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Will Brexit lead to the abandonment of Crossrail2 andTurning South London Orange?
Charles Ellson wrote:
On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 18:34:45 +0100, "tim..." wrote: "David Walters" wrote in message ... On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 11:41:26 +0100, tim... wrote: Oh so the company that refurbishes antique mercury-based scientific instruments didn't have to close its operation because the EU banned the sale of these instruments, then? Do you have a source for that? The 2007 press release I've found says antiques are exmpted: http://www.europarl.europa.eu/sides/...070706IPR08897 Is there a more recent ban? No, there isn't the exception applies to items sold in their current state of working-ness (sorry can't find a real word for that) once they go wrong the rules forbid the mechanise from being repaired using historic components, they have to be left not working or repaired with a non-mercury based device. who the hell wants the latter in an antique device? There are plenty of antique items which collectors are happy to possess without using them for their original purpose. Do ****pot collectors usually insist on using their treasures ? Do collectors of Maori warclubs moan because they can't go down the high street and **** the locals with them ? LOL -- Jeremy Double |
Will Brexit lead to the abandonment of Crossrail2 and Turning South London Orange?
On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 08:32:19 +0100, Optimist
wrote: On Sun, 17 Jul 2016 23:55:32 +0100, Charles Ellson wrote: On Sat, 16 Jul 2016 12:14:51 +0100, Optimist wrote: On Sat, 16 Jul 2016 08:20:54 +0100, Roland Perry wrote: In message , at 15:49:33 on Fri, 15 Jul 2016, Optimist remarked: Then the shortfall should be paid by the UK treasury, and deducted from the amount paid to Brussels. It's not so simple. Countries are not rewarded with research participation based on their EU contributions. They are included because their universities are appropriate participants. We have the best EU universities and so were included disproportionately; now, knowing we will soon be gone, our universities are not considered for inclusion in new EU-funded projects, as their work may not be funded after 2018. Same answer - fund our OWN universities from the amount we pay in EU contributions. But the whole £350m(sic) has already been promised to the NHS, or was it Cornwall, or perhaps Wales. Our universities are world-class, so it would be foolish of the EU not to co-operate with us as they do with other non-EU countries. If they decide not to, well, we can co-operate with other countries instead, their loss not ours. Regarding NHS expenditure, our EU contributions currently exceed our rebates and grants from the EU by nearly £10billion a year (see section 9.9 of the "pink book" on the ONS website) so when we leave the elected government can decide to spend this as it sees fit, e.g. on the NHS. The money won't be spent on health in England, it will go into supporting further privatisation of the NHS. TTIP, which the EU wants to push through, will do that. The UK government could have chose to exclude the NHS from TTIP but didn't. They were also one of the driving forces behind TTIP so the EU may backtrack on it now. |
Will Brexit lead to the abandonment of Crossrail2 and Turning South London Orange?
On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 20:18:19 +0100, Roland Perry
wrote: In message , at 18:30:37 on Mon, 18 Jul 2016, tim... remarked: It's every much the same sort of thing: banning a commodity because it's harmful/unethical or whatever. There is a mile of difference between unethical and harmful, especially when in normal use the item isn't harmful at all, it's only harmful if it's abused. Ivory hunting is harmful to elephants. The reason I mentioned that one example (rather than say a pesticide) is that sufficiently old examples have grandfather rights. Which you might be suggesting doesn't apply to mercury instruments?? The grandfather rights to antique mercury based instruments apply to unrepaired ones (whether still working or otherwise). as soon as they (the mechanism) is newly repaired they have to follow the same rules as newly made, which means that their sale is banned. Cite? If true, I agree; but I've never come across a situation that a repaired grandfathered item is suddenly ungrandfathered. Advice such as https://www.gov.uk/government/upload...5/LIT_7498.pdf [Mercury in Measuring Devices-Guidance Note-November 2015 (Version 3)] refers to restrictions of sale of items to the general public not applying to - (a) measuring devices more than 50 years old on 3 October 2007; (b) barometers (except barometers within point (a)) until 3 October 2009. Whether or not one of those items has been repaired seems not to be considered. |
Will Brexit lead to the abandonment of Crossrail2 and Turning South London
On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 16:36:57 +0100, Neil Williams wrote:
On 2016-07-18 13:41:18 +0000, Optimist said: Look up the Laval case in Sweden. What, this? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laval_...arefo rbundet That appears to relate to whether a union could obstruct people being brought in for less money, not whether the law could restrict it. Neil The ECJ undermining workers' rights. |
Will Brexit lead to the abandonment of Crossrail2 and Turning South London Orange?
