime I wouldn't
expect
to be able use my family as an excuse to stay, nor would I expect a
load of
made up rubbish about what would happen if I got sent back have any
weight
in any deporation decision either.

What makes you think that any of that happens now?


He read it in the Sun…

I assume the pair of you can use google?

No, they're assuming that you can't.

Are they? Well, takes all kinds of stupid I suppose. If you and them take
a break from mouth breathing and licking windows at some point you could
always click on this.

http://www.letmegooglethat.com/?q=il...rted+article+8

You know what "click" means, I assume?

--
Spud

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wrote:
On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 14:10:21 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
wrote:
On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 13:55:26 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
Wolfgang Schwanke wrote:
Those would be from other EU countries.
Most of the people on the poster have brown skin and black hair,
some oriental faces among them, and someone wearing a fez or a turban.

They were mainly Syrian refugees crossing from Croatia into Slovenia,
hoping to get to Germany. With or without Brexit, they would not be allowed
to enter the UK.

Until they got an EU passport.

And how would they get one of those?

Granted asylum in germany, granted citizenship, sorted.

Even you must know it doesn't work that way.

Will Brexit lead to the abandonment of Crossrail2 and
 

On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 14:58:57 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
wrote:
On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 14:10:21 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
wrote:
On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 13:55:26 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
Wolfgang Schwanke wrote:
Those would be from other EU countries.
Most of the people on the poster have brown skin and black hair,
some oriental faces among them, and someone wearing a fez or a turban.

They were mainly Syrian refugees crossing from Croatia into Slovenia,
hoping to get to Germany. With or without Brexit, they would not be
allowed
to enter the UK.

Until they got an EU passport.

And how would they get one of those?

Granted asylum in germany, granted citizenship, sorted.

Even you must know it doesn't work that way.

Not straight away, it takes years. But it happens eventually.

--
Spud

Will Brexit lead to the abandonment of Crossrail2 and
 

In article , d () wrote:

On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 14:10:21 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
wrote:
On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 13:55:26 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
Wolfgang Schwanke wrote:
Those would be from other EU countries.
Most of the people on the poster have brown skin and black hair,
some oriental faces among them, and someone wearing a fez or a
turban.

They were mainly Syrian refugees crossing from Croatia into Slovenia,
hoping to get to Germany. With or without Brexit, they would not be
allowed to enter the UK.

Until they got an EU passport.

And how would they get one of those?

Granted asylum in germany, granted citizenship, sorted.

All of which takes time, even assuming people want to come here rather than
continue in welcoming Germany.

It is hard to convey quite how much my late parents, 1930s refugees from
Berlin, would be dismayed to find Germany to be more welcoming to refugees
than the UK. I find it hard enough.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

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On 01/07/2016 14:39, The Real Doctor wrote:
On 01/07/16 11:00, Graeme Wall wrote:
He read it in the Sun…

"Read"?


Well the Sun claims to have a reading age of 8.


--
Graeme Wall
This account not read.

Will Brexit lead to the abandonment of Crossrail2 and
 

On Fri, 01 Jul 2016 10:04:46 -0500
wrote:
In article , d () wrote:

On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 14:10:21 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
wrote:
On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 13:55:26 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
Wolfgang Schwanke wrote:
Those would be from other EU countries.
Most of the people on the poster have brown skin and black hair,
some oriental faces among them, and someone wearing a fez or a
turban.

They were mainly Syrian refugees crossing from Croatia into Slovenia,
hoping to get to Germany. With or without Brexit, they would not be
allowed to enter the UK.

Until they got an EU passport.

And how would they get one of those?

Granted asylum in germany, granted citizenship, sorted.

All of which takes time, even assuming people want to come here rather than
continue in welcoming Germany.

It is hard to convey quite how much my late parents, 1930s refugees from
Berlin, would be dismayed to find Germany to be more welcoming to refugees
than the UK. I find it hard enough.

Its hard to convey quite how sick I am of hearing these moral equivalence
stories based on what someones ancestors might have thought or felt. Its 2016,
not 1939 and I somehow doubt your parents were economic refugees.

