On Wed, 13 Jul 2016 10:36:19 +0100
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 08:46:53 on Wed, 13 Jul
2016, d remarked:

If you've got a family and rent/mortgage to pay you can no longer
afford to have a job in construction (for example)

I thought plumbers were paid quite well.

I was talking more building sites. High paid blue collar jobs are probably
safe for now.

Round here, the work the locals have 'lost' is crop-picking.

Go into any shop and see how many english accents you hear behind the counter.
I visited dorset a couple of weeks back and was amazed to actually hear english
people working in Costa. Either the immigrants haven't made it down there yet
or the local rents & house proces are low enough to make it possible.

--
Spud

In message , at 10:56:06 on Wed, 13 Jul
2016, d remarked:
If you've got a family and rent/mortgage to pay you can no longer
afford to have a job in construction (for example)

I thought plumbers were paid quite well.

I was talking more building sites.

New buildings need plumbing too.

High paid blue collar jobs are probably safe for now.

Round here, the work the locals have 'lost' is crop-picking.

Go into any shop and see how many english accents you hear behind the counter.

Waitrose, Tesco and Sainsburys have entirely white English staff as far
as I can tell. Although the most usual language you'll hear from
customers, in Tesco at least, is Polish.

I visited dorset a couple of weeks back and was amazed to actually hear english
people working in Costa. Either the immigrants haven't made it down there yet
or the local rents & house proces are low enough to make it possible.

Pubs and coffee shops seem to be split between those who employ almost
entirely eastern Europeans, and those who employ almost entirely
English. It's striking enough that it has to be some sort of policy,
rather than just random.
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Roland Perry

On Wed, 13 Jul 2016 13:12:47 +0100
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 10:56:06 on Wed, 13 Jul
2016, d remarked:
If you've got a family and rent/mortgage to pay you can no longer
afford to have a job in construction (for example)

I thought plumbers were paid quite well.

I was talking more building sites.

New buildings need plumbing too.

You know what I mean. Digger operators, brickies, concrete layers etc.

Waitrose, Tesco and Sainsburys have entirely white English staff as far
as I can tell. Although the most usual language you'll hear from
customers, in Tesco at least, is Polish.

Probably depends on the locale.

Pubs and coffee shops seem to be split between those who employ almost
entirely eastern Europeans, and those who employ almost entirely
English. It's striking enough that it has to be some sort of policy,
rather than just random.

Could be, though it would have to be unofficial for obvious reasons.

--
Spud

In article , (Roland Perry)
wrote:

In message , at 08:46:53 on Wed, 13 Jul
2016, d remarked:

If you've got a family and rent/mortgage to pay you can no longer
afford to have a job in construction (for example)

I thought plumbers were paid quite well.

Round here, the work the locals have 'lost' is crop-picking.

To the extent that they still did the work. AFAICS most stopped long before
2004.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

In message , at 12:49:05 on Wed, 13 Jul
2016, d remarked:
If you've got a family and rent/mortgage to pay you can no longer
afford to have a job in construction (for example)

I thought plumbers were paid quite well.

I was talking more building sites.

New buildings need plumbing too.

You know what I mean. Digger operators, brickies, concrete layers etc.

But plumbers, electricians etc are also required.

Waitrose, Tesco and Sainsburys have entirely white English staff as far
as I can tell. Although the most usual language you'll hear from
customers, in Tesco at least, is Polish.

Probably depends on the locale.

Out in the fens.
--
Roland Perry

In message , at 09:23:39
on Wed, 13 Jul 2016, remarked:

Round here, the work the locals have 'lost' is crop-picking.

To the extent that they still did the work. AFAICS most stopped long before
2004.

No-one is stopping them from bidding for the work.
--
Roland Perry

In article , (Roland Perry)
wrote:

In message , at 10:56:06 on Wed, 13 Jul
2016, d remarked:
If you've got a family and rent/mortgage to pay you can no longer
afford to have a job in construction (for example)

I thought plumbers were paid quite well.

I was talking more building sites.

New buildings need plumbing too.

High paid blue collar jobs are probably safe for now.

Round here, the work the locals have 'lost' is crop-picking.

Go into any shop and see how many english accents you hear behind the
counter.

Waitrose, Tesco and Sainsburys have entirely white English staff as
far as I can tell. Although the most usual language you'll hear from
customers, in Tesco at least, is Polish.

I visited dorset a couple of weeks back and was amazed to actually hear
english people working in Costa. Either the immigrants haven't made it
down there yet or the local rents & house proces are low enough to make
it possible.

Pubs and coffee shops seem to be split between those who employ
almost entirely eastern Europeans, and those who employ almost
entirely English. It's striking enough that it has to be some sort of
policy, rather than just random.

In Ely maybe. Tesco Cambridge is more diverse, in staff, customers and
goods, than Bar Hill. I was told in Bar Hill when asking for some Polish
cooked meats there that "they don't do that demographic".

--
Colin Rosenstiel

In message , at 11:33:00
on Wed, 13 Jul 2016, remarked:

Waitrose, Tesco and Sainsburys have entirely white English staff as
far as I can tell. Although the most usual language you'll hear from
customers, in Tesco at least, is Polish.

In Ely maybe. Tesco Cambridge is more diverse, in staff, customers and
goods, than Bar Hill.

I don't doubt it. Cambridge is an ever expanding bubble quite divorced
from the real world.

I was told in Bar Hill when asking for some Polish
cooked meats there that "they don't do that demographic".

In Ely the Tesco only has canned/bottled/packaged-dry-goods in the
Polish aisle. You would probably have to go to one of the specialist
corner shops for fresh produce from Poland. And Aldi has a lot of
German-influenced (but still plastic packaged) produce.
--
Roland Perry

There isn't much crop-picking in London. Spud's point about
the costs of rent and mortgage is of major relevance to the
situation in London. The prices demanded by immigrants willing
to work on your house, garden, computer etc. will not finance
even the most frugal life style for more than a few weeks.

On Wed, 13 Jul 2016 18:05:15 +0100
Roland Perry wrote:
In Ely the Tesco only has canned/bottled/packaged-dry-goods in the
Polish aisle. You would probably have to go to one of the specialist
corner shops for fresh produce from Poland. And Aldi has a lot of
German-influenced (but still plastic packaged) produce.

The german stores, particularly Lidl remind me of UK supermarkets in the
1970s. Slightly shabby and with vacuum packed produce that looks about as
natural as an essex blonde.

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Spud