"Roland Perry" wrote in message ... In message , at 18:30:37 on Mon, 18 Jul 2016, tim... remarked: It's every much the same sort of thing: banning a commodity because it's harmful/unethical or whatever. There is a mile of difference between unethical and harmful, especially when in normal use the item isn't harmful at all, it's only harmful if it's abused. Ivory hunting is harmful to elephants. I was referring to the mercury instrument (I thought that was bleeding obvious) tim |
Will Brexit lead to the abandonment of Crossrail2 and Turning South London
wrote in message ... In article , (Neil Williams) wrote: On 2016-07-18 11:32:04 +0000, said: Ah! The old British Imperial arrogance! The EU has plenty of trading opportunities without the UK and can afford to be hard bon us as we can afford to be hard on them, nearly 10 times the size. I voted Remain, but even given that, if they impose *punitive* tariffs they are selfish idiots barely worse than a child throwing toys out of their pram. They won't impose tariffs. They will just refuse to accept British demands so we wont accept theirs then if they are as diplomatic as Boris Johnson and David Davis. Do you really think that politicians take their rhetoric into private meetings? It isn't just Boris and Dave who are outspoken on the campaign trail tim |
Will Brexit lead to the abandonment of Crossrail2 and Turning South London Orange?
In message , at 10:25:58 on Tue, 19 Jul
2016, tim... remarked: It's every much the same sort of thing: banning a commodity because it's harmful/unethical or whatever. There is a mile of difference between unethical and harmful, especially when in normal use the item isn't harmful at all, it's only harmful if it's abused. Ivory hunting is harmful to elephants. I was referring to the mercury instrument (I thought that was bleeding obvious) The problem with mercury is that even if not "abused" (whatever that means) it has a tendency to get split, and when it does the tiny droplets run everywhere and are very difficult to clean up. -- Roland Perry |
Will Brexit lead to the abandonment of Crossrail2 and Turning South London Orange?
"Roland Perry" wrote in message ... In message , at 10:25:58 on Tue, 19 Jul 2016, tim... remarked: It's every much the same sort of thing: banning a commodity because it's harmful/unethical or whatever. There is a mile of difference between unethical and harmful, especially when in normal use the item isn't harmful at all, it's only harmful if it's abused. Ivory hunting is harmful to elephants. I was referring to the mercury instrument (I thought that was bleeding obvious) The problem with mercury is that even if not "abused" (whatever that means) it has a tendency to get split, and when it does the tiny droplets run everywhere and are very difficult to clean up. thermometers are sealed units (I have no idea about barometers, but assume likewise) tim |
Will Brexit lead to the abandonment of Crossrail2 and TurningSouth London Orange?
On 19/07/2016 11:02, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 10:25:58 on Tue, 19 Jul 2016, tim... remarked: It's every much the same sort of thing: banning a commodity because it's harmful/unethical or whatever. There is a mile of difference between unethical and harmful, especially when in normal use the item isn't harmful at all, it's only harmful if it's abused. Ivory hunting is harmful to elephants. I was referring to the mercury instrument (I thought that was bleeding obvious) The problem with mercury is that even if not "abused" (whatever that means) it has a tendency to get split, and when it does the tiny droplets run everywhere and are very difficult to clean up. I can remember playing with blobs of mercury when I was a kid, great fun chasing them round the table.... Colin |
Will Brexit lead to the abandonment of Crossrail2 and Turning South London Orange?
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"tim..." wrote: thermometers are sealed units (I have no idea about barometers, but assume likewise) There may be sealed versions but the point about a mercury barometer is that it's influenced by atmospheric pressure and the most basic version is an open dish with a long tube immersed in it. I'd guess old versions are most likely to have mercury open to the atmosphere. Sam -- The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC005336. |
Will Brexit lead to the abandonment of Crossrail2 and Turning South London
In article , (tim...)
wrote: wrote in message ... In article , (Neil Williams) wrote: On 2016-07-18 11:32:04 +0000, said: Ah! The old British Imperial arrogance! The EU has plenty of trading opportunities without the UK and can afford to be hard bon us as we can afford to be hard on them, nearly 10 times the size. I voted Remain, but even given that, if they impose *punitive* tariffs they are selfish idiots barely worse than a child throwing toys out of their pram. They won't impose tariffs. They will just refuse to accept British demands so we wont accept theirs then So we lose. if they are as diplomatic as Boris Johnson and David Davis. Do you really think that politicians take their rhetoric into private meetings? It isn't just Boris and Dave who are outspoken on the campaign trail From the reported reactions to Boris, it would seem so. -- Colin Rosenstiel |
Will Brexit lead to the abandonment of Crossrail2 andTurning South London Orange?