--
Spud

Will Brexit lead to the abandonment of Crossrail2 and
 

In article , d () wrote:

On Fri, 01 Jul 2016 10:04:46 -0500
wrote:
In article , d () wrote:

On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 14:10:21 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
wrote:
On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 13:55:26 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
Wolfgang Schwanke wrote:
Those would be from other EU countries.
Most of the people on the poster have brown skin and black hair,
some oriental faces among them, and someone wearing a fez or a
turban.

They were mainly Syrian refugees crossing from Croatia into
Slovenia, hoping to get to Germany. With or without Brexit, they
would not be allowed to enter the UK.

Until they got an EU passport.

And how would they get one of those?

Granted asylum in germany, granted citizenship, sorted.

All of which takes time, even assuming people want to come here rather
than continue in welcoming Germany.

It is hard to convey quite how much my late parents, 1930s refugees from
Berlin, would be dismayed to find Germany to be more welcoming to
refugees than the UK. I find it hard enough.

Its hard to convey quite how sick I am of hearing these moral
equivalence stories based on what someones ancestors might have
thought or felt. Its 2016, not 1939 and I somehow doubt your parents
were economic refugees.

Nor are the Syrian you moron.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Will Brexit lead to the abandonment of Crossrail2 and
 

On 01/07/2016 16:34, wrote:
In article , d () wrote:

On Fri, 01 Jul 2016 10:04:46 -0500
wrote:
In article , d () wrote:

On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 14:10:21 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
wrote:
On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 13:55:26 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
Wolfgang Schwanke wrote:
Those would be from other EU countries.
Most of the people on the poster have brown skin and black hair,
some oriental faces among them, and someone wearing a fez or a
turban.

They were mainly Syrian refugees crossing from Croatia into
Slovenia, hoping to get to Germany. With or without Brexit, they
would not be allowed to enter the UK.

Until they got an EU passport.

And how would they get one of those?

Granted asylum in germany, granted citizenship, sorted.

All of which takes time, even assuming people want to come here rather
than continue in welcoming Germany.

It is hard to convey quite how much my late parents, 1930s refugees from
Berlin, would be dismayed to find Germany to be more welcoming to
refugees than the UK. I find it hard enough.

Its hard to convey quite how sick I am of hearing these moral
equivalence stories based on what someones ancestors might have
thought or felt. Its 2016, not 1939 and I somehow doubt your parents
were economic refugees.

Nor are the Syrian you moron.

Some surprisingly are and are taking advantage of the situation - now,
whether that is a handful or a significant percentage is a different
matter. Some who claim to be Syrians, also aren't.

The situation is never quite black and white.

Now who was it the other day insisting on more tolerance around here and
to avoid name calling?

Will Brexit lead to the abandonment of Crossrail2 and
 

wrote:
On Fri, 01 Jul 2016 10:04:46 -0500
wrote:
In article , d () wrote:

On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 14:10:21 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
wrote:
On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 13:55:26 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
Wolfgang Schwanke wrote:
Those would be from other EU countries.
Most of the people on the poster have brown skin and black hair,
some oriental faces among them, and someone wearing a fez or a
turban.

They were mainly Syrian refugees crossing from Croatia into Slovenia,
hoping to get to Germany. With or without Brexit, they would not be
allowed to enter the UK.

Until they got an EU passport.

And how would they get one of those?

Granted asylum in germany, granted citizenship, sorted.

All of which takes time, even assuming people want to come here rather than
continue in welcoming Germany.

It is hard to convey quite how much my late parents, 1930s refugees from
Berlin, would be dismayed to find Germany to be more welcoming to refugees
than the UK. I find it hard enough.

Its hard to convey quite how sick I am of hearing these moral equivalence
stories based on what someones ancestors might have thought or felt. Its 2016,
not 1939 and I somehow doubt your parents were economic refugees.

The gutter press in Britain in the 1930s didn't see it that way. Take a
look at [1], and for comparison, [2]. Plus ca change...

[1]
https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki...is_Country.jpg
[2]
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...n-t-enjoy.html

Robin

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wrote:
On Thu, 30 Jun 2016 18:15:45 +0200
Wolfgang Schwanke wrote:
Roland Perry
wrote in :

In message , at 17:13:39 on Thu, 30 Jun
2016, Wolfgang Schwanke remarked:

Now that the entire population of the Middle East are no longer moving
to London

Brexit has no effect on migration from outside the EU.

It does, because it affects how many of the people camped at Sangette
(who are non-EU) get to the UK

They are illegal on both sides of the Channel already, and the UK has
its own immigration controls in place already. Brexit won't change
anything there. Something else is apparently not working, that won't be
fixed by leaving the EU.

Well hopefully once the law is re-adjusted and we no longer have to cowtow to
that ****ing human rights act then once these illegals are found they can be
booted out ASAP instead of parasite lawyers dragging the process out for years
with some variation on right to family life or BS a`bout being tortured if
they're sent back.

The recent vote was to leave the EU, not the European Convention on Human
Rights, which is separate from the EU...

See https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euro...n_Human_Rights
--
Jeremy Double

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"Roland Perry" wrote in message
...
In message , at 14:27:14 on Fri, 1 Jul 2016,
tim... remarked:
So Farage's infamous poster had no effect at all? What a waste of his
money.

Which of Farage's posters said "Vote leave and the queues of people trying
to *illegally* enter Britain will disappear?"

The one you claimed not to have seen.

why do you doubt that claim?

Brexit is all about legal immigrants, the people queuing up at Calais are
illegals

Er, no. Brexit is also about (or so the leave voters were told) reducing
legal immigrants,

Yeah, that's what I said

as well as being able to come down harder on illegal immigrants.

Oh no it's not

tim

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"Wolfgang Schwanke" wrote in message
...
"tim..."
wrote in :

Which of Farage's posters said "Vote leave and the queues of people
trying to *illegally* enter Britain will disappear?"

https://metrouk2.files.wordpress.com...8&h=498&crop=1

Brexit is all about legal immigrants,

Those would be from other EU countries.
Most of the people on the poster have brown skin and black hair,
some oriental faces among them, and someone wearing a fez or a turban.

The claim was suggesting that they would get in via the back door of being
fast tracked for passports by other EU countries.

not that they would be allowed through the barriers at Calais

tim

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On 01/07/2016 14:40, Wolfgang Schwanke wrote:

Most of the people on the poster have brown skin and black hair,

This seems to be flagged up a lot. But if someone wanted to make an
equivalent poster showing (mostly?) white people to avoid discussion
focusing on skin colour rather than migration, where would they go?
AIUI, most people displaced from eastern Ukraine have gone elsewhere in
Ukraine or to Russia (do Crimean Tartars count as white in these
discussions?).

--
Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK

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In message , at 18:10:48 on Fri, 1 Jul 2016,
tim... remarked:

So Farage's infamous poster had no effect at all? What a waste of
his money.

Which of Farage's posters said "Vote leave and the queues of people
trying to *illegally* enter Britain will disappear?"

The one you claimed not to have seen.

why do you doubt that claim?

I don't doubt the claim, I'm just a bit surprised that someone who is
therefore so out of touch with current affairs feels his opinions should
be taken seriously.

Brexit is all about legal immigrants, the people queuing up at Calais
are illegals

Er, no. Brexit is also about (or so the leave voters were told)
reducing legal immigrants,

Yeah, that's what I said

as well as being able to come down harder on illegal immigrants.

Oh no it's not

See the poster dear Liza.
--
Roland Perry

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On 01/07/2016 21:28, Hils wrote:
On 30/06/16 18:21, Paul Corfield wrote:
On Tue, 28 Jun 2016 11:21:22 +0100, Basil Jet
wrote:

Now that the entire population of the Middle East are no longer moving
to London, are any major schemes about to be cancelled?

Good grief. :-(

Indeed. Most of the population of the Middle East are staying in the
Middle East. It's mostly Middle Eastern retards, criminals and feckless
who are moving to Europe.

So nobody fleeing for their lives in the face of murderous onslaughts by
Assad or IS then?

--
Graeme Wall
This account not read.

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Graeme Wall wrote:
On 01/07/2016 21:28, Hils wrote:
On 30/06/16 18:21, Paul Corfield wrote:
On Tue, 28 Jun 2016 11:21:22 +0100, Basil Jet
wrote:

Now that the entire population of the Middle East are no longer moving
to London, are any major schemes about to be cancelled?

Good grief. :-(

Indeed. Most of the population of the Middle East are staying in the
Middle East. It's mostly Middle Eastern retards, criminals and feckless
who are moving to Europe.

So nobody fleeing for their lives in the face of murderous onslaughts by
Assad or IS then?

I assume Hils is a supporter of Assad, as they appear to share many of the
same policies.