tim... wrote:
"Roland Perry" wrote in message ... In message , at 10:25:58 on Tue, 19 Jul 2016, tim... remarked: It's every much the same sort of thing: banning a commodity because it's harmful/unethical or whatever. There is a mile of difference between unethical and harmful, especially when in normal use the item isn't harmful at all, it's only harmful if it's abused. Ivory hunting is harmful to elephants. I was referring to the mercury instrument (I thought that was bleeding obvious) The problem with mercury is that even if not "abused" (whatever that means) it has a tendency to get split, and when it does the tiny droplets run everywhere and are very difficult to clean up. thermometers are sealed units (I have no idea about barometers, but assume likewise) Barometers measure atmospheric pressure, so they have to be open to the atmosphere to do this. -- Jeremy Double |
Will Brexit lead to the abandonment of Crossrail2 and Turning South London Orange?
"Sam Wilson" wrote in message ... In article , "tim..." wrote: thermometers are sealed units (I have no idea about barometers, but assume likewise) There may be sealed versions but the point about a mercury barometer is that it's influenced by atmospheric pressure and the most basic version oh yes how silly of me :-( tim |
Will Brexit lead to the abandonment of Crossrail2 and Turning South London Orange?
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Will Brexit lead to the abandonment of Crossrail2 and TurningSouth London Orange?
On 18/07/2016 20:18, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 18:30:37 on Mon, 18 Jul 2016, tim... remarked: It's every much the same sort of thing: banning a commodity because it's harmful/unethical or whatever. There is a mile of difference between unethical and harmful, especially when in normal use the item isn't harmful at all, it's only harmful if it's abused. Ivory hunting is harmful to elephants. Not if you get it from a walrus. -- Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK |
Will Brexit lead to the abandonment of Crossrail2 andTurning South London Orange?
tim... wrote:
"Roland Perry" wrote in message ... The problem with mercury is that even if not "abused" (whatever that means) it has a tendency to get split, and when it does the tiny droplets run everywhere and are very difficult to clean up. thermometers are sealed units Until they get broken, like the one in my dad's greenhouse which I used to push the droplets around the wooden shelf with a long nail. (I have no idea about barometers, but assume likewise) The mercury column needs to be open to air pressure, but I guess there could be a sliding piston arrangement of some kind to achieve it. My dad has a large mercury-column barometer, which IIRC claims to be spillage-proof even if turned upside down accidentally during transport, so there must be a seal of some kind. Anna Noyd-Dryver |
Will Brexit lead to the abandonment of Crossrail2 and Turning South London Orange?
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19:13:42 on Tue, 19 Jul 2016, Arthur Figgis remarked: Ivory hunting is harmful to elephants. Not if you get it from a walrus. "The time has come," the Walrus said, "To talk of many things: Of shoes--and ships--and sealing-wax-- Of cabbages--and kings-- And why the sea is boiling hot-- And whether pigs have wings." -- Roland Perry |
Will Brexit lead to the abandonment of Crossrail2 and Turning South London Orange?
"JohnD" wrote in message ...
Forgetting about EFTA altogether and regressing to plain WTO arrangements really isn't a viable option either, for anyone with enough patience and interest see eg: http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode...sury-committee http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode...sury-committee ======================== I've refrained from commenting further in this thread because I think I've made my views abundantly clear already. But for anyone genuinely interested in the prospects, especially trade agreements etc, I would urge you to see the two Parliamentary committee videocasts I've linked to above. I think they'll only be on iPlayer for another week or two, so not too much time left. As far as I can judge, the panellists giving evidence in both sessions for chosen solely for their professional in-depth expertise and experience in relevant aspects of international law, trade negotiations and international agreements and seem as objective as one could ever hope for. There is no obvious sign that they're batting either for the Leave or Remain sides. Michael Dougan in particular (first session) seems to have a really detailed understanding of the legal aspects of the Realpolitik of post-Brexit solutions rather than the ideology. NB These are not gameshows or theatrical debates in the style of the Referendum debates, but 2-hour long in-depth sessions (but which you can obviously dip in and out of at will). But for anyone willing to spend the time watching, I think they'll prove quite revealing. |
Will Brexit lead to the abandonment of Crossrail2 and Turning South London
In article , (JohnD)
wrote: "JohnD" wrote in message ... Forgetting about EFTA altogether and regressing to plain WTO arrangements really isn't a viable option either, for anyone with enough patience and interest see eg: http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode...-treasury-comm ittee http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode...-treasury-comm ittee ======================== I've refrained from commenting further in this thread because I think I've made my views abundantly clear already. But for anyone genuinely interested in the prospects, especially trade agreements etc, I would urge you to see the two Parliamentary committee videocasts I've linked to above. I think they'll only be on iPlayer for another week or two, so not too much time left. As far as I can judge, the panellists giving evidence in both sessions for chosen solely for their professional in-depth expertise and experience in relevant aspects of international law, trade negotiations and international agreements and seem as objective as one could ever hope for. There is no obvious sign that they're batting either for the Leave or Remain sides. Michael Dougan in particular (first session) seems to have a really detailed understanding of the legal aspects of the Realpolitik of post-Brexit solutions rather than the ideology. NB These are not gameshows or theatrical debates in the style of the Referendum debates, but 2-hour long in-depth sessions (but which you can obviously dip in and out of at will). But for anyone willing to spend the time watching, I think they'll prove quite revealing. Did they lead to written Select Committee reports? They would give a more permanent record. -- Colin Rosenstiel |
Will Brexit lead to the abandonment of Crossrail2 and Turning South London
In message , at 01:41:12
on Thu, 21 Jul 2016, remarked: In article , (JohnD) wrote: "JohnD" wrote in message ... Forgetting about EFTA altogether and regressing to plain WTO arrangements really isn't a viable option either, for anyone with enough patience and interest see eg: http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode...-treasury-comm ittee http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode...-treasury-comm ittee ======================== I've refrained from commenting further in this thread because I think I've made my views abundantly clear already. But for anyone genuinely interested in the prospects, especially trade agreements etc, I would urge you to see the two Parliamentary committee videocasts I've linked to above. I think they'll only be on iPlayer for another week or two, so not too much time left. Treasury Committee webcasts are available at parliamentlive.tv dating back years (literally thousands of them). As far as I can judge, the panellists giving evidence in both sessions for chosen solely for their professional in-depth expertise and experience in relevant aspects of international law, trade negotiations and international agreements and seem as objective as one could ever hope for. There is no obvious sign that they're batting either for the Leave or Remain sides. Michael Dougan in particular (first session) seems to have a really detailed understanding of the legal aspects of the Realpolitik of post-Brexit solutions rather than the ideology. NB These are not gameshows or theatrical debates in the style of the Referendum debates, but 2-hour long in-depth sessions (but which you can obviously dip in and out of at will). But for anyone willing to spend the time watching, I think they'll prove quite revealing. Did they lead to written Select Committee reports? They would give a more permanent record. Formal minutes (not transcripts) are available of Treasury Committee Meetings back to 2005. -- Roland Perry |
Will Brexit lead to the abandonment of Crossrail2 and Turning South London Orange?
On Sun, 17 Jul 2016 15:01:25 -0000 (UTC), Anna Noyd-Dryver
wrote: Nobody wrote: On Sat, 16 Jul 2016 19:34:09 +0100, Graham Murray wrote: "tim..." writes: as the 5th largest economy in the world, with the second best range of universities in the world (and the best in Europe) with one of the top 5 destinations in the world that "elites" want to live in, why do you think that we wont easily be able to employ the world's best Prof X (of foreign university) applies for UK visa. Home Office: Sorry Prof X, we have filled our quota of workers of your category, and we do not consider you a special case. http://www.burnabynow.com/news/educa...eave-1.2297619 404. Interesting. Still launches for me... but I'm in Burnaby. Try again: http://www.burnabynow.com/news/education/it-s-home-and-i-don-t-want-to-leave-1.2297619 The City of Bby is the municipality immediately east of the City of Vancouver in Metro V. Dream on about a gondola up Burnaby Mountain from Production Way/University SkyTrain station to Simon Fraser University/UniverCity. The push is predicated by the 'success' (not) of the gondola in Portland, OR from the south end of Downtown to the Univsersity Hospital precinct. Incidentally, I've no idea where Burnaby is, but I've just voted in favour of a gondola up Burnaby Mountain :) Anna Noyd-Dryver |